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autopilot. he bailed out much earlier
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autopilot. he bailed out much earlier
Davey Cakes
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I liked that Bruce lived and got away with Selina. They escaped together and used the prototype "clean slate" device to start anew. I probably would have been fine with Bruce being dead as well, but it works both ways and one way just happens to have a happier ending (with payoff too, considering Alfred's desires for Bruce).
Expendable.
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For Nolan not liking to give away a lot in marketing, did anyone else feel like there wasn't much hidden in the film? We didn't really get the big picture from the trailer, but surprised they used some shots from JGL and the kids on the bridge at the end, among others.
mocolostrocolos
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It wasnt? lol for some reason i thought it was.
Oh, it was Tate. I knew there was a 'Ta-something'.
Well, it was pretty obvious the second Bruce fingered her back scar. The foreshadowing of that was beyond clear.
The survival ending works really well. "Batman" needs to die to cement his symbolic status with that sacrifice. Bruce realizes this, but knows he needn't actually throw away his own life: the whole movie is about him reaffirming his will to live. It is a very strong ending.
Wish they would've cut on Alfred's smile though.
SonicMegaDrive
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By the way, a HUGE crowd of people left the theater at the end of the movie right as Alfred was standing over Bruce's grave. At least 3 different groups. It appeared that a lot of people couldn't handle the fact that they killed Batman off. As far as they knew.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I loved when Talia stabbed him and he said "why" in his normal voice and the look on his face.
el retorno
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really? Nobody that I've talked to picked up the reveal. All that said was that she has some kind of secret not necessarily that she was Ra's daughter
Bruce fixed the autopilot via a software patch, this was revealed in the end quite clearly.
No, they began writing after his death. Link to Joker was on purpose, avoided.
Robin was his middle name, doesnt necessarily mean he becomes Robin.
Well there was a Galaxy S III commercial before my screening that ended with "Spoiler alert: it was all a dream."
Auron_Kale
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Strangely, removing the ambiguity of the ending (giving Alfred a happier one) was best as honestly, the man's suffered enough for the Wayne family, he needed some closure too which was seeing his 'son' happy.
Everyone who doesn't speak with a plain American accent is a bad guy, this should be known to all.
I don't think him sitting in that diner and smiling would have been ambiguous. I just thought the Bale smile was kind of goofy. It was nice, sure.
What's it called? Economy of characters? She had too much focus to solely be a fallback CEO. She could have been a love interest.
Der Flatulator
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But don't you see him in the cockpit with 5 seconds to spare?
el retorno
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I think having the last shot of the platform rising was to show that batman doesn't die. The symbol continues. Beyond Bruce. They needed that last shot to show that Gotham still has its protector.
mocolostrocolos
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Scene play.
TDK's end shot was shown in it's trailers too, didnt take away the effect when it came at the end of the movie.
Robin was his first name, I think.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I never said it was a trainwreck or complained about the cops clothing (I defended it as pointless nitpicking actually). There are tons of legit complaints about this movie and it's script that I won't push aside simply because it's a movie about a man who dresses up like a bat and fights crime. That's fine if you choose to, and if you enjoyed the movie that's great. But trying to lump anyone who didn't enjoy the movie into one over analytical group or the cool kids trying to be contrarians (as others have, not you) is shit.
Yes.
Loved the movie. TDKR>BB>TDK
TDKR did not have the odd flaws of TDK (Gordon's Death, Jokers insane multiple step plan to get Lau, Maroni not seeing Dent sitting next to him in his car).
Only problem I had was occasional mumbling from Bane. There are 4 or 5 sentences I have no clue what he said.
Don't understand some of the critical points being mentioned, but that's ok. I'm sorry people mildly enjoyed the movie, or even didn't enjoy it. I'm gleefully happy that I loved the hell out of it. I understood the plot of the movie, I was able to follow all of the individual arcs of the movie. The Editing seemed fine for a movie trying to cram in an 8 year time jump AND a months long occupation.
Batman was the best part of the movie. When he first reappears in the highway chase, with the emp/shadow trick, I fully geeked out. The shadowy blur of the bike, along with him taking out a motorcycle thug, was great. The Bat itself was awesome, and would make the same kind of entrance as Batman does. Out of nowhere.
Was pleasantly surprised that Alfred, Fox, and Gordon all made it out alive. I really expected one or more of them to die, to further break Bruce in the movie. Also happy that one thing I had heard about the Pit was wrong (I had heard something in relation to the rope the people would use when attempting to climb, that for some reason the other end would be tied around another person's neck, meaning if you fell, you wouldn't die but actually would kill someone else. Something that would wreck Bruce, which would lead to him climbing up without a rope) Didn't happen that way, and thankful.
Was almost happy when Alfred left altogether, only because it would give a greater chance of not getting stuck inside of Gotham when the shit hit the fan.
The Knightfall fight was quite brutal on Batman. The film protrayed the fight accurately enough to show that no matter what Batman threw at Bane, it meant nothing. Not because Bane was faster/stronger/better (those things definitely helped Bane), but because Bane can't feel anything! Then when Bane blew the roof of the chamber, and the rumble showed a tumbler, my jaw dropped. I mean, I knew he'd get them eventually, I just assumed Talia got it for him.
And when Bruce shut off all the lights in the chamber and it doesn't effect Bane, that part of the fight was just "whoa."
I'd write more, but I'm hungry and going to go grab something to eat.
And about the Colorado shooting, it's hard to express the amount of disgust and sorrow I have towards what happened. Hard to describe the feeling of what happened when I found out last night. Here I am, coming off the high of the movie, make it home, hit up the DKR topic for some reading (where no one had mentioned Colorado), then happen to go back to the OT main board and glimpse that topic. It's hard to write out the phyiscal act of a double take, but that's what happened.
I also feel horrible that this might taint the experience of going to the movies for people in the future. Its bullshit and not right.
TDKR did not have the odd flaws of TDK (Gordon's Death, Jokers insane multiple step plan to get Lau, Maroni not seeing Dent sitting next to him in his car).
Only problem I had was occasional mumbling from Bane. There are 4 or 5 sentences I have no clue what he said.
Don't understand some of the critical points being mentioned, but that's ok. I'm sorry people mildly enjoyed the movie, or even didn't enjoy it. I'm gleefully happy that I loved the hell out of it. I understood the plot of the movie, I was able to follow all of the individual arcs of the movie. The Editing seemed fine for a movie trying to cram in an 8 year time jump AND a months long occupation.
Batman was the best part of the movie. When he first reappears in the highway chase, with the emp/shadow trick, I fully geeked out. The shadowy blur of the bike, along with him taking out a motorcycle thug, was great. The Bat itself was awesome, and would make the same kind of entrance as Batman does. Out of nowhere.
Was pleasantly surprised that Alfred, Fox, and Gordon all made it out alive. I really expected one or more of them to die, to further break Bruce in the movie. Also happy that one thing I had heard about the Pit was wrong (I had heard something in relation to the rope the people would use when attempting to climb, that for some reason the other end would be tied around another person's neck, meaning if you fell, you wouldn't die but actually would kill someone else. Something that would wreck Bruce, which would lead to him climbing up without a rope) Didn't happen that way, and thankful.
Was almost happy when Alfred left altogether, only because it would give a greater chance of not getting stuck inside of Gotham when the shit hit the fan.
The Knightfall fight was quite brutal on Batman. The film protrayed the fight accurately enough to show that no matter what Batman threw at Bane, it meant nothing. Not because Bane was faster/stronger/better (those things definitely helped Bane), but because Bane can't feel anything! Then when Bane blew the roof of the chamber, and the rumble showed a tumbler, my jaw dropped. I mean, I knew he'd get them eventually, I just assumed Talia got it for him.
And when Bruce shut off all the lights in the chamber and it doesn't effect Bane, that part of the fight was just "whoa."
I'd write more, but I'm hungry and going to go grab something to eat.
And about the Colorado shooting, it's hard to express the amount of disgust and sorrow I have towards what happened. Hard to describe the feeling of what happened when I found out last night. Here I am, coming off the high of the movie, make it home, hit up the DKR topic for some reading (where no one had mentioned Colorado), then happen to go back to the OT main board and glimpse that topic. It's hard to write out the phyiscal act of a double take, but that's what happened.
I also feel horrible that this might taint the experience of going to the movies for people in the future. Its bullshit and not right.
I felt like this should have been the 4th film and TDK the third.
Batman Begins, Batman gets overshadowed by Joker and goes on the run for Harvey, Batman is gone for 8 years, comes back briefly, then retires.
I wanted a lot more Batman ass kicking from this trilogy, and I think a film with that between BB and TDK would have made it felt complete.
As it stands, and as I figured, I wasn't happy with the amount of Batman in costume in this film.
Batman Begins, Batman gets overshadowed by Joker and goes on the run for Harvey, Batman is gone for 8 years, comes back briefly, then retires.
I wanted a lot more Batman ass kicking from this trilogy, and I think a film with that between BB and TDK would have made it felt complete.
As it stands, and as I figured, I wasn't happy with the amount of Batman in costume in this film.
That's part of it, too: anyone can be Batman. It's like with Ra's in the first movie, an immortal symbol. They are mirrored characters. I thought that was the point.
Davey Cakes
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Wow. That's....wow.
How could you put all that time into watching the movie and not the last couple of minutes? Some people, sheesh.
Well, it was rumored forever that she was playing Talia, even though she denied it. Add in that with all the Ra mentions, and it just seemed pretty obvious.
Dog Problems
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Yeah, I picked up on that also. I thought he said "giant alligator" though, guess I'm remembering it wrong.
el retorno
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The countdowns never are literal. You think he could flown taken off and flown 6 miles in 2 minutes?
The count down isn't literal and doesn't match up with the movie time.
mocolostrocolos
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I really was expecting Blake's real name to be Dick Grayson.
SonicMegaDrive
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I couldn't believe it either. It actually temporarily distracted me from the movie and the emotional scene that was playing at the time I was in so much disbelief.
That's it!!!!!! You, my friend, have pieced together why I wasn't as thrilled watching a lot of this. A lot of the film I kept going "he can't die now, he's in a scene later on from the promo" and etc.
When I realized we hadn't seen JGL give that look yet I thought "he's going to be looking at the Batman" or something.
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See I never read anything about who she was playing. I just knew bane and catwomen.
I knew nothing more than what the trailers showed. I thought the Ra mentions were just talking about Bane being in the league of shadows and them doing a circle with the first.
Eh, best not to get too into details with the nuclear stuff. I mean shouldn't Gotham have gotten ruined anyway with such a large nuclear explosion going off so close to it.
Der Flatulator
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Yes. He's Batman. He does what he wants.
Neutron bomb iirc.
el retorno
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So was I
I figure that'd go over to many heads. They don't know who Robin is they just know Robin.
ViewtifulJC
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I remember the last time there was a mass exodus of people in a packed theater. After the Planet Terror part of Grindhouse was over, a bunch of people left. About half of them didn't come back!
Kinda wish I left though, because Kurt Rusell/car chase aside, FUCK that movie.
Kinda wish I left though, because Kurt Rusell/car chase aside, FUCK that movie.
Leeroy3101
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No idea how I missed that. Thanks to everyone for clearing that up.
The whole detonator angle, from TDK on the boat, made me think back to Joker.
The better payoff would've been to see the citizens keep the order while Bane's plan began to unravel. I'm sure someone mentioned this in the thread earlier, too.
I'm sure the clerk said his legal first name is Robin. Not saying his will become Robin but it seemed like a wink-wink, nudge-nudge type of move by Nolan.
Regardless, I want Nolan to give his blessing to a director and writer to continue using this universe.
Sorcerer
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Those people were not broken up over Batman, they were just rushing to get into their cars and out of the parking lot before everyone else, most likely.
There are always some that get antsy and can't wait to leave.
Me I have to sit through the credits because its part of the movie and I paid for it.
Zen_Arcade
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I mean yeah, I get him retiring. Other peoplehave worn the cowl over the years. But its so far out of character for Wayne to completely leave Gotham behind and hand all his responsibility to someone who has none of his training. It took him years to train to be Batman and he's leaving it up to some random cop.
In the last movie he was even telling people to stop trying to be the Batman. How are the guys running around in hockey gear with shotguns any better then putting a cop in his suit with no training. Its just careless, he's setting up JGL to fail. Doesn't seem like something Wayne would do.
nah. I still get chills thinking about that smile.
GrandHarrier
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He seemed closer to Tim to me, what with the whole figuring out Bruce Wayne = Batman.
rollingstart
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Sort of. Admittedly I'm only comparing with TDK since I haven't seen the marketing for Inception, and Begins showed quite a bit. But TDK's final hour was a surprise to me. I 'got' TDKR in broad strokes from the early trailers. Many specifics were left out, like Miranda and the entire Nuclear fusion thing, Ra's/League,
and what exactly was the point of Juno Temple's role, again? she disappears halfway into the film. She didn't add much before that, either.
and Bane's henchman, who I looked up is played by a "Josh Stewart," died off screen I guess. He seemed important, with being the CIA contact, sniper, and all around Bane's right hand man.
He was an amalgamation. Brains of Tim, shitty childhood of Jason and personality of Dick.
SonicMegaDrive
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Nah, this was during a matinee, there weren't that many cars in the parking lot. You might still be right, though.
Plus, three different groups, all at the exact same time? I dunno, too coincidental.
mocolostrocolos
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I'd rather have a Nightwing movie than Robin, but it was okay.
GrandHarrier
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Oh, I don't disagree. And I definitely approved of the implication that he'll become the next Batman.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Why do I hear people saying that at the end Bruce leaves Robin to become to take over the role as Batman? Hello! His name is Robin . . .
I know that this was said to be a trilogy and end now, but come on there is money to be made here. The "Batman" trilogy is over and up next is "Batman and Robin" trilogy or however many they decide to do. Next movie starts with just Robin protecting the city, realizes he needs help and convinces Batman to return to Gotham.
I know what Nolan said, but I don't see it ending here.
On the topic of the movie, absolutely amazing! Only thing I didn't like was the major time gaps once Bane takes over, felt really rushed.
I know that this was said to be a trilogy and end now, but come on there is money to be made here. The "Batman" trilogy is over and up next is "Batman and Robin" trilogy or however many they decide to do. Next movie starts with just Robin protecting the city, realizes he needs help and convinces Batman to return to Gotham.
I know what Nolan said, but I don't see it ending here.
On the topic of the movie, absolutely amazing! Only thing I didn't like was the major time gaps once Bane takes over, felt really rushed.
ViewtifulJC
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This is the worst thread title ever
Auron_Kale
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I like Nightwing, but I loved Dick as Batman. For Blake, I actually would love him as Red Robin rather than just Robin.
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