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BANE KILLS UNCLE BEN
BATMAN DIES HIS HAIR.
BATMAN DIES HIS HAIR.
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Because she broke out of the womens prison in under 24 hours.
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LOL so you're saying TDK is better than a masterpiece.
That word is suddenly being thrown around flippantly lately.
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OH SO WHAT U SAYIN? THAT THE MEN'S PRISON IS OBVIOUSLY FOR THE MORE CUNNING AND STRONG PRISONERS?
DAMMIT DOLAN YOU SEXIST PIG
Well she was having coffee with him at the end, so I suspect she knew.
ryutaro's mama
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Anyone else feel like that Crane role as judge would have been for Heath's Joker had he survived?
Would have been incredible.
Would have been incredible.
For some reason? How about to break the wrist of the guy who was reaching out to grope her and to be freakin' Catwoman?
Anyone else feel like that Crane role as judge would have been for Heath's Joker had he survived?
Would have been incredible.
I thought the exact same thing.
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For some reason? How about to break the wrist of the guy who was reaching out to grope her and to be freakin' Catwoman?
I thought the exact same thing.
I was criticizing how ridiculous and fake it looked. His wrists didn't even twist. You see her hands clearly just slide around his wrists doing nothing and then it cuts before there is any reaction. It was fucking hilarious.
ryutaro's mama
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Speaking of which, just to give Alfred that moment, Bruce could have been dragging Selina to that cafe for months, hell, years at that exact time everyday.
"C'mon, Selina...today might be the day that Alfred shows up!"
FlutterPuffs
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She heard Bane calling him Bruce Wayne.
Afterwards she and Batman just flirts about it.
Anyone else feel like that Crane role as judge would have been for Heath's Joker had he survived?
Would have been incredible.
I knew Nolan said he'd planned to use Ledger again before he died, but I mean, how would you have even fit the Joker into this film? Him having a short bit-part would almost be an insult to the character and ledger's performance in 2. He's not like Crane, who's a B-List villain that you can use over and over again.
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You forgot the part where they shot at his feet like 30 times.
How many times did we have Good-guy-with-gun-to-his-head-in-impossible-situation then DEUS EX MACHINA comes to save the day. I can think of at least three off the top of my head:
- JGL with a gun to his head. Batman appears out of nowhere to mess up the guards
- Army of cops about to get blown away by the Tumblers. The Bat appears out of nowhere to mess them up
- Batman about to get blown away by Bane. Catwoman appears out of nowhere to mess Bane up.
I feel like there were a few others I can't think of right now. What's worse is every single time the bad guys took far too long to act. It was the same old "I'm going to kill you now!" I'm still kind of in shock that this was all able to pass through the script and filming and editing unnoticed by such an able-minded group of filmmakers.
- JGL with a gun to his head. Batman appears out of nowhere to mess up the guards
- Army of cops about to get blown away by the Tumblers. The Bat appears out of nowhere to mess them up
- Batman about to get blown away by Bane. Catwoman appears out of nowhere to mess Bane up.
I feel like there were a few others I can't think of right now. What's worse is every single time the bad guys took far too long to act. It was the same old "I'm going to kill you now!" I'm still kind of in shock that this was all able to pass through the script and filming and editing unnoticed by such an able-minded group of filmmakers.
Ah, fair enough. I didn't find it funny, just over the top!
Or he just kept track of Alfreds wereabouts / passport.
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Joker would have been the main villain again.
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Heard him called Bruce?
How about the part where she saw him get his ass beat, back broken, mask broken off and dragged out in a heap.
She was there for all of that.
Sooo stupid. But yes, she would have known by the latest when she traps Batman in the cage with Bane and Bane announces that Batman is Bruce Wayne.
Pretty much you either have him as the Big Bad (or one of two Big Bads) or just a short cameo, like a blink and you'll miss him type deal.
What is remarkably clear from his absence in TDKR is just how integral he was to the quality of TDK and the success of the 2nd (and presumably also the 3rd) film.
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Seriously, Catwoman is a piece of shit. And Batman loves her for it.
He gets betrayed by Catwoman, literally stabbed in the chest by the woman he thought he could trust with an atom bomb and doesn't learn a damn thing.
Women weaken legs!
He gets betrayed by Catwoman, literally stabbed in the chest by the woman he thought he could trust with an atom bomb and doesn't learn a damn thing.
Women weaken legs!
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....well if you want to get so bloody technical about it, then yeah. You're right.
I'm just saying she found out it was Bruce Wayne during the incident in the tunnel, after Bane called Batman by his real name. Not to mention the beat up, and broken mask.
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I re-watched Begins and TDK last night and it brought up a drawback to TDKR.
I realized that I didn't like how they handled Gotham City in Rises. In the first two, especially Batman Begins, they did an excellent job of creating Gotham City as its own entity. Sure, it was filmed mostly in Chicago, but it really didn't feel like Chicago. Wayne Tower, the "Narrows", and the elevated train system made it seem more like a fictional, dark city.
In TDKR, Gotham is essentially just New York City. They use extreme long shots of NYC that show the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building, as well as the construction of the new WTC. It felt like Spider-Man when Batman was standing on top of that bridge looking out over the NYC skyline.
It just felt like a departure from the previous films.
I don't think it is really deus ex machina when Batman saves helpless people from death in a Batman movie. That is sort of what is expected of him.
I realized that I didn't like how they handled Gotham City in Rises. In the first two, especially Batman Begins, they did an excellent job of creating Gotham City as its own entity. Sure, it was filmed mostly in Chicago, but it really didn't feel like Chicago. Wayne Tower, the "Narrows", and the elevated train system made it seem more like a fictional, dark city.
In TDKR, Gotham is essentially just New York City. They use extreme long shots of NYC that show the Chrysler Building and the Empire State Building, as well as the construction of the new WTC. It felt like Spider-Man when Batman was standing on top of that bridge looking out over the NYC skyline.
It just felt like a departure from the previous films.
I don't think it is really deus ex machina when Batman saves helpless people from death in a Batman movie. That is sort of what is expected of him.
ryutaro's mama
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I loved him handing out promotions to detective from his hospital bed.
I don't remember corny shit like this in TDK.
I'm sure that if I re-watch, I may find some of it though.
See but that wouldn't have been that great either.
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Re: Plot justifications. There are several unquantifiable romantic notions you have to deal with in this film, like how Blake "just knows" that Wayne is Batman by the look on his face, and how Wayne makes the jump in the pit because he "just believes". I guess I'm a sucker for stuff like that, so I didn't need a watertight reason as long as I understood Nolan's "romanticised intent".
I guess that's the reply I wanted to write earlier. If something is awesome, like a hummer-tank that spits out a motorcycle, I can suspend my disbelief. And to me, the idea that your life experience gives you the ability to know a person's secrets just by the look on their face, is pretty damn awesome.
I guess that's the reply I wanted to write earlier. If something is awesome, like a hummer-tank that spits out a motorcycle, I can suspend my disbelief. And to me, the idea that your life experience gives you the ability to know a person's secrets just by the look on their face, is pretty damn awesome.
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After eight years? Fuck yes it would.
It would be like this beast that has been slumbering for a decade finally coming back and drawing Batman out. It would be creepy and scary as all hell.
Joker is Batman's bane.
CosmicGroinPull
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Bane already spilled everything in the sewer fight- 'mr wayne', 'league of shadows'.
FlutterPuffs
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Didn't feel that though. Thankfully I live in Malaysia, so I don't really notice the New York City resemblance that much. I know how you feel though, it always sucks when you notice something you know in real life, it just breaks the immersion.
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Fuck all this shit about Blake "knowing" he's Batman...how the fuck does an entire city not see the correlation between:
Batman disappearing for 8 years/Bruce Wayne disappears from the public eye for 8 years.
Batman returns to the public eye, Bruce Wayne returns to the public eye.
Same problem I had with Superman Returns and Clark/Supes disappearing/reappearing.
Batman disappearing for 8 years/Bruce Wayne disappears from the public eye for 8 years.
Batman returns to the public eye, Bruce Wayne returns to the public eye.
Same problem I had with Superman Returns and Clark/Supes disappearing/reappearing.
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Would have been cool to see Bane on the fear toxin.
At least in Superman Returns his alter ego wasn't"Gone" and had an appropriate cover story.
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I love the shit out of this movie, but it's probably the least quotable out of the trilogy. Some lines just seems muddled and unnecessarily complicated.
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I like the movie too but man does it have some issues the other 2 didn't.
Perhaps Deus Ex Machina is a tad extreme, but my argument that it's lazy and plot-convenience still stands.
Did anyone else find that the opening scene treaded on much the same ground TDK did in regards to Bane's reveal. It was annoyingly similar. "Have you guys heard about this Joker/Bane fellow? I'm sure glad he's not among us right now. *Big villain reveal/he actually is"
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Pretty much. In my opinion it wasn't as memorable as The Dark Knight, but pretty much a great and satisfying finale to the trilogy.
edit: Also, good comment on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1T__uN5xmC0
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Rofl at the thought.
He sees the good in her- through his pants-detector
Batman dies, Bruce Wayne dies.
ryutaro's mama
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I just remembered another thing that was shitty about that crooks against the cops melee.
WHY WERE COPS, ARMED WITH NIGHTSTICKS, RUNNING TOWARDS CRIMINALS THAT WERE CLEARLY FIRING FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLES AT THEM?!?!
Oh and unfortunately, contrary to the demands of that guy from TDK, there were more dead cops.
WHY WERE COPS, ARMED WITH NIGHTSTICKS, RUNNING TOWARDS CRIMINALS THAT WERE CLEARLY FIRING FULLY AUTOMATIC RIFLES AT THEM?!?!
Oh and unfortunately, contrary to the demands of that guy from TDK, there were more dead cops.
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Huh? You see the cops all firing their handguns at Bane's crowd while running at them full pelt. We just didn't see anybody get shot.
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Perhaps I missed it.
That scene was just so corny and really served no purpose in the end, imo.
CosmicGroinPull
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Yeah both sides were shooting at first but once they closed the distance it was a full on brawl.
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I think everyone posting here right now was in an advanced screening (mine was today too). I think that you may find that TDKR isn't as strong as TDK once the newest wears off for you.
Or perhaps you won't.
We'll see.
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