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[MrPink93485]

TDK > BB > TDKR

Right now. It was good overall, but it definitely has some pacing issues. The ending doesn't get enough to really capitalize on the dramatic scenario. Really, the film could have actually used 10-15 minutes of development, which is bizarre. But to go from broken back essentially to recovered in 21+ days (which is glossed over pretty quickly) didn't really settle in the film. Enjoyed the first act and third act overall quite a bit.

 

[JehutyRunner]

First act - great start.
Second act - ehhhh. I don't know what to think on it just yet, but I get the feeling I'm siding with the opinion it was not very good.
Third act - YES! YES! That ending! That brilliant ending! I loved it, personally speaking.

Overall, I really enjoyed it. The middle was weak, but the first and third acts easily outweigh it. I loved it.

Nolan am God. *bows*

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

He's also the only person in town with the motive and resources to be Batman.

But, he plainly tells us how he knew. And it wasn't because of this. It was because he knew that look.

Oh, boy, I can tell this is going to be another one of "those movies" for GAF. You know, the ones that are actually very good, but are shit on repeatedly because it's the cool, contrarian thing to do.

I should probably stay away from further GAF discussions of this movie.

I have never been the contrarian about anything ever. It doesn't take much to amuse me. Dark Knight and Begins are both up there as two of my favorite movies ever. I still went into this with realisitc expectations; expecting that it wouldn't be as good as the first two, but still really liking it and seeing it as a fitting ending. I was very let down and didn't enjoy the movie. If you think I didn't enjoy this movie to be cool, you are wrong. I'm not saying you're wrong at all if you liked/loved it. I just wish I did also. I don't feel cool at all right now.

 

[goober]

How did Blake say his parents died again?

 

[TheAtomicPile]

If you're gonna accuse any and all complaints about a film you enjoy being "hate because it's cool", PLEASE stay away while everyone else tries to have an actual discussion about the film's merits and flaws.

In large part, that is not what's happening here. Instead people are saying that they feel like they walked out of a trainwreck. Really? I get if you didn't like it but was it really that bad?

 

[Vice]

TDK had the least absurd. At least it was just regular bombs on boats there and not microwave emitters or atomic cores that are decaying.

The morality test part was ridiculous. Dent walking around with half his body charred off was ridiculous.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

If you're gonna accuse any and all complaints about a film you enjoy being "hate because it's cool", PLEASE stay away while everyone else tries to have an actual discussion about the film's merits and flaws.

Exactly. It seems that most people with issues with the film are being very specific about it and explaining all their issues. It seems that since it showed the discussion has finally become rational about the film.

TDK > BB > TDKR

Right now. It was good overall, but it definitely has some pacing issues.

Word.

The morality test part was ridiculous. Dent walking around with half his body charred off was ridiculous.

But it was not a microwave emitter that vaporized water but not the water in people. Or a fusion energy source that with a few modifications became a ticking time bomb.

Absurd? Yes. Most absurd? No.

 

[Eidan]

What's the stretch that people are considering the second act?

 

[Vice]

How did Blake say his parents died again?

Mom "got in a car crash or something." His dad got shot over gambling debts.

 

[Plasmid]

How did Blake say his parents died again?

Wasn't his dad murdered? Can't remember his mom.

Overall I thought it was great, I didn't like bane's death, or the talia thing even though I remember reading about her.

JGL was awesome, is there any news on a robin film?

 

[MrPink93485]

Exactly. It seems that most people with issues with the film are being very specific about it and explaining all their issues. It seems that since it showed the discussion has finally become rational about the film.



Word.




But it was not a microwave emitter that vaporized water but not the water in people. Or a fusion energy source that with a few modifications became a ticking time bomb.

Absurd? Yes. Most absurd? No.

I'm very keen to have a rewatch. I had all these expectations and right away the film plays much different from a tonal standpoint that really caught me off guard. At no point did I want to say 'This movie was bad' or 'I was disappointed,' but there were moments of pure highs, and moments of confusion.

 

[Garrett 2U]

The ending was so satisfying, but in all the wrong ways.
The movie was advertised as the end of the legend.
And yet the ending made me desperate for more.

 

[Vice]

Wasn't his dad murdered? Can't remember his mom.

Overall I thought it was great, I didn't like bane's death, or the talia thing even though I remember reading about her.

JGL was awesome, is there any news on a robin film?

Nope, he'd probably just be Batman anyway if WB wanted to continue. There was tons of foreshadowing for him becoming the new Batman throughout the film.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I'm not surprised at how off put some people were. It ought a be a divisive film because Nolan is directly refuting a lot of traditional superhero sequelizing. he did a lot of camera techniques that you shouldnt do with masked heroes, a lot of day light scenes, a lot of normal conversation. It was all a very indirect way of saying " this should be weird to you, audience member". He was divorcing the idea of Batman from Bruce Wayne from the start of the film. Bruce being so sunken and drawn to this craziness like a death wish felt so real in the early parts. Alfred saying good bye just crushed me. So much said I never expected.


I'm getting tired but that's my stance on why it's turning to be so divisive. Totally okay with people not liking it, as it is such a weird film, but it is so meaningfully so. Paints the saga in such a tortured, crazy light. Nolan kind of reaches really deep into the comic bookiness of this story and pulls out how really nuts this all really is.


And oh yea, the Crane cameo was perfect.

 

[TheAtomicPile]

Perhaps I missed it, but what was the significance of JGL drawing the bats with chalk or whatever all over the city?

I'm not surprised at how off put some people were. It ought a be a divisive film because Nolan is directly refuting a lot of traditional superhero sequelizingl he did a lot of camera techniques that you should do with masked heroes, a lot of day light scenes, a lot of normal conversation. It was all a very indirect way of saying " this should be weird to you, audience member". He was divorcing the idea of Batman from Bruce Wayne from the start of the film. Bruce being so sunken and drawn to this craziness like a death wish felt so real in the early parts. Alfred saying good bye just crushed me. So much said I never expected.


I'm getting tired but that's my stance on why it's turning to be so divisive. Totally okay with people not liking it, as it is such a weird film, but it is so meaningfully so. Paints the saga in such a tortured, crazy light. Nolan kind of reaches really deep into the comic bookiness of this story and pulls out how really nuts this all really is.


And oh yea, the Crane cameo was perfect.

Agree with all of this. I was thinking the whole time during the movie, "Man this is so fucking weird." It really was a very different movie from its prequels and was very different from any other comic movie I've ever seen. I really appreciate it for that, but I can understand how others wouldn't.

 

[Dahbomb]

Honestly Joker getting past barrels and barrels of explosives past various securities in tight areas has to be one of the biggest contrivances in the trilogy.

The scene where the guy discover the gas barrels in the ship... it's like didn't they do a simple maintenance of the ship before loading it up to the brim with citizens?

From a pure medical point of view.... the whole anatomy of the burn on Harvey's face was absurd. I have seen many gasoline burns and they look nothing like that in fact Nolan has admitted to this saying that they actually had a concept of the Two Face that was more realistic but they decided to axe it because it would be too grim.

I really don't know how nuclear fusion cores work so I can't comment on the absurdities of that whole plot device in TDKR. But the whole pacing in the final act was messed up especially when related to the whole "bomb timer". It definitely didn't feel like 3-4 months passed. This reminds me of Troy where 10 years passed in the movie but it felt like a few days.

 

[goober]

The ending was so satisfying, but in all the wrong ways.
The movie was advertised as the end of the legend.
And yet the ending made me desperate for more.

I want more too, was thinking Blake might go straight to "Nightwing" or whatever while Batman is away

Perhaps I missed it, but what was the significance of JGL drawing the bats with chalk or whatever all over the city?

To bring hope? That was a recurring theme

 

[Jtrizzy]

But, he plainly tells us how he knew. And it wasn't because of this. It was because he knew that look.

Was there any attempt from Wayne to deny it either? It was kind of like, welp...you got me kid. They could at have at least made up some hard evidence Robin had like they did with the guy who tries to blackmail him in TDK.

 

[Emwitus]

They used the Steelers.

I'm fulfilling my fathers destiny to kill the batman and destroy gotham city....duh duh

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

I was surprised at how open ended it actually was. Like some people pretty much feel it directly sets up another sequel. Really, Nolan was doing more of a The Wire ending with it, but I'm sure the studio won't see it that way and fuck it all up.

 

[Emwitus]

I'm sorry, but what monologue about destiny?

I'm fulfilling my fathers destiny to kill the batman and destroy gotham city....duh duh

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I think I felt like the movie needed to be longer honestly. The start moved so quickly, I didn't understand what the point of him not being Batman at the start even was. Didn't think there was any time spent on Bruce and Kyle's relationship, or his and Tate. The citizens seemingly give in way too quickly. Dent wasn't a hero according to this one guy as read by some terrorist? I guess I'm all in for this killing rich people.

Was there any attempt from Wayne to deny it either? It was kind of like, welp...you got me kid. They could at have at least made up some hard evidence Robin had like they did with the guy who tries to blackmail him in TDK.

Not really. He doesn't admit it at first either, though. He just stands there and takes it. Doesn't admit it until his second scene with Blake when they're in the car.

 

[Log4Girlz]

All 19 auditoriums opened up at my place, nearly sold them all out.

 

[Dahbomb]

And after Bruce basically tells Gordon his identity... I don't think there is a single main character in the whole Batman trilogy that doesn't know of his real identity except for maybe the Joker and Harvey. I am sure if those 2 made it into part 3 they would've known too.

Dent wasn't a hero according to this one guy as read by some terrorist? I guess I'm all in for this killing rich people.

The speech that Bane made was directed more at the prisoners who were hurt by the "lie" the most. Hell I would be mad too if my prison sentence was lengthened or my parole denied just because of some cover up story. You put some weapons in the hands of this angered mobs, some loud words over the announcer and you got yourself an army.

 

[Lothars]

Oh, boy, I can tell this is going to be another one of "those movies" for GAF. You know, the ones that are actually very good, but are shit on repeatedly because it's the cool, contrarian thing to do.

I should probably stay away from further GAF discussions of this movie.

I thought it was pretty good but had it's issues. I actually feel that the whole trilogy are good movies but highly overrated and to me it's not even close to being the best superhero movie of the year. I would recommend anyone to watch it but I feel this probably won't hold up as well to repeat viewings. I also think the best movie of the trilogy was Batman Begins after watching this one.

 

[Vice]

But it was not a microwave emitter that vaporized water but not the water in people. Or a fusion energy source that with a few modifications became a ticking time bomb.

Absurd? Yes. Most absurd? No.

Wasn't the danger, mostly, that the device would become unstable without being in its containment unit. I just feel that Harvey Dent walking around, and kicking ass, while covered in major burns and open wounds is more ridiculous than a nuclear bomb.

Edit: From what we see in the movie the only people who are into what Bane says are the criminal element of Gotham. Everyone else is too scared to do anything because they don't want to die.

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

I haven't seen the movie yet, why the fuck am I reading this thread

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

In the end, he decides to stay as Batman for as long as he can. It's implied he's going to search for a partner so he doesn't have to protect Gotham alone for the rest of his life. It ends with everyone in the city cheering when the Bat signal is turned on (quite the change of tone for a Batman film) and he is on top of a building for a few seconds then swoops down. Credits.

About Blake:

He gets promoted in the end and is basically the ultimate good guy. No Robin, sorry lol.

She worked for the League of Shadows but never knew how serious things were going to get until she witnessed Bane break Batman thanks to her luring him to Bane. She's arrested by Joseph Gordon's character then escapes and hides out at Waynes house until she finds out what happened to him. She was told very little about the League's plans.

She flirts with Bruce but then comes to realize Bane needs to be stopped so she joins him but keeps it clear she's not going to be a good guy when it's all over. I had low expectations for her character but she actually nailed it.

Talia provided all the tumblers for Bane. She used Wayne so she could work for him and steal all of his equiptment. You find this out before she has Lucius killed.

Permaban me please if none of this takes place in the film.

So...

 

[TheAtomicPile]

I thought it was pretty good but had it's issues. I actually feel that the whole trilogy are good movies but highly overrated and to me it's not even close to being the best superhero movie of the year. I would recommend anyone to watch it but I feel this probably won't hold up as well to repeat viewings. I also think the best movie of the trilogy was Batman Begins after watching this one.

I think DKR might end up being my favorite over BB, but that could just be because I'm still on a high from just having seen the movie. Begins definitely has the better editing on its side, but I'm not sure that it reaches the level of tension and thematic meaning that DKR does.

To bring hope? That was a recurring theme

That's what I'd figured, but I thought maybe there was some more functional purpose that I missed somehow.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

About Blake:










So...

LOL

 

[Dahbomb]

Yeah the two endings that I accidentally read were completely bull shit.

I should've done a better job at avoiding the Internet with this movie. So many bull shit spoilers going around.

 

[Totakeke]

That's what I'd figured, but I thought maybe there was some more functional purpose that I missed somehow.

To mark the routes the truck actually carrying the bomb was using? Actually I'm not sure if they drew the Bat symbol on that scene.

 

[n0b]

I liked it a bit, but it definitely had its problems. Second half mostly.

Bane was good in the beginning, but the problem was he was mostly defined by his actions and not by his actual presence as a character. (Whereas it didn't didn't even matter with Joker whether he was doing something or not. Just him there in the room was creepy enough.) That's not really the problem though, the problem is after they defined his character through all of these actions, they took it all away by throwing in Talia at the end. Suddenly Bane goes from this intelligent and ruthless villain to a beefy henchman.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

I haven't seen the movie yet, why the fuck am I reading this thread

you might have lost half the enjoyment of the movie, the ending.

 

[Totakeke]

I liked it a bit, but it definitely had its problems. Second half mostly.

Bane was good in the beginning, but the problem was he was mostly defined by his actions and not by his actual presence as a character. (Whereas it didn't didn't even matter with Joker whether he was doing something or not. Just him there in the room was creepy enough.) That's not really the problem though, the problem is after they defined his character through all of these actions, they took it all away by throwing in Talia at the end. Suddenly Bane goes from this intelligent and ruthless villain to a beefy henchman.

Well the Talia reveal plus the twist reveal of her relationship with Bane humanized Bane quite a lot. I thought it was a neat touch, but I don't think people really wanted Bane to be humanized.

Especially if people wanted another Joker-level villian.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Man Batman's intro was my favorite Batman scene of the series.

 

[Radec]

About Blake:


So...

Holy shit.

Will justice be served?

 

[Dead]

dat ending

I cant even describe how wild the theater got when that woman said Blake's real name.

Bravo Nolan. I never expected you to actually deliver on that.

 

[Fjordson]

Was pretty good. Definitely not as good as TDK (and even that I didn't totally love) but a fun watch in the theater.

 

[MisterAnderson]

Hasn't Nolan/Bale been quoted as to never wanting to delve into "Robin"? I was pretty surprised that they went that route in this, even though it was incredibly obvious it was going down when Blake confronted Bruce in the first act.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Holy shit.

Will justice be served?

I hope. Gotta hope a mod wanders in here and gets a laugh out of it.

 

[Dahbomb]

Hasn't Nolan/Bale been quoted as to never wanting to delve into "Robin"? I was pretty surprised that they went that route in this, even though it was incredibly obvious it was going down when Blake confronted Bruce in the first act.

Yeah I just mentioned this.

I basically went into this movie taking Nolan's word that there will never be Robin in his movie because otherwise the Robin reveal would've been too obvious. Blake gets WAY too much screen time for being just a regular old cop trying to do some good.

 

[Radec]

Hasn't Nolan/Bale been quoted as to never wanting to delve into "Robin"? I was pretty surprised that they went that route in this, even though it was incredibly obvious it was going down when Blake confronted Bruce in the first act.

He just opened the posibility if someone continues the saga. Blake might even become Batman.

 

[kingslunk]

I loved this movie so much.

Nolan's Batman series > every other comic book movie

 

[Black_Stride]

That vision of Bane wasn't sustained by the venom.

The breathing apparatus was for helping Bane live pain free, not for venom delivery.

Well we dont know if Venom in the Nolan verse is a gas.....but thats not my point my point is its still some sort of pain reliever gas.....where is the gas kept??
When Bats punched banes tubes out there was clearly some sort of pressurized gas leaking out of them.

Where is that Gas actually kept, his mask had no tubes leading to any sort of reservoir and the mask itself was too small to actually hold all the gas he was breathing.

 

[this guy]

I feel like this movie stood on a line between ultra realism, and the hokey nature of comics, occasionally stepping on to one side, and then to the other, and so on. I've felt this way about all three batman movies, but most of all in this film. It's not like a movie like The Avengers, where the film gives in completely to the comic book universe it's adapting, but rather it tries to borrow from the Batman universe while still being rooted in reality. It never entirely "worked" for me, and this film especially left me feeling at times that the whole thing just looks rather silly. I don't know what to make of it.

That aside, I enjoyed the film. I'm not sure how I would rank the trilogy, so I'm not even going to attempt it right now. I like this, and I liked all three. I definitely need to watch this again though as the plot advanced in weird ways at times, and I feel a rewatch of Batman Begins would have been helpful as I didn't realize the League of Shadows or whatever was going to be so prominent in this penultimate film. It almost felt forced for the casual viewer like me after the totally removed second film, but that could be attributed to my fuzzy memory of Begins I guess. I'm willing to let things like the amazingly quick back recovery and the existence of the pit (I mean really?) slide because it's a comic book film, and I know these plot ideas are taken from Batman stories. But referencing what I said above, since the movie is filmed in such a realistic and gritty manner, I am less inclined to cut any slack about this stuff and am left feeling a little jarred instead. On the one hand, you have very clear shots of New York City, with the new WTC being built, and then soon after you see a very cheesy nuclear explosion over the horizon, with no citizens getting blinded or getting affected by radiation whatsoever. Ugh.

Overall, fun film, but long. I need to rewatch it, and the chick from Inception was looking fine as hell. She has a great rack. Oh, and the ending was awesome and very satisfying. I also have a bit of a mancrush on JGL, so a Batman or Robin spinoff or whateverthefuck would be fine with me.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Loved it. Cant wait to watch it again.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

He just opened the posibility if someone continues the saga. Blake might even become Batman.

I would like the idea of him becoming Batman more than Robin. Again, if his name is really Robin, that's not a very good super hero name. I would have really liked him being called Robin cut. Everything else stay how it was with him finding the cave, just never called that name.

 

[Radec]

and the chick from Inception was looking fine as hell. She has a great rack.

At first I thought her boobs got bigger, but it was just clothes.

 

[CREMSteve]

Just got back from it, loved the hell out of it. Not a perfect film, but wasn't expecting it to be. I loved the ending to bits.