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[Auron_Kale]

After watching all three in a row last night, I don't understand how people liked BB more than TDK.

...I like Bruce's story more than the Joker?

Shocking, I know.

But seriously, that's what it comes down to: I prefer Bruce's quest to become, remain and then relinquish the role of Batman (BB, TDKR) versus what the Joker was doing in TDK, and I thought that the Joker was basically the best part of TDK.

 

[Anth0ny]

I don't get it

 

[Gila]

You know as much as I love Crane (Scarecrow's better ) I really would of loved if Harvey Dent ruled the court scenes. It would of been so fitting.

Obviously only if he didn't die.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

I teared up big time when he is talking about his failure at the Waynes grave. Damn that was rough.

not gonna lie , I was holding in my tears as hard as I could...

I know the people next me were balling their eyes out.

 

[rdrr gnr]

I must be a heartless bastard as I was sorta cringing at some of the scenes with Alfred.

 

[Sojgat]

how does rope help you escape a well with a smooth wall?

Climb up to the point of the jump, pull the rope up, attach makeshift grappling hook throw it up so it hooks the far lip, swing over, climb out. that's allowing that you couldn't just throw it to the top of the well from the halfway point (which it looked like you could do) and climb up from there.

There were 2 ropes. One for outsiders coming in and out and one for escaping which ended to a certain poibt

Bruce was hanging from rope in his cell and you can see other lengths lying around, it may actually be an intentional joke now that I think about it.

 

[Anth0ny]

I teared up big time when he is talking about his failure at the Waynes grave. Damn that was rough.

I came close. Michael Caine is so good ; _ ;

 

[Der Flatulator]

I teared up big time when he is talking about his failure at the Waynes grave. Damn that was rough.

Me too. Saddest part of the film.

 

[bndadm]

Could someone help me put into context better the whole Alfred and Bruce parting ways? Was Alfred trying to shake Bruce out of his Batman routine by doing so? Did he just not want to be there if something happened?

Caine was fantastic in the film, but I may have missed the deeper context in that confrontation/parting.

 

[CREMSteve]

I loved the flick, my only complaint was some funky editing near the end of the film, where Talia was here one moment/gone the next moment, for a second I thought the continuity was out of whack.

Bane was like "bring her to me" then BAM, next scene she's with Fox in the hall, then BAM Bane's like watch her, he'll be coming for her. I had no idea wtf was going on, lol.

Am I the only one that noticed this?

 

[SpikedGunner]

but his skybox exploded!

Thoughts at the theater when that happened:

"BATMANUEL! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

 

[MrPink93485]

I must be a heartless bastard as I was sorta cringing at some of the scenes with Alfred.

I've never seen Michael Caine cry before. So it kinda caught me off guard. But he sold it well all in all

 

[Sorcerer]

Really? Because I thought the ending is super out of character for Bruce Wayne. I could never imagine that he does all that work to save Gotham and get out of the pit just to fake his death and lie to his city. I don't get why he would move away and leave his legacy to some random orphan/cop who he only met a handful of time.

Maybe if they fleshed out Robins character it would of worked. But as it was he left an untrained, unqualified person the keys to his
castle. It takes years of teaching from Bruce to be comfortable for Dick Grayson to go out on his own and be his own hero, and this guy gets to be Batman in mere months with no training?

There is a sort of theme in the movie that Bruce is getting too old to continue this.

First Alfred flat out tells him so.

Then the Dr. tells him basically he is in really bad shape.

Then of course he gets beat by Bane.

Maybe there is no way for him to live a normal life as just Bruce Wayne anymore.


Rember Bruce Wayne has paid the price for bieng Batman, and has no chance for a normal life as long as he is Batman.

Also him starting a new life ties neatly with Selinas need to use the program to start a new life.

That theme also connects the movie back to Batman Begins Rachel leaves him at the end.

Also remeber Bruce tells Blake to make sure to where a mask in one scene.

 

[Talon]

I'm really thankful that they paid off on the Rachel note.

 

[Sojgat]

Oh. One scene that just came to mind as really being great is when Bane is confronting Daggett. "Do you really feel in control." Wow.

"You're pure evil ugh....." I thought that whole scene was just painfully awful.

 

[raphier]

I must be a heartless bastard as I was sorta cringing at some of the scenes with Alfred.

The first act with Cane was really forced with all that 'this is the last of the trilogy.' stuff. I really disliked the way they made Bane vs Batman anti-climatic. It's supposed to be shocking and scary when Bane broke him. Second act tried to rush to the end.

 

[rollingstart]

Man, Blake couldn't beat up two thugs without shooting them. The punk thinks he can be Batman now? It needed a montage of Deebo training Blake in the Batcave.

 

[Der Flatulator]

...I like Bruce's story more than the Joker?

Shocking, I know.

But seriously, that's what it comes down to: I prefer Bruce's quest to become, remain and then relinquish the role of Batman (BB, TDKR) versus what the Joker was doing in TDK, and I thought that the Joker was basically the best part of TDK.

Agreed. That's one of the only things I didn't like about TDK, it was centralized around The Joker, not Batman.

 

[Bumhead]

I teared up big time when he is talking about his failure at the Waynes grave. Damn that was rough.

Same, that was a killer. Before the movie I wanted Bane to wreak shit up and for the end of the film to be as miserable as possible, but when that scene kicked in with Alfred at the grave I was praying that Bruce would actually be fine.

Although I think the following scene at the cafe would have worked better had they left it with Alfred just smiling and nodding at the camera.

 

[SuperAndroid17]

Was anyone expecting Ras to be fucking real?


I seriously was...hes immortal! I love that cameo.

" Did you think I would die so easily? "

 

[Maximus.]

My theatre didnt get any trailers, anyone else miss out too?(IMAX)

 

[ThatCrazyGuy]

Saw it last night. I thought it was good overall, of course it was not perfect, but I felt satisfied. Some random thoughts.

- Liked Bane overall. Just sometimes I couldn't understand what he was saying. When I could, I enjoyed it, haha. Loved his accent and some of his quips and his mannerisms.

- Bane vs Batman fights were awesome.

- When the Talia reveal happened, my mind instantly flashed to TAS stuff, lol. I for some reason didn't see it coming. I didn't keep up with the movie production at all. I just never thought about how his daughter could come into it. I dug it.

- Her death scene was hilarious to me when her eyes shut.

- Liked Catwoman. I thought I wouldn't. She played it good. Plus I thought the suit was very attractive

- Thought Bale was really good this time out.

- For the whole city being under lockdown for months, I kept thinking of like the Simpsons movie or the Transformers 3 shit when the Cons have Chicago locked down. I don't think it feasible or would go down like that, heh. I just don't know.

- The ending was awesome for the most part. I loved JGL getting into the batcave.

- Part of me wished the movie ended on Alfred's face and nodding and left it at that.

Will now have to watch in IMAX.

 

[schuelma]

Just got back from a sold out fake IMAX showing. Some really terrible plot holes and editing screwups aside, I thought it was very good. After 1 showing it isn't sticking with me like TDK did, but that is 100% because of the Joker. I thought it did its job, which was to provide a fitting end to the character. I suspect that much like Batman Begins I'll like it even more after repeated viewings.

 

[border]

The thugs somewhat "ran" the city -- though they were numerous they were less than the populace. Bane was still in charge as the the city was not really in the hands of the people (represented by the "trigger man"). It was a hostage situation -- not necessarily structure-less anarchy. The cities were relatively safe enough to walk about. People were confined but not immediately murdered. Martial law, no?

I guess you can argue that fear might have kept people from rioting or looting initially.....but you couldn't hold order that long, with a general populace that's being cut off from basic necessities. Who was feeding a city of millions for months? Who is running and maintaining the power grid? Who has been picking up the trash and keeping the water/sewer running?

 

[mocolostrocolos]

Well, for some reason I knew Tara was Talia.

Ras never had any boy and the name was too obvious. But still is really well played.

 

[castlegar]

Anyone else laugh when they cut to that ridiculous shot of Batman, Selina, and Gordon blankly listening while Talia did her little speal? It looked so derpy.

 

[rdrr gnr]

I'm glad to see I was alone in being somewhat jarred by Alfred. It really felt forced and I ultimately disliked it; whereas, I really enjoyed Alfred's role in the previous films. I don't think it was out of character or anything, but it felt poorly paced and he is gone for most of the film and you aren't as primed for his emotions as you are in BB or TDK.

I guess you can argue that fear might have kept people from rioting or looting initially.....but you couldn't hold order that long, with a general populace that's being cut off from basic necessities. Who was feeding a city of millions for months? Who is running and maintaining the power grid? Who has been picking up the trash and keeping the water/sewer running?

I agree that the logistics -- not necessarily the psychology -- of such a task is what makes it impalpable. But it doesn't bother me as much as it might others. I'm willing to let it go for the sake of enjoying the film -- and I would argue there are other weaker aspects of the film to focus on.

Anyone else laugh when they cut to that ridiculous shot of Batman, Selina, and Gordon blankly listening while Talia did her little speal? It looked so derpy.

It was discussed a few pages back. Was cringe-worthy.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Honestly, if you remove the Joker from the equation, I think I like all 3 films equally. I don't think they're all equally good or anything, but I did enjoy each of them a tremendous amount and am 100% satisfied with the set as a trilogy. I can't wait to see it again this weekend.

That's my review of the film, and I'm sticking with it.

 

[artist]

Climb up to the point of the jump, pull the rope up, attach makeshift grappling hook throw it up so it hooks the far lip, swing over, climb out. that's allowing that you couldn't just throw it to the top of the well from the halfway point (which it looked like you could do) and climb up from there.

What a genius!

Could someone help me put into context better the whole Alfred and Bruce parting ways? Was Alfred trying to shake Bruce out of his Batman routine by doing so? Did he just not want to be there if something happened?

Caine was fantastic in the film, but I may have missed the deeper context in that confrontation/parting.

Yes, Alfred was trying to get Bruce to move on. It was an argument that got out of hand .. Bruce says that he & Rachel decided to be together (which they did) and he cant move on after Rachel's death because of it. But Bruce doesnt know that Rachel had changed her mind later on and wrote a letter for him. Since Alfred admitted to holding the truth back from Bruce, he gets upset.

 

[Kozak]

...I like Bruce's story more than the Joker?

Shocking, I know.

But seriously, that's what it comes down to: I prefer Bruce's quest to become, remain and then relinquish the role of Batman (BB, TDKR) versus what the Joker was doing in TDK, and I thought that the Joker was basically the best part of TDK.

Yes this is same for me. Exactly how you worded it.

TDK is still amazing (10/10) and I'm sure if Heath Ledger hadn't passed away there would be more of a link to TDK as well in TDKR.

 

[CREMSteve]

I've never seen Michael Caine cry before. So it kinda caught me off guard. But he sold it well all in all

I was more touched by Bane's tears during the Talia reveal. I loved that moment, maybe the highlight of the movie for me.

 

[HIGH DEF JEFF]

Anyone else laugh when they cut to that ridiculous shot of Batman, Selina, and Gordon blankly listening while Talia did her little speal? It looked so derpy.

Yup..which was followed by the most comical death scene Ive seen in a long time.

 

[Der Flatulator]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

 

[bndadm]

Yes, Alfred was trying to get Bruce to move on. It was an argument that got out of hand .. Bruce says that he & Rachel decided to be together (which they did) and he cant move on after Rachel's death because of it. But Bruce doesnt know that Rachel had changed her mind later on and wrote a letter for him. Since Alfred admitted to holding the truth back from Bruce, he gets upset.

Thank you, that actually helps a lot.

 

[rdrr gnr]

What a genius!

Meh. It's a fair point, but I still found the pit to be the most sound symbolism in the series since Joker. It's not about the physicality of making the jump. At least not solely.

 

[apocalidiot]

You are so fucking sad.

Its not sad that people don't get the Simpson's reference. Its sad that no one took my ridiculous (joke) complaint as, well, a joke. Everyone in here bitching about the movie is doing so on the dumbest shit ever. You're all acting like you're analyzing a movie that DOESNT revolve around a character that dresses up as a bat and fights crime.

Someone made a mention about having to suspend their belief for five minutes in the film (like that was a lot to ask). Movies require you to suspend your belief throughout the film, even if a small amount. This movie is about a guy that dresses up as a bat and fights crime. I don't get why people are putting this insane amount of scrutiny in it.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't give a fuck about anything in terms of having complaints, but saying this movie is a slow train wreck, etc? Gtfo

 

[Red]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

Of course it was real.

 

[Sojgat]

What a genius!

Thank you for your sarcasm.

 

[Vice]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

The movie ends on a very happy not. I'm positive it was the real Bruce and Selina. I mean two minutes earlier you see that Bruce fixed the autopilot in the Bat.

 

[Dead]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

I dont really think there is any room for ambiguity. Seemed pretty cut and dry, nothing in the way that scene was shot and edited would indicate it as being a dream, plus it follows that discovery that Fox just made.

 

[Ushojax]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

No, the last scene is Alfred seeing Bruce and Selina for real. Was Lucius' 'autopilot' discovery a fantasy too? This is not Inception.

 

[el retorno]

Been hearing all sorts of crazy stories about the end. Mainly suggesting that what Alfred saw in the end was real, i.e Bruce didn't die, and ends up with Selina.
I think Nolan was simply trying to tie it to where Alfred says to Bruce something along the lines of him not wanting Bruce to ever return to Gotham, so he can live a happy life, etc.

The last Alfred scene is Nolan creating a happy(er) ending for Alfred, as in the scene prior, he's balling his eyes out at Bruce's grave.

It was real. What about the autopilot scene? Robin? This isn't Inception.

Why is the automatic response now everything is a hallucination?

 

[Talon]

Well, for some reason I knew Tara was Talia.

Ras never had any boy and the name was too obvious. But still is really well played.

Tara? Her name was Miranda Tate.

 

[Leeroy3101]

Just got back from seeing it. A few thoughts:

• I didn't find any part of the score exciting. Joker and Harvey have the best "themes" of the whole triology. Zimmer's Batman motiff has grown on me, though. I just hope, Zimmer that is, uses Williams' Superman Theme.
• Was cool to see a bit of Knightfall and The Dark Knight Returns in this film.
• We got more Bruce in this film but lost the character development we had in The Dark Knight. Would've loved to see more scenes with Bane and Talia working together. Same goes for John "Robin" Blake and Ms. Kyle.
• I'm not quite sure how Bruce survived the shockwave of a 5 Megaton nuclear blast but I was willing to suspend my disbelief. I'm just glad Nolan didn't kill him.
• I'm not a fan of Bane's voice but I'm glad Bale cleaned up his Batman voice.
• Part of me wants to think parts of Bane's plan was concocted as a sequel idea for Ledger to return as the Joker.
• I'd like to see another director and writer continue with the Nolan-verse. Wouldn't mind a whole film dedicated to "Robin" with Bruce having to come back towards the end of the film.
• For all the film's shortcomings, I still liked it. Each film in this series has great strengths along with major weaknesses. This is one of the times where the whole is greater than each individual part.

 

[ultron87]

If this was comic book Batman I'd be incredibly opposed to the idea of him quitting and letting someone else take up the fight. But with this version of the character I think it works.

 

[Der Flatulator]

Ok, ok, lol. I may have missed this auto-pilot scene... Gonna have to watch it again now.

 

[vareon]

Well, for some reason I knew Tara was Talia.

Ras never had any boy and the name was too obvious. But still is really well played.

I think anyone familiar with Talia will feel off when Bruce concluded Bane was Ra's son, and connected the dots that Ra's had a daughter and there's like only two significant female character in the movie.

 

[Superimposer]

Well, for some reason I knew Tara was Talia.

Ras never had any boy and the name was too obvious. But still is really well played.

The name's not obvious; her name is Miranda, not Tara. Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Trasher]

I liked it...but I didn't love it. I love BB and TDK.

Problems:

-Slow going in the first half
-Lots of the scenes (some of the acting too) felt forced
-Why did Bane's voice change from the beginning?
-Fairly predictable (Miranda Tate derp)
-Prison montage etc seemed underdeveloped/rushed
-Bane was a little too "speechy" at times. I thought the part where he read Gordon's speech was pretty lame. Like why would anyone believe that this letter is even true?
-The whole Batman identity reveal to Gordon seemed weak to me. BB did a pretty decent one, but this one felt kinda half-assed. Especially with them shoving the flashback scene in your face if it wasn't already obvious enough.

I dunno. I'm still obviously going to see it many more times. I didn't get the chance to see it in IMAX which hurts the viewing experience quite a bit. I was also super tired and had a headache, so all of these things could have combined to ruin the movie a bit for me. I'll have a much better idea of where it ranks after another viewing or two.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Somehow, it never occurred to me that she was Talia, despite all the (now) obvious hints. I'm glad it didn't. The reveal was certainly welcome.