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BruceLeeRoy
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It seemed to me that the "Jump" was the hardest because the rope would make you come up short, so making it would require risking everything.
Man I am still surprised how much I loved Hathaway as Catwoman. The whole bar scene and her choreographed fight was excellent stuff.
Man I am still surprised how much I loved Hathaway as Catwoman. The whole bar scene and her choreographed fight was excellent stuff.
SpeedingUptoStop
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Pretty sure they just sentenced Joker to death man. Even if Gotham didn't have the death penalty, plenty of people must've been like fuck this shit.
Yeah, I thought the rope itself was what was causing the hindrance in the jump.
I'm going to pay more attention to the well part again on rewatch. I'm not going to commit to my criticism on it.
I think BruceLeeRoy's right though.
Nah, just damn good music
They had free access to giant lengths of rope and numerous other resources, I'm not MacGyver, but I could have rigged up a way of escaping in an afternoon, being able to make that jump or not is totally irrelevant. It makes no logical sense at all and is just there to serve the plot.
Zen_Arcade
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Personally I thought playing through Arkham City was a far better example of how it would be if a madman shut off a city to the rest of the world. It was falling apart, all of the random thugs were ratty, villians ruled the major landmarks (Though it was cool how Crane took over the courthouse.).
Nothing about Gotham in TDKR felt chaotic. It looked more like there was a natural disaster and they were waiting for help. Possibly because of how often they skipped around timewise once Bane took over the city. There was a quick montage of looting and kidnapping and all that. But after that it just seems like everyone is hiding until Gordon gets caught.
BruceLeeRoy
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I said this in the other thread but even though I am really disappointed with a lot of aspects of the movie I still think the ending makes it a great book-end to the series. Nolan is definitely a director that believes the ending justifies everything which is contrary to a lot of other people.
Rises is a movie where I feel the ending makes up for the sum of its parts and as a conclusion is expertly done once he gets to start the closer.
Rises is a movie where I feel the ending makes up for the sum of its parts and as a conclusion is expertly done once he gets to start the closer.
thecouncil
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how does rope help you escape a well with a smooth wall?
A friend told me to expect a bit of a 'Fuck you Hollywood' type of statement from Nolan at the end of the credits. I didn't see anything (but I was understandably awestruck and not paying tons of attention in the wake of the spectacle), but a friend said they saw a statement near the end that said something like 'Proudly (?) shot and edited on film' or something to that effect.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Bruce didnt know what Bane's mask was for, once he knew (in the pit) the purpose of the Bask, he goes after it. If you watch the fight again, Bane is still superior physically, its just Batman outsmarting him this time.
Campy, sure.
Completely false. Unless you followed the production set photos and knew about Cotillard's character being Talia then yeah, TDKR didnt have the surprise reveal. For a lot of the audience it was.
:lol
Also the people who are saying the action is slow. IMO it has more weighty feel to it. BB had a lot of weightless action in it with the Tumbler flying on the rooftops, into the fountain and the batcave, this movie it just feels right. I'm glad the Batpod didnt fly 50 feet in the air. Imagine if it did, people would have complained "NO WAY he could have made that jump, he needed a ramp at a greater angle and bigger run up distance!"
planar1280
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It's not smooth
The problem is that Bruce Wayne needs to be away from the city and in recovery/training mode for a "realistic" amount of time. He can't wake up a few days later, fix his back, climb the wall, and go kick Bane's ass. At the same time though, you can't really expect Bane to hold and effectively run Gotham City for any realistic amount of time.
I'm not sure how you could fix this at the script/story level. In the movie they basically pretended that while months passed for Bruce, when Batman returned only a couple days had passed for Gotham.
apocalidiot
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Those cops were underground for five months and they had clean clothes when they came out? MAJOR plot hole. I mean, what are we to believe, that these are some sort of magical cop uniforms or something? Boy, I really hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
MisterAnderson
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Am I the only one who feels like the Bat Pod was the star of the movie?
Dat drift.
If this is what you're choosing to complain about, then I don't know how you can enjoy any movies at all. Granted I'm not disagreeing that it's a "blunder," but I can't see that affecting the enjoyment of the movie.
Dat drift.
If this is what you're choosing to complain about, then I don't know how you can enjoy any movies at all. Granted I'm not disagreeing that it's a "blunder," but I can't see that affecting the enjoyment of the movie.
NekoFever
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Did the stock exchange attack not make sense to anyone else? They made some trades in Bruce Wayne's name to bankrupt him, right? And no one thought it was weird that Wayne made these suicidal investments at the exact same time as an armed raid on the stock exchange? And there was no way to look at what they did at that terminal and spot that Wayne's trades were made there and then?
It was kind of hand waved by Fox saying they could prove fraud in the long-term, but surely they would have shut down the Gotham Stock Exchange and gone over all suspicious activity with a fine-toothed comb in those circumstances.
It was kind of hand waved by Fox saying they could prove fraud in the long-term, but surely they would have shut down the Gotham Stock Exchange and gone over all suspicious activity with a fine-toothed comb in those circumstances.
Der Flatulator
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Someone want to quickly explain to me where this mini-Applied Science was/came to be? (Where Batman gets his suit from after he returns). Was it built as a fallback? I may have missed something there.
Also, what's the general consensus on 'Robin', at the end of the film. Confirmation, to him that Bruce is the Batman, or implying that he will indeed take up the role as the Batman?
Also, what's the general consensus on 'Robin', at the end of the film. Confirmation, to him that Bruce is the Batman, or implying that he will indeed take up the role as the Batman?
thecouncil
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it had a bunch of footholds and a ledge that stuck out, sure.
but, still, what is rope going to do in that situation?
I really liked it, even after sleeping on it!
It still has what I think are now the typical Nolan flaws, but they just didn't bother me in this movie to any real extent. To me it felt much closer to BB in terms of how the story was presented, the action was a huge improvement (sewer fight scene was grrreat), Bane was excellent, I loved John Blake as well as the ending. Like you I also was disappointed with how Bane died though.
I would rank the movies as BB > TDKR >>> TDK. There are things in TDK I just can't get over and I cant see anything in this movie having the same effect.
Oh. One scene that just came to mind as really being great is when Bane is confronting Daggett. "Do you really feel in control." Wow.
planar1280
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There were 2 ropes. One for outsiders coming in and out and one for escaping which ended to a certain poibt
Hero_of_the_Day
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Was his hideout from The Dark Knight.
That's the backup Batcave he used in The Dark Knight while the mansion was being rebuilt.
I couldn't understand a single thing Bane said. I didn't enjoy the fact they brought a mcguffin into this movie. The only thing I got rise out of is when Bruce and Gordon have their last exchange, and Gordon realizes batmans identity. TDKR is the weakest of the three, disregarding the ending, which I liked.
The army of cops running into assault rifle fire was worse than "No dead cops!!!"
The army of cops running into assault rifle fire was worse than "No dead cops!!!"
Saw is last night, projection problems turned what was supposed to be a 3 movie marathon starting with Begins at 6:30, TDK after, and TDKR at 12:01 turned into TDK starting at 7:40, an hour of blank screen, then Rises at 12, followed by Begins at 3am.(which I didn't stay for)
Got a free movie coupon tho...
anyway my impressions:
The Mayors not dead, his eyeliner protected him.
Iron Man Batman flying a nuclear bomb away from New York Gotham was cool.
Gonna go see it again later this weekend probably.
Got a free movie coupon tho...
anyway my impressions:
The Mayors not dead, his eyeliner protected him.
Gonna go see it again later this weekend probably.
SonicMegaDrive
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Michael Caine gave a fantastic performance in this. Even better than he was in the previous two. He was stand-out awesome.
Bale was excellent as well.
Bale was excellent as well.
He'll take up the role, maybe not specifically as Batman - but someone who can watch over Gotham. He was hinting it all throughout their scenes, thoroughly when batman saved him just before the tunnel. (Batman said that Blake needed to suit up, but he replied by saying he doesn't want to hide. And Batman said that it's a symbol not a person)
e/ and also when Bruce basically gave his Manor to the Orphanage and put Blake in charge
Auron_Kale
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I thought it was basically a way for Bane to get Bruce to hand Talia control, since she was backing the whole reactor project. Bleed him dry in the wallet and then force him to turn over the reactor to her.
Not that I disagree that it feels weird but I believe this is not what we call a plot hole.
Sorcerer
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I think everyone is approaching the well scene too logically.
There is no logic to it.
The old man tells him the only way out is to feel fear once again. Batman/Bruce Wayne has lost his fear.
Climbing without the rope will bring fear. (Hint: The bats are a reference to when he was a child, fell into the well and learned to be scared of bats)
Its mystical mumbo jumbo, but there was a bit of that in Batman Begins so its okay to suspend your belief for a minute.
There is no logic to it.
The old man tells him the only way out is to feel fear once again. Batman/Bruce Wayne has lost his fear.
Climbing without the rope will bring fear. (Hint: The bats are a reference to when he was a child, fell into the well and learned to be scared of bats)
Its mystical mumbo jumbo, but there was a bit of that in Batman Begins so its okay to suspend your belief for a minute.
Couldn't you argue there was still some semblance of order as represented by the "court"? The people of Gotham didn't necessarily ask for these events to occur -- it's conceivable they personally remained ordered. The thugs somewhat "ran" the city -- though they were numerous they were less than the populace. Bane was still in charge as the the city was not really in the hands of the people (represented by the "trigger man"). It was a hostage situation -- not necessarily structure-less anarchy. The cities were relatively safe enough to walk about. People were confined but not immediately murdered. Martial law, no?
Note: I'm playing devils advocate. I'm still not sure where I stand personally.
Note: I'm playing devils advocate. I'm still not sure where I stand personally.
Davey Cakes
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I really like how Bane broke Batman's mask (before dislodging his back, of course), and later on Batman broke Bane's mask. Revenge!
Also, Bruce/Batman totally pulled a Goku, when it comes to the first and second fights with Bane.
Also, being taken out by the cannons on the Batpod. What a way to go. Heh.
Also, Bruce/Batman totally pulled a Goku, when it comes to the first and second fights with Bane.
Also, being taken out by the cannons on the Batpod. What a way to go. Heh.
There were definitely times when the sound mix made a lot of dialogue hard to catch, not just from Bane. When I could actually hear him I understood him just fine, but then I'm English. The accent seems to throw some people off.
Der Flatulator
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Makes me cry every time he speaks, almost. Amazing actor. Great ending, too, in my opinion.
He didn't say "Nevahh" in this one though. A little disappointed.
Reading all of the opinions on here helped me to try and understand how I really feel about this film.
I did the marathon last night and left the theater wondering...Did I like it? I think it may be the tonal whiplash of seeing it right after The Dark Knight, I don't know.
Someone earlier posted the action sequences, other than Bane, had no bite. And I...agree. The whole convoy attack sequence felt like I knew how it was going to end. The Bat was awesome.
In fact my real moment of indecision came when they revealed the bomb. I really find WMD's to be a crutch to create a threat. I don't think the bomb needed to exist at all. What Bane was and his belief should have been the central threat that carried through. We saw how people were living, but we didn't see the despair. His hollow platitudes about taking back control of your lifes and city...don't direct that at the criminals alone. Show out-of-work parents, people struggling in a bad economy while the upper crust dine like kings, going with Bane willingly...then finding out it's another hollow and empty promise of HOPE.
Talia could have been eliminated entirely. Bane hinted at hope, but wanted the people to suffer. Batman was the real symbol of hope for a people who had no where else to go.
Anyway, not my film and I'm sure everyone has their own ideas. But now I'm just waiting for Skyfall already...
I did the marathon last night and left the theater wondering...Did I like it? I think it may be the tonal whiplash of seeing it right after The Dark Knight, I don't know.
Someone earlier posted the action sequences, other than Bane, had no bite. And I...agree. The whole convoy attack sequence felt like I knew how it was going to end. The Bat was awesome.
In fact my real moment of indecision came when they revealed the bomb. I really find WMD's to be a crutch to create a threat. I don't think the bomb needed to exist at all. What Bane was and his belief should have been the central threat that carried through. We saw how people were living, but we didn't see the despair. His hollow platitudes about taking back control of your lifes and city...don't direct that at the criminals alone. Show out-of-work parents, people struggling in a bad economy while the upper crust dine like kings, going with Bane willingly...then finding out it's another hollow and empty promise of HOPE.
Talia could have been eliminated entirely. Bane hinted at hope, but wanted the people to suffer. Batman was the real symbol of hope for a people who had no where else to go.
Anyway, not my film and I'm sure everyone has their own ideas. But now I'm just waiting for Skyfall already...
I see what you did there.
apocalidiot
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Do you? Because no one else apparently has. Which is fucking sad.
Davey Cakes
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Oh shit, yeah I almost forgot about that (because there was so much going on in the movie). Great scene.
Randy Lanzarote
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Just seen it. It isnt quite up there with TDK, if only because it feels like Batman is missing for most of the movie. But when he turns up with Bane and Catwoman.....yeah, those parts were awesome. The Talia reveal got me, wasnt expecting that.
In a way, to use a gaming reference its kind of like Jedi Knight 2. First half of the game is a chore because you know you are just laying down some story as to how/why you get your powers back. But once you get the powers, thats where the fun really begins ;-)
Going to see it on Sunday again, see how it holds up under a second viewing.
In a way, to use a gaming reference its kind of like Jedi Knight 2. First half of the game is a chore because you know you are just laying down some story as to how/why you get your powers back. But once you get the powers, thats where the fun really begins ;-)
Going to see it on Sunday again, see how it holds up under a second viewing.
It's a rank.I don't get it
Der Flatulator
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There was a lot of that in there.
e.g. "Then you have my permission to die"
BruceLeeRoy
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I teared up big time when he is talking about his failure at the Waynes grave. Damn that was rough.
Zen_Arcade
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Really? Because I thought the ending is super out of character for Bruce Wayne. I could never imagine that he does all that work to save Gotham and get out of the pit just to fake his death and lie to his city. I don't get why he would move away and leave his legacy to some random orphan/cop who he only met a handful of time.
Maybe if they fleshed out Robins character it would of worked. But as it was he left an untrained, unqualified person the keys to his
castle. It takes years of teaching from Bruce to be comfortable for Dick Grayson to go out on his own and be his own hero, and this guy gets to be Batman in mere months with no training?
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