Diprosalic
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i put ghotocol above TDKR and CA under.
The Dark Knight Rises |OT| The Legend Ends (Warning: Unmarked Spoilers Within)
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i put ghotocol above TDKR and CA under.
YoYo Switch
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Same. No idea if this will completely burn me out and make me lose all desire to see the new film. We'll see
brianjones
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yeah wth that movie sucked
Diprosalic
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i could argue that TDKR is exactly that but for the threads sake i won't.
The Elite
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so can we talk about the plot of TDK? i was watching the movie in bed last night and no matter how many times I watch the movie there are sections that leave me confused.
1.) when batman is standing on top of that skyscraper .. i guess he he listening to a radio broadcast of some sort by the joker? OK so by listening in on this he is able to determine the location of joker's next victim, or does joker actually reveal the location to him? once batman arrives at scene of victim, he finds two people dead at a kitchen table. apparently their names are harvey and dent. a bullet hole is found in the concrete of the room. batman "scans" the bullet or something and then brings the scan back to HQ and replicates the bullet hole? somehow he is then able to come up with some type of 3D rendering of the bullet and is also able to extract the finger print? WTF? he then matches the fingerprint to 4 possible people. he goes after the suspect that has an apartment building overlooking the scene of Commissioner Loeb's funeral procession?
2.) when batman finds this apt, he sees there are a few cops tied up and bound... apparently this is the apt of the psychotic guy from arkham? joker and this guy steal the cops clothes and one of them manages to shoot gordon. gordon takes a shot in the back, secret service style, but his wound is not fatal. gotham pd keeps the fate of gordon secret in order to "protect his family"? i don't understand the reasoning behind this.
3. anyway, dent interrogates the crazy dude who was working with the joker, learns from Bats that he is crazy and won't learn anything good from him. after speaking to Falcone or Marone (can't remember, it's Eric Roberts), Batman decides he can't be Batman anymore (WTF) because the Joker is just too crazy. I guess he figures he has made the world too crazy and he needs to step aside and let Gotham's White Knight take down the mob and the criminals himself (lawfully).
4.) bruce convinces dent to hold a presser where bruce will reveal to the world that he is actually the batman. instead dent reveals that he is batman, gotham pd take dent into custody and will transport him to MCU? by doing this, dent hopes that he can lure the joker and the rest of his cronies and catch him out in the open? OK, so there is a big showdown in the city, batman shows up. batman has a chance to basically kill the joker but he doesn't. the joker is ready to slice bats up in the streets but Gordon pops out and puts a shotgun to joker's head. the joker is taken to MCU but we learn later that this was joker's plan all along and he wanted to be captured! somehow the joker was also so prepared that he had Ramirez and other Gotham PD take both dent and rachel to separate locations. while in prison, the joker is also somehow able to plant a bomb inside one of the inmates' stomachs? how was he able to do this and when did he have time to do this?
5.) joker breaks out of MCU with lau and i guess gets back the mobs money. the mob boys meet joker and lau in front of all the money. joker calls into that TV show with the dude from Weird Science. the joker then tells everyone that if coleman reese isn't dead in 60 minutes then a hospital will blow up (likely gotham general). Bruce then wants to know if anyone in Gotham PD has any relatives admitted to Gotham General. why is this signficant? someone in the force was able to get the joker into the hospital? this plot point is totally lost on me. someone please explain!!!
1.) when batman is standing on top of that skyscraper .. i guess he he listening to a radio broadcast of some sort by the joker? OK so by listening in on this he is able to determine the location of joker's next victim, or does joker actually reveal the location to him? once batman arrives at scene of victim, he finds two people dead at a kitchen table. apparently their names are harvey and dent. a bullet hole is found in the concrete of the room. batman "scans" the bullet or something and then brings the scan back to HQ and replicates the bullet hole? somehow he is then able to come up with some type of 3D rendering of the bullet and is also able to extract the finger print? WTF? he then matches the fingerprint to 4 possible people. he goes after the suspect that has an apartment building overlooking the scene of Commissioner Loeb's funeral procession?
2.) when batman finds this apt, he sees there are a few cops tied up and bound... apparently this is the apt of the psychotic guy from arkham? joker and this guy steal the cops clothes and one of them manages to shoot gordon. gordon takes a shot in the back, secret service style, but his wound is not fatal. gotham pd keeps the fate of gordon secret in order to "protect his family"? i don't understand the reasoning behind this.
3. anyway, dent interrogates the crazy dude who was working with the joker, learns from Bats that he is crazy and won't learn anything good from him. after speaking to Falcone or Marone (can't remember, it's Eric Roberts), Batman decides he can't be Batman anymore (WTF) because the Joker is just too crazy. I guess he figures he has made the world too crazy and he needs to step aside and let Gotham's White Knight take down the mob and the criminals himself (lawfully).
4.) bruce convinces dent to hold a presser where bruce will reveal to the world that he is actually the batman. instead dent reveals that he is batman, gotham pd take dent into custody and will transport him to MCU? by doing this, dent hopes that he can lure the joker and the rest of his cronies and catch him out in the open? OK, so there is a big showdown in the city, batman shows up. batman has a chance to basically kill the joker but he doesn't. the joker is ready to slice bats up in the streets but Gordon pops out and puts a shotgun to joker's head. the joker is taken to MCU but we learn later that this was joker's plan all along and he wanted to be captured! somehow the joker was also so prepared that he had Ramirez and other Gotham PD take both dent and rachel to separate locations. while in prison, the joker is also somehow able to plant a bomb inside one of the inmates' stomachs? how was he able to do this and when did he have time to do this?
5.) joker breaks out of MCU with lau and i guess gets back the mobs money. the mob boys meet joker and lau in front of all the money. joker calls into that TV show with the dude from Weird Science. the joker then tells everyone that if coleman reese isn't dead in 60 minutes then a hospital will blow up (likely gotham general). Bruce then wants to know if anyone in Gotham PD has any relatives admitted to Gotham General. why is this signficant? someone in the force was able to get the joker into the hospital? this plot point is totally lost on me. someone please explain!!!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Spoilers do not wait for you to be ready!
I love Batman, he's my favorite fictional character. I didn't like either of the first two Nolan bat films, they have bad action direction and I constantly feel like they're patronizing me. Most of all the main character in Nolan's films is simply not Batman. Knowles's "emo Douche" remark is right on the money. That being said, Heath Ledger as the Joker was great and I understand why some people really love the Nolan bat films.
I saw the Dark Knight Rises a couple of hours ago and the Aint it Cool review is being kind, the film is a wretched piece of shit. Nolan reinforces his profound misunderstanding of the Batman/Bruce Wayne character at every turn while the rest of the movie is just painfully boring, insultingly stupid and drowned out by it's own monotonous score. Batman is wrong, Bane is wrong, Alfred is wrong, Gordon is wrong.... the whole film is wrong, and anybody who likes it doesn't really like Batman IMO. I'm thankful Nolan is moving on, I like all his other films just fine, but his bat stuff sucks.
I saw the Dark Knight Rises a couple of hours ago and the Aint it Cool review is being kind, the film is a wretched piece of shit. Nolan reinforces his profound misunderstanding of the Batman/Bruce Wayne character at every turn while the rest of the movie is just painfully boring, insultingly stupid and drowned out by it's own monotonous score. Batman is wrong, Bane is wrong, Alfred is wrong, Gordon is wrong.... the whole film is wrong, and anybody who likes it doesn't really like Batman IMO. I'm thankful Nolan is moving on, I like all his other films just fine, but his bat stuff sucks.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Anger does not change the fact that your antidepressants failed to act.
I don't know how you can say Alfred and Gordon are wrong, going by the first 2 films. I think they were spot-on.
I won't mention Batman because everyone has a different opinion on the character, but nolanbats is pretty consistent with the character IMO.
I won't mention Batman because everyone has a different opinion on the character, but nolanbats is pretty consistent with the character IMO.
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29692338&postcount=7320
Is this visible in the movie?
Guzim said:
Is this visible in the movie?
There have been numerous interpretations of Batman throughout the life of the character in the comics. There isn't just one definitive take on the character. For you to say that there is is misleading and disingeuous. You personally may not like this interpretation of the character, but that does not mean that Nolan doesn't get the character or that his interpretation isn't a valid one.
The Elite
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I'm going to spend two hours and forty-four minutes looking for this painting.
If the cops had family in the hospital they were likely to try to kill Reese to protect them. That is exactly what the young cop in Gordon's car tried to do.
The Joker is a meticulous planner and a massive hypocrite. The bomb in the guy's stomach was planted well before Joker was captured.
REMAINSILLY
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TONIGHT
The Elite
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You're right. But even in those varying comic book interpretations there are times when I find they get the characters absolutely wrong, despite knowing the character.
I dislike The Dark Knight Returns a great deal.
Why would you wanna know this? watch the movie, jeez.
and yes this is a spoiler, don't ask stuff like that in here please.
brandonh83
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Holy shit, really? So if I didn't think TDK's chase scene was good (I don't) then I'm going to be underwhelmed once again with Nolan's "action scenes?"
Damn that's... depressing. From the trailers I assumed that this was going to have much better action than TDK. Oh well.
If this is true, Nolan has created nothing short of a catastrophe, and the third movie curse still stands.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I'd figure it's a spoiler.
It's obvious she gets arrested. I'm not asking about particulars or that. Just the cartwheel. Like, is there actually a reason for it.
SlowRevolution
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it looks cool.
It's just his opinion.
Dude, go watch it.
I respect every opinion in this thread, but you shouldn't let any of them influence yours too much.
ShipTheCheese
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SMH @ this entire post.
planar1280
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Clearly looks like you went in predetermined with the notion that Nolan's Batman is not your kind of fav Batman. Not surprised you didnt like it
SCULLIBUNDO
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It's one of the stupidest things in the movie.
JB1981
1. in this I remember the joker said the location then batman replicates the - hole of the bullet in the wall - in his lab then fox re-engineer that one back, thus he could re-engineer the actual one with a potential finger print.
I don't believe it but it is a comicy scene.
3. he wanted to know the joker locations or connections at that time batman was still thinking that criminal mind is easy to understand and didn't bought this " some poeple just want to watch the world burn"
4. dent and brude didn't agree, dent bet that batman will save him for the last part of your question, nobody can tell when the joker had the time.
5.
who will protect Reese ? the cups, so you see in the next scene when he was with Gordian that cup that was with him was the one who wanted to kill him
that is why bruce was looking for the names of the cups this whole plot, the joker was trying to show gotham/batman that even the cups can loose their codes and morals.
1. in this I remember the joker said the location then batman replicates the - hole of the bullet in the wall - in his lab then fox re-engineer that one back, thus he could re-engineer the actual one with a potential finger print.
I don't believe it but it is a comicy scene.
3. he wanted to know the joker locations or connections at that time batman was still thinking that criminal mind is easy to understand and didn't bought this " some poeple just want to watch the world burn"
4. dent and brude didn't agree, dent bet that batman will save him for the last part of your question, nobody can tell when the joker had the time.
5.
who will protect Reese ? the cups, so you see in the next scene when he was with Gordian that cup that was with him was the one who wanted to kill him
that is why bruce was looking for the names of the cups this whole plot, the joker was trying to show gotham/batman that even the cups can loose their codes and morals.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
I didn't know that fucking happens, so you're spoiling others here not just yourself, thank you very much
brandonh83
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No one's opinion influences mine or prevents me from actually watching the movie. That's a fucking stupid thing to do.
Expendable.
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Glad to see everyone pouring out similar love for Captain America while I was asleep. I knew GAF would come through.
I'll say that Nolan's action in a large sense -- the ideas he is playing with, etc. -- is better in the TDKR, but like I said, nothing elicited the same type of reaction from me as that scene, seeing it in theaters, in IMAX.
Then again, I only saw TDKR in fake IMAX, so looking forward to rewatching.
I'll say that Nolan's action in a large sense -- the ideas he is playing with, etc. -- is better in the TDKR, but like I said, nothing elicited the same type of reaction from me as that scene, seeing it in theaters, in IMAX.
Then again, I only saw TDKR in fake IMAX, so looking forward to rewatching.
planar1280
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Seriously? Even im seeing it in real IMAX tonight
Batman wouldn't kill anyone by omission of action (even Ra's), wouldn't offer to quit being Batman because he wants to be with his girlfriend, and certainly wouldn't
quit being Batman and mope around his house for 8 years because the Joker killed her
The Elite
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There's a certain avatar you should avoid then.
Expendable.
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It was the only option available for this early screening. Lincoln Square IMAX here in NYC (the only one playing in true 70mm) is sold out for days, if I wanted to wait. Which I didn't.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Keep that shit out of this thread Sojgat you dumbass.
Superimposer
This is getting weirder all the time
Is this Selina Kyle thing in one of the trailers or something? Because I've watched all of them except Nokia. If it's in there then I don't mind too much
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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How much are they charging? Man I used to HATE paying the prices they charged at Lincoln Square, but the area is so nice and the theater is good too.
Expendable.
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I think it's up to $18-19 dollars, IIRC. Last film I saw there was Ghotocol. But then again, that wasn't 3D, which I'm sure makes a difference.
demosthenes
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Maybe go in with an open mind and you'll like what you see?
brianjones
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like people who dont care about comic books?
cause if so i guess i dont really like batman
brandonh83
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For me the chase in TDK was pretty boring. They flip a truck and Batman flips the Batpod around on the side of the wall and there's shots of vehicles chasing other vehicles. The problem was that I felt zero sense of danger, it wasn't that long, it wasn't layered in the sense of say Steven Spielberg's chase sequences-- and while it may not be fair to compare, that's the school of action directing I personally cosign (aka the 80's).
It's not a bad action scene by any stretch, it just didn't grip me in ways that it probably should have but it had a couple of decent moments.
Of course, it all depends on whether or not I actually agree with Expendable but his words trouble me. My mind is always open and like I said on the last page, opinions don't influence mine.
ShipTheCheese
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And saying the nolan batman series is popular the same way twilight is.
His punishment must be more severe.
It was in the trailers.
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