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[outunderthestars]

When companies give material support to vile causes, you mean?

Where do you stop being outraged then? Almost everything you own was built in sweatshops, Every company that provides gasoline for your car are heavy supporters of the Republican Party. Microsoft has given over $100,000 to Mitt Romney this year. Hell, even Urban Outfitters CEO donated large sums of money to Rick Santorum.


Look at any company long enough and you'll find something you don't like about them.

 

[Spasm]

The most surprising thing about this thread, is that people actually like their chicken sandwich. The chicken is dry, the bun is dry. Hell, even the lettuce and pickle are dry. The chicken strips however... homerdrool.gif

 

[Derrick01]

Who the hell actually likes bragging about stuff like this? Great job, you look like an ass!

I don't get it

I won't lie this thread is making me really crave some right now. The only thing stopping me is the closest one is in the city 40 minutes away. But damn I'm hungry.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Look at any company long enough and you'll find something you don't like about them.

Ha, another one who thinks it is fair to compare hidden secrets with public statements.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

The most surprising thing about this thread, is that people actually like their chicken sandwich. The chicken is dry, the bun is dry. Hell, even the lettuce and pickle are dry. The chicken strips however... homerdrool.gif

Those are good, and don't forget the milkshake! I've found the spicy one with cheese makes up for any dry issues.

 

[Acerac]

They would never advocate such a thing that would go against basic christian principles

We all understand that. We're just curious how much people are willing to gloss over for their tasty chicken.

So would you?

Should I removed the quotes from my old post? Prolly doesn't matter, I doubt you'll reply either.

 

[Yasae]

"Someday somebody's gonna make you wanna gobble up a waffle fry.
But no, don't you know Chick-Fil-A say you make the baby Jesus cry~"

Needs the proper reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM

 

[Stumpokapow]

Where do you stop being outraged then? Almost everything you own was built in sweatshops, Every company that provides gasoline for your car are heavy supporters of the Republican Party. Microsoft has given over $100,000 to Mitt Romney this year. Hell, even Urban Outfitters CEO donated large sums of money to Rick Santorum.

Look at any company long enough and you'll find something you don't like about them.

Okay, and this company happens to be exceptionally bad amongst all of them because of how brazenly they wear their hurtful values on their sleeves, and exceptionally easy to boycott because they don't actually make a good product and they have enormous amounts of competition?

Shit, man, if your house is messy, you pick a room and start with it. You don't say "Why am I starting with this one and not that one." Start somewhere, do the best you can until you're satisfied. Lots of people would pick a room that's easiest to clean and messiest to look at right now.

I personally think supporting companies which use third-world child labor is worse than supporting a company which keeps first-world couples from marrying. The children have no other life than working extremely long hours in horrible conditions. Though it is shitty first-world same sex couple cannot marry, they still have a decent first-world life where they can live together and have sex and still have some benefits. Oh, and they still have a ton of other freedoms.

I bet your computers parts were not put together under the best of conditions.

It's pretty reductionist to assume that companies have the same control over third-world labour conditions as they do over the values they actually espouse whole-heartedly. The Chinese labour problem is very complicated and there's not going to be an overnight solution. It's not as easy as multiplying wages by ten overnight.

But even then, let us imagine that Acer and ASUS made identical parts and ASUS proudly used amputee orphan slave labour and Acer paid employees a fair wage and supported development and social justice causes... You better believe I'd pick Acer. That's the situation here. None of their competitors (except maybe In-n-Out) would say anything like this or spend money on causes like this.

 

[Attackthebase]

I won't lie this thread is making me really crave some right now. The only thing stopping me is the closest one is in the city 40 minutes away. But damn I'm hungry.

I might pick up Chick-Fil-A tomorrow because of this thread and the outcry on Facebook. Mmmmmm, I'm actually excited to eat a spicy chicken sandwich.

Oh god, the milkshakes are too lovely.

 

[Leucrota]

Ha, another one who thinks it is fair to compare hidden secrets with public statements.

Hidden secrets are worse than public statements. At least then you can make an informed decision.

 

[Devolution]

Ha, another one who thinks it is fair to compare hidden secrets with public statements.

I hear it's hard to find fried chicken at places that aren't flaunting their gay hate.

 

[Sai-kun]

Where do you stop being outraged then? Almost everything you own was built in sweatshops, Every company that provides gasoline for your car are heavy supporters of the Republican Party. Microsoft has given over $100,000 to Mitt Romney this year. Hell, even Urban Outfitters CEO donated large sums of money to Rick Santorum.


Look at any company long enough and you'll find something you don't like about them.

I stopped buying things at UrbanOutfitters once I learned about this! I get my clothes elsewhere now.

 

[Hitokage]

I also don't want my money going to any asshole evangelical group operating in Africa encouraging nations like Uganda to make homosexuality punishable by death.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Hidden secrets are worse than public statements. At least then you can make an informed decision.

Are you for real?

You are looking at this from the wrong direction.

The point is not that we should be looking for secrets (which one may do if so inclined), but that this is in our face and thus one has to actively choose to ignore (or secretly celebrate).

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I might pick up Chick-Fil-A tomorrow because of this thread and the outcry on Facebook. Mmmmmm, I'm actually excited to eat a spicy chicken sandwich.

Oh god, the milkshakes are too lovely.

Cookies and cream one is awesome.

I stopped buying things at UrbanOutfitters once I learned about this! I get my clothes elsewhere now.

The fact you were buying there to begin with is more of issue! ;P

 

[ThLunarian]

Yeah, this is pretty unfortunate, but honestly, if you start boycotting every company that has policies that you find morally objectionable, you'll end up living on a farm powered by solar panels and building everything out of trees that you cut down yourself.

Also, it may be worth considering that Truett Cathy has contributed tens of millions of dollars toward foster homes and scholarships for underprivileged youths. Sure, that doesn't excuse him being a homophobe, but it does at least muddy the waters a little, I think.



On another note... someone on my Facebook friends list likes to use the argument that calling someone a bigot is just as hateful as a bigot using a racial slur. I'm not very good at arguing, so I can never come up with an argument against that line of reasoning that actually sounds good, even though intuitively I know that his argument is flawed. Does anyone have a good rebuttal to that argument?

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

I might pick up Chick-Fil-A tomorrow because of this thread and the outcry on Facebook. Mmmmmm, I'm actually excited to eat a spicy chicken sandwich.

Oh god, the milkshakes are too lovely.

I like how edgy this thread is.

 

[outunderthestars]

Okay, and this company happens to be exceptionally bad amongst all of them because of how brazenly they wear their hurtful values on their sleeves, and exceptionally easy to boycott because they don't actually make a good product and they have enormous amounts of competition?

Shit, man, if your house is messy, you pick a room and start with it. You don't say "Why am I starting with this one and not that one." Start somewhere, do the best you can until you're satisfied. Lots of people would pick a room that's easiest to clean and messiest to look at right now.

Again, you're only angry at this one because it's in the news. Go look at almost any company and you'll find some donation or policy that personally offends you.

I hope you never use a piece of printer paper, a Dixie cup, Brawny or Angel Soft paper, go to Coachella, eat at Waffle House or White Castle, wear New Balance shoes, go to Gold's Gym, see a movie at a Regal Cinema, shop at Target, Urban Outfitters, and Walmart, or watch a Galaxy, Lakers, Magic or Kings game, or stay at a Marriott hotel as every single one of them have donated money to extreme right wing political groups that are fighting to oppress gays, women, and roll back environmental regulations.

 

[Gotchaye]

Hidden secrets are worse than public statements. At least then you can make an informed decision.

Sure. But the problem is that you don't know who has the hidden secrets or what the hidden secrets are. That's why we call them that. You can't choose to patronize a business which makes its wrongdoing public in favor of a business which hides its wrongdoing because you don't know which business is hiding more wrongdoing.

Chick-Fil-A does immoral things. They've acknowledged that, and are unapologetic. Maybe they do other immoral things that they're not talking about. Maybe Wendy's does immoral things that they're not talking about. It makes zero sense to go to Chick-Fil-A instead of Wendy's on the grounds that Wendy's is probably doing more wrong stuff that they're not talking about because you really don't know what either one is doing. Possibly, Wendy's is also giving to anti-gay causes, but is being secretive about it. That's about the only thing it could be keeping secret that we know Chick-Fil-A isn't also doing secretly (because it's doing it brazenly). Possibly I would go to Chick-Fil-A over Wendy's if I knew for a fact that Wendy's was doing the same stuff but wasn't copping to it, but that's a bizarre case, and really I'd probably just go to a third place.

 

[KingK]

I've never eaten there before, and once I heard about their stance on this I decided to avoid the place and make sure I never eat there in the future.

Also, the fuck is up with some of the responses in this thread?

 

[Gentleman Jack]

On another note... someone on my Facebook friends list likes to use the argument that calling someone a bigot is just as hateful as a bigot using a racial slur. I'm not very good at arguing, so I can never come up with an argument against that line of reasoning that actually sounds good, even though intuitively I know that his argument is flawed. Does anyone have a good rebuttal to that argument?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=40053100&postcount=591

 

[H.Protagonist]

We have this back and forth in the office all the time about Chik-Fil-A. I'm happy to ignore them in favor of less evil food outlets. It's armchair activism, but if I can at least not contribute to something bad, I will.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Sure. But the problem is that you don't know who has the hidden secrets or what the hidden secrets are. That's why we call them that. You can't choose to patronize a business which makes its wrongdoing public in favor of a business which hides its wrongdoing because you don't know which business is hiding more wrongdoing.

Chick-Fil-A does immoral things. They've acknowledged that, and are unapologetic. Maybe they do other immoral things that they're not talking about. Maybe Wendy's does immoral things that they're not talking about. It makes zero sense to go to Chick-Fil-A instead of Wendy's on the grounds that Wendy's is probably doing more wrong stuff that they're not talking about because you really don't know what either one is doing. Possibly, Wendy's is also giving to anti-gay causes, but is being secretive about it. That's about the only thing it could be keeping secret that we know Chick-Fil-A isn't also doing.

It's stunning that this had to be explained.

"Don't worry about that tumor on your face, because you probably have others hidden in there somewhere."

 

[cj_iwakura]

Couldn't a wide-spread protest from the likes of GLAAD or some such change their tune real fast? Just saying.

I like Chick-Fil-A and all, but come on, we shouldn't tolerate companies encouraging or supporting bigotry in this day and age.

 

[Devolution]

I've never eaten there before, and once I heard about their stance on this I decided to avoid the place and make sure I never eat there in the future.

Also, the fuck is up with some of the responses in this thread?

Chick Fil-A also puts some crack in its food so the more you partake of it the more you're inclined to defend the indefensible on their behalf.

 

[Hitokage]

Again, you're only angry at this one because it's in the news. Go look at almost any company and you'll find some donation or policy that personally offends you.

I hope you never use a piece of printer paper, a Dixie cup, Brawny or Angel Soft paper, go to Coachella, eat at Waffle House or White Castle, wear New Balance shoes, go to Gold's Gym, see a movie at a Regal Cinema, shop at Target, Urban Outfitters, and Walmart, or watch a Galaxy, Lakers, Magic or Kings game, or stay at a Marriott hotel as every single one of them have donated money to extreme right wing political groups that are fighting to oppress gays, women, and roll back environmental regulations.

To some extent, especially with environmental issues, corporations are on the wrong side because externalizing costs is what they do to maximize internal profit in the absence of proper regulation. The solution is to not vote for people who let them get away with it.

Homosexuality isn't even a profit issue.

 

[Acerac]

I might pick up Chick-Fil-A tomorrow because of this thread and the outcry on Facebook. Mmmmmm, I'm actually excited to eat a spicy chicken sandwich.

Oh god, the milkshakes are too lovely.

So because people are upset that Chick-Fil-A are anti gay, you will give them more business? Nothing the business did itself, solely because people voicing the fact that they're upset that they're anti gay.

Huh.

That's... pretty fucked up of you, not gonna lie. It's cool if you don't care that they're anti-gay, but if you're purposely going there and giving them business because people are voicing displeasure of this fact... I... should probably just stop reading this thread.

 

[Devolution]

Couldn't a wide-spread protest from the likes of GLAAD or some such change their tune real fast? Just saying.

I like Chick-Fil-A and all, but come on, we shouldn't tolerate companies encouraging or supporting bigotry in this day and age.

But fried chickun.

 

[Gotchaye]

On another note... someone on my Facebook friends list likes to use the argument that calling someone a bigot is just as hateful as a bigot using a racial slur. I'm not very good at arguing, so I can never come up with an argument against that line of reasoning that actually sounds good, even though intuitively I know that his argument is flawed. Does anyone have a good rebuttal to that argument?

It's like calling a lawfully-appointed executioner a murderer for executing a murderer. Or saying that a justice system kidnaps people because it takes them off the street and locks them up when they commit crimes. That's some pretty daft moral relativism; "bigot" is a normative term, and it matters if the person is actually doing wrong.

 

[outunderthestars]

Chick Fil-A also puts some crack in its food so the more you partake of it the more you're inclined to defend the indefensible on their behalf.

Are you going to stop using Windows and the xbox 360 now that you know that they have openly donated money to right wing political candidates who are anti-gay rights?

 

[Smellycat]

I am currently devouring 4 Chick Fil A strips

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

But fried chickun.

Is good.

I am currently devouring 4 Chick Fil A strips

Nice!

 

[Sai-kun]

So because people are upset that Chick-Fil-A are anti gay, you will give them more business? Nothing the business did itself, solely because people voicing the fact that they're upset that they're anti gay.

Huh.

That's... pretty fucked up of you, not gonna lie. It's cool if you don't care that they're anti-gay, but if you're purposely going there and giving them business because people are voicing displeasure of this fact... I... should probably just stop reading this thread.

I should have bailed out pages ago. I don't think I'll ever understand the kind of person that acts that way, even jokingly.

 

[Devolution]

Are you going to stop using Windows and the xbox 360 now that you know that they have openly donated money to right wing political candidates who are anti-gay rights?

Considering I have to utilize it for my job, nope. What's your excuse? Only fried chicken game in town?

 

[KingK]

We have this back and forth in the office all the time about Chik-Fil-A. I'm happy to ignore them in favor of less evil food outlets. It's armchair activism, but if I can at least not contribute to something bad, I will.

Exactly. It's not like there aren't other places to get chicken that don't publicly flaunt bigotry.

Chick Fil-A also puts some crack in its food so the more you partake of it the more you're inclined to defend the indefensible on their behalf.

That's got to be only explanation lol. I mean, I thought GAF in general was very supportive of gay rights, but there have been multiple replies in this thread of people saying they want to go get some just to spite others' outrage. It makes no sense.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Considering I have to utilize it for my job, nope. What's your excuse? Only fried chicken game in town?

Well you could try and find another job and not one that conflicts with your ethics.

 

[Count Dookkake]

That's got to be only explanation lol. I mean, I thought GAF in general was very supportive of gay rights, but there have been multiple replies in this thread of people saying they want to go get some just to spite others' outrage. It makes no sense.

They are just smart enough to avoid banning.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Are you going to stop using Windows and the xbox 360 now that you know that they have openly donated money to right wing political candidates who are anti-gay rights?

Your logic has swayed me I'm going to eat at chik fil a now, sorry gay people.

No wait, you're changing the subject because you're out of on topic things to say.

 

[this guy]

I don't get what the fuss is in this thread about their food. It's not even that good. My memory the the food from the handful of times I went over the past year was one of mediocrity. They get my business by virtue of convenience, and being marginally better than the competition in terms of taste. Only their service is worth talking about. It's like getting excited about going to McDonald's. Get it together rookies.

 

[Hitokage]

Your logic has swayed me I'm going to eat at chik fil a now, sorry gay people.

No wait, you're changing the subject because you're out of on topic things to say.

It's equivocation because he's just throwing around brands as if the story is exactly the same.

Microsoft as a company endorses gay marriage.

 

[cajunator]

I have a huge amount of choices in this city for a great chicken sandwich but I like Chik Fil A because its close by and they never fucked up my order before. ALso they happily will sell me a gallon of unsweetened tea for 4 bucks, which I am happy to pay as well. Oh and their shakes are fuckawesome. Basically, I dont buy food based on morality conflicts, I buy it because dammit Im hungry and its there.

 

[Attackthebase]

Cookies and cream one is awesome.

Done! That shall be my milkshake for tomorrow then.

So because people are upset that Chick-Fil-A are anti gay, you will give them more business? Nothing the business did itself, solely because people voicing the fact that they're upset that they're anti gay.

Huh.

That's... pretty fucked up of you, not gonna lie. It's cool if you don't care that they're anti-gay, but if you're purposely going there and giving them business because people are voicing displeasure of this fact... I... should probably just stop reading this thread.

I also haven't gone to Chick-Fil-A in a long while. The outcry reminded me that it's time to eat there. My primary reason for going is the greatness of its food (and its shakes).

 

[outunderthestars]

Considering I have to utilize it for my job, nope. What's your excuse? Only fried chicken game in town?

I don't eat there, as I don't really eat meat often, and when I do I generally only buy local.

I just think it is easy to look down at others for supporting a company you disagree with while willfully ignoring other companies that do the same thing.

Where is the outrage for Microsoft and Regal Cinemas?

It's equivocation because he's just throwing around brands as if the story is exactly the same.

Microsoft as a company endorses gay marriage.

Yet are donating large sums of cash to candidates who don't.

Your logic has swayed me I'm going to eat at chik fil a now, sorry gay people.

No wait, you're changing the subject because you're out of on topic things to say.

No, I consider it the same topic. A large number of companies you use donate large sums of money to organizations and causes you'd find offensive. I just don't understand how people rally around one, while willfully ignoring the others.

 

[Conciliator]

a corporate statement declaring that the purpose of Chick-Fil-A is “to glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us,”

Jesus, just...come on, fuck you.

Anyway I do like Chick-Fil-A but I don't eat much fast food so that's a pretty easy boycott for me. Imma go to Bojangles.

 

[Trey]

Seeing as how I don't eat at Chik-fil-a -- never have -- this thread primarily serves to remind me of the slight moral dilemma I go through every time I buy some kicks.

It's equivocation because he's just throwing around brands as if the story is exactly the same.

Microsoft as a company endorses gay marriage.

I thought the hang-up here was that Chik-fil-a donated to anti-gay charities/foundations, not that their company has an unfavorable belief.

 

[Acerac]

Are you going to stop using Windows and the xbox 360 now that you know that they have openly donated money to right wing political candidates who are anti-gay rights?

Given similar choices, yes, many people here will pick the less scummy option. This has been clearly stated many times.

I've never eaten there before, and once I heard about their stance on this I decided to avoid the place and make sure I never eat there in the future.

Also, the fuck is up with some of the responses in this thread?

This is easily the least gay friendly thread I have ever seen on GAF. Honestly this is the first thread I've read on GAF pertaining to gays that makes me uncomfortable hearing what others have to think.

 

[CornBurrito]

Just picked up some Chick Fil A man that smell is awesome!

FYI, anal sex with a man produces the exact same scent. Want to try?

 

[Crumpet Trumpet]

That's got to be only explanation lol. I mean, I thought GAF in general was very supportive of gay rights, but there have been multiple replies in this thread of people saying they want to go get some just to spite others' outrage. It makes no sense.

On the plus side, every bite they take of this sewage is one step closer to heart disease and death

 

[SnakeswithLasers]

mp

 

[Gotchaye]

Well you could try and find another job and not one that conflicts with your ethics.

I doubt many people are claiming that there's an unlimited obligation to avoid supporting immoral policies (apologies if Devolution was actually claiming that). The issue here is that it's actually really, really easy for most people to avoid Chick-Fil-A; it's not so much more convenient and tasty that it's worth patronizing despite this. Microsoft products are practically unavoidable without substantial sacrifice.

FYI, anal sex with a man produces the exact same scent. Want to try?

Holy crap. It all makes sense now.