Uno Venova
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I don't think so, I try to reply back most of the time.I true man, you are a true bait and switch artist
Penny Arcade: the ugly, profitable details about Xbox Live dashboard ads
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MightyHedgehog
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Steam is special in that it isn't its host platform's only method of digital sale, unlike a console or handheld or iOS/Android mobile device. It doesn't have to inundate with ads from outside interests because it already assumes, with the browser running concurrently on the same computer screen, that you will link from within the storefront to relevant websites and have found, installed, and joined Steam in the first place that you are exposed to all of that marketing and chatter in the wider internet space. Steam is also run by Valve, a private company who doesn't need to ratchet up profit fast nor does it need the revenue stream as essentially as a massive public corporation does, just to operate. Steam is awesome. It's also not possible on other proprietary platforms that offer only the platform holder's store.
Isn't that the definition of an advertisement? It tells you there is something available that you can buy.
Audioboxer
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I take it it's not easy to block ads through DNS/router tricks? (although I'd assume that would leave ugly grey/blank squares).
MS are always going to be under the advertising microscope more often than Sony/Nintendo as it stands due to them charging you to really take advantage of the 360.
MS are always going to be under the advertising microscope more often than Sony/Nintendo as it stands due to them charging you to really take advantage of the 360.
Speedymanic
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those people are wrong. Promoting new content isn't advertising as most consider it to be.
So yeah, there are only two ads.
Speedymanic
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Promoting something new in your platform isn't advertising in the traditinal sense.
you're informing your userbase of new content, not trying to sell it to them.
BruiserBear
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I'm not even sure if you're for real at this point. Literally attempting to redefine what the definitions of words are.
Promoting is another way of saying advertising.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=promotion
pro·mo·tion
n.
1. The act of promoting or the fact of being promoted; advancement.
2. Encouragement of the progress, growth, or acceptance of something; furtherance.
3. Advertising; publicity.
I can understand people preferring LIVE because they simply prefer the service and that they don't care about ads or paying for P2P online gaming, because they like 360 exclusives and that's where most of their friends are. It's completely fair and it shouldn't be judged at all.
What I will never understand is seeing people go nuts defending and justifying MS' practices just because they think it's fair for them to do so or because it's a business and they should make money. That's one tough pill to swallow.
It's really sad to see people go out of their way to defend this kind of crap for all the wrong reasons.
What I will never understand is seeing people go nuts defending and justifying MS' practices just because they think it's fair for them to do so or because it's a business and they should make money. That's one tough pill to swallow.
It's really sad to see people go out of their way to defend this kind of crap for all the wrong reasons.
Good for Microsoft. It's just insane how much money they are making from the Xbox brand, with Live fees, ads and Kinect and game sales, and yet they don't seem to be giving back to the core gamer. They're content making the biggest return on investment as possible, and that's the bottom line why I don't like them.
You've avoided valid point before though, stuff that is kind of baffling that you skip over. Not always, but sometimes. My point is that you seem passionate about disproving something, yet you always highlight one specific side.
Like I know from threads that you do not have Live on principle, that I get. Yet, you show up in these threads like clockwork, just to put jabs and nothing more. Even some of the sarcastic remarks you make in this thread baffle me.
There are people with serious concerns in this thread, which are valid; the XBLA section is buried, there are too many ads, looks way to cluttered. Those people I understand, because they want the service to be better and find justification for the price.
Onion_Relish
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Are you daft? Why else would you promote something if not to sell it. Even if you want to obfuscate everything that's fine, but you're deluding yourself if you think Microsoft's "promotions" are anything other than advertisements
A fart by any other name would smell just as bad.
A fart by any other name would smell just as bad.
In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.
Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.
Haven't turned on my Xbox in a long time. It really looks like this now? Because that's indeed terrible.
Speedymanic
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Definitions change over time. They take on new meaning.
Yeah. In one case content providers are paying Microsoft to make their product visible on the dashboard to sell more in the other content providers are paying Microsoft to make their product visible on the dashboard to sell more.
No, of course not. I mean, it's in the name, right? It's different. Content related info blasts. Content is great, content that is related to information is great, information by itself is great, and it's a blast when it's quickly served. I fucking hate ads, don't get me wrong, they get you by feigning similarity between the object of your desires and the promoted product, say by curtailing the qualities of the desired object to an amount of information that is easily shared by the product, but content related info blasts? Give me more.
Joke post? BTW, nice edit.
Speedymanic
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Isn't that mlb window publicizing the availability of the mlb app?
So there's really only one ad.
So there's really only one ad.
Spot on. I agree with you.
XBox live works fine, the ads don't bother me and some actually alert me to new games or deals. Paying 3.50 a month (you all can get cards for 40 bucks) is not a problem for anyone. Taking a moral stand against what amounts to the price of a cup of coffee a month does not compute for me especially concerning a hobby that is very expensive. I just think gamers have become too entitled. Many want this or that for free, no ads, free dlc, etc. I always grew up with the words of the brilliant philosopher Rocky Balboa "If you want to dance, you have to pay the band."
Uno Venova
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Even though I don't have live I'm an Xbox owner and am affected by the poor look of the home screen, so I do like to show up yes. Definitely not true that I just show up to post jabs.
It's a tragedy he lost it.
Kazuma Kiryu
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it's a shame it's no longer there, because it's still true.
Are you saying the MLB panel is not an advertisement, or that it is the only advertisement? Both arguments would be wrong.
I know what you are trying to do, I will not take the bait. Let's leave it at this.
Liberty4all
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Some of you guys so adorable.
Where are your games? Oh right, you don't need those. That XBLA game you just bought? Well, good luck finding it under all that bullshit.
Here's what it used to be like:
And even the NXE was a few dashes away.
under the latest interface: where is your stuff exactly? Do you even know? (I wouldn't, I've barely even touched my Xbox360 since the new interface. Yes, it's somewhat faster in loading, but where the hell IS MY STUFF?
defending pre-Steve Jobs practices is adorable when it demonstrates the feeble, impressionable mind of a pre-teen or teenager. But it becomes even more adorable when you're an adult, reasoning on the level of a pre-teen.
I would love to have customers like you. I can do whatever the fuck I want, and you'll just swallow it. That's a good boy! That a good little puppy!
So Adorable.
I miss the old dash so much. And the pic above when compared with the new interface ... It really shows how much better we had it. The Old interface was designed for ease of use and gamers. The new interface has been designed to sell stuff.
Uno Venova
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...Honestly I was just defending myself, I have no idea what you thought i was doing.
Did you just badmouth content related info blasts?
Uno Venova
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Anyone know if those interactive ads (lol) are there yet? Or when they come?
grap3fruitman
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You were given today's definition of advertisement.
I'm not a telemarketer...this is a, uhm...courtesy call!
That's not a coupon book....it's an opportunity to get 50 cents off shake and bake. How convenient, play a little COD, get shake and bake. Gee golly.
Interactive ads? Those are consumer appreciation gameplay experiences TM. Jesus get it right.
You mean self-initiated sponsored interconnectedness boosters?
AdmiralSnackbar
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In case there's any confusion, that's what people are outraged about.
Yup, it's a disaster. The sky is falling.
And the worst part is that not only is the majority of the games tab a an ad but the other tabs are also 100% ads.
Don't have verizon fios? The TV tab is just a box telling you to get Verizon fios.
Dont pay for Hulu+, Netflix, MLB, MMA, Last fm, or Pandora(not necessarily paid services) ?
Then the Video, Music, and Apps tabs are all nearly worthless.
Uno Venova
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I'm not a telemarketer...this is a, uhm...courtesy call!
That's not a coupon book....it's an opportunity to get 50 cents off shake and bake. How convenient, play a little COD, get shake and bake. Gee golly.
Interactive ads? Those are consumer appreciation gameplay experiences TM. Jesus get it right.
You guys.
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Deleted member 81567
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So is the 720 gonna have games?
the blades were terrible the second they added more than 5 things to the marketplace.
anybody that looks back fondly on that mess is so full of shit
Makes sense.
ThisWreckage
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If you view Live as a premium service that is fine. So is HBO. But HBO doesn't bombard their subscribers with intrusive, annoying ads. To top things off, Microsoft had the nerve to raise prices. You say that the second Live isn't a paid service the service turns bad? I disagree. I think the moment Microsoft realized that they can charge whatever they want for Live the service is destined to get worse.
Liberty4all
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Oh I agree that the marketplace was shit.
The usability of the blade system though to find content you already owned is what I'm talking about.
Tell that to my cable provider.
Also: ITT people who haven't turned on their Xboxes in months complaining about ads they've only seen today.
ThisWreckage
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HBO has zero ads (other than for HBO shows) when you subscribe to it. Premium services are not supposed to have ads. Sony has it right. PSN is free, but if you're a PS+ member you aren't subjected to more ads for paying for the service. Why should the consumer be punished for paying?
AdmiralSnackbar
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I was under 18 when I first registered so the blades were ad free for me.
In fact I don't think I saw an ad until the blades were gone.
But according to this thread promoting content that is available on your service is also an ad. So all those spots for True Blood that I see between shows are ads.
Yeah? And...
Where are your games? Oh right, you don't need those. That XBLA game you just bought? Well, good luck finding it under all that bullshit.
Here's what it used to be like:
And even the NXE was a few dashes away.
under the latest interface: where is your stuff exactly? Do you even know? (I wouldn't, I've barely even touched my Xbox360 since the new interface. Yes, it's somewhat faster in loading, but where the hell IS MY STUFF?
You may have been more familiar with the Blades interface, but it was really no better in amount of steps required. Games wasn't the default blade (Xbox Live was) and it takes at least 4-5 button presses to navigate there and scroll down the list.
On the Metro dash:
- 1 button press (A) to launch disc based game
- 2 button presses (down + A) to open Quickplay section which is all recent games + apps
- Games section is 3-4 button presses away (scrolling past Social, Video, TV section I think?)
I don't know why people are nostalgic for blades interface. That was littered with ads too, slower, displayed far less information on-screen, etc.