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[BurnOutBrighter]

This is absolutely my biggest complaint about the movie. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how the movie was going to end after that scene.

I just can't believe how some people think the end is a dream :/

 

[Doctor West]

I FUCKING KNEW the second Alfred talked about his dream for Bruce that it was going to happen. And when it did........Solo was ashes.

That part was so telegraphed, it would have been much better if they didn't show Alfred's flashback and just let it exist as a line of dialogue.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

People complained that they didn't understand it during the IMAX preview (I think they're idiots because I understood it fine on a youtube bootleg) so they changed it and made his voice clearer.

Ridiculous. It really sullied the otherwise powerful intro.

"Yes! The fire rises. Stay a while, and listen!"

 

[Ithil]

Just got back from the theaters. So after a lot of thought, I think I've put my finger on this movie. The Dark Knight Rises kinda lacked energy, it felt like how Sundays feel: enjoyable, but if you're here for the party you're a day or two late. And that can work if you're aiming for a more subdued film than say The Dark Knight, but so much of the movie lacked the enjoyable presence of the actors who were putting forward enjoyable performances, instead giving screentime to people who felt forced into the movie because Nolan likes putting them into his movies.

The film also felt so damn PG-13. It really sucked away the tension when the film constantly reminded you of the tone you want and the tone you won't get. Deaths were always conveniently cut away from or shown from a distance. People were shot in the cleanest, most bloodless way possible.

The story was also very confusing, especially at first, and it didn't help that so much being said in the film was inaudible. I'm still trying to figure out what Bane and the League of Shadows was trying to accomplish in Gotham, since they were just trying to blow it up in the end. But there was also like a forced people's revolution for a time.

But there were some great things in this movie. I really liked Bane's portrayal, his off-putting voice gave the audience a feeling of uneasiness about him. He was physically imposing, intelligent. I was really let down by the reveal that he wasn't the true antagonist. I'm not deeply knowledgeable about the Batman universe, but I thought the whole bodyguard thing was just in that awful Batman & Robin movie, and a little wikipedia reading led me to believe he was his own man maybe.

The action was more clear in being able to tell what was going on than the previous films. The fight scene between Bane and Batman was amazing.

Really though, I enjoyed it. It's hard to make anything beyond reproach, and it was pretty good.

Bane clearly did most of the legwork, though, he might have answered to Talia but he was no lackey. She obviously came up with the plan and did all the "corporate" stuff, but he was very much the leader of the revolution.

All the same, I was a little disappointed at how abruptly he exited the film, after being such a badass villain. I understand the ending was more about Batman and Bruce Wayne, but Bane was a major focus from the start until the last 10 minutes.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Biggest goosebumps moment: when batman is seen for the first time in the tunnel fucking shit up via EMP gun. Lovely shot!

 

[Wilbur]

This is absolutely my biggest complaint about the movie. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how the movie was going to end after that scene.

Journey bro, not destination

 

[neoism]

No, his voice was fucking impossible to understand. I saw the film, watched the youtube video like 6 times, and then had to find a leaked script to get the last bits. The change was very necessary. It didn't sound off to me, just different from what was initially shown.

your ears don't work. I really listened and I heard every word.

 

[Freyjadour]

Also, we have discussed the ending being a wink and a nod to this old bit right?

 

[Sorcerer]

I just can't believe how some people think the end is a dream :/

To be fair it is presented in that dreamy type of shooting style.

And it is shot exactly the same way as Alfred imagined it in the beginning.

The reality and the dream are visually indistinguisable.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Sometimes Bane is is just unintelligible, but you get the idea what he's saying from the context.

 

[Solo]

This is absolutely my biggest complaint about the movie. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how the movie was going to end after that scene.

I meant it as a good thing though. I was overjoyed. Like, obviously I knew they wouldn't kill Bruce. But I love that they give you pause at first, and how you only know for sure when Lucious discovers that The Bat's autopilot was fixed 6 months ago by Bruce. Then it all crescendos into the scene with Alfred in Florence. Predictable? Maybe. Sappy? Yes. Beautiful and poignant? Undoubtedly.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

your ears don't work. I really listened and I heard every word.

That is nice for you. But I didn't understand it, nor did any of the six people I was with, nor did most of the rest of the internet.

So sorry they dubbed it for you? But I really think the rest of the world is very appreciated. And it has been a while, but I didn't think it sounded noticeably different from the way Bane normally sounds, just different from the way it formerly was.

It wasn't just the voice either, it was the soundmixing. The plane was too loud and made it even more difficult.

 

[Talon]

No sequels please.

Also I loathed the Robin reference. I thought Nolan said he would never do that crap. A lot of the fanservice just felt superfluous and dragged the movie down. I could have done without the entire Scarecrow scene.

Fail to see how Scarecrow playing Judge drags down anything.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

I meant it as a good thing though. I was overjoyed. Like, obviously I knew they wouldn't kill Bruce. But I love that they give you pause at first, and how you only know for sure when Lucious discovers that The Bat's autopilot was fixed 6 months ago by Bruce. Then it all crescendos into the scene with Alfred in Florence. Predictable? Maybe. Sappy? Yes. Beautiful and poignant? Undoubtedly.

plus Caine sold that funeral scene

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I don't know how I would have felt if they'd actually killed Batman. I'm leaning towards uncomfortable. I'm glad they didn't.

 

[Doctor West]

Am I the only one who wanted Bane to say, "You're the man now, dog!"

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

To be fair it is presented in that dreamy type of shooting style.

And it is shot exactly the same way as Alfred imagined it.

But that's the thing - the payoff is that it's real this time. We see the Alfred's dream so people will feel familiar with the images and wonder "Is Bruce here this time?" and start anticipating. Then bam, payoff, I love you Nolan.

 

[Protome]

I just saw this film, absolutely loved it. My favourite in the trilogy.

This is absolutely my biggest complaint about the movie. I can't believe anyone wouldn't know how the movie was going to end after that scene.

After Inception & The Prestige, it was fair for people to assume we wouldn't actually see Batman and Selina. Nolan likes his ambiguous endings.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

I meant it as a good thing though. I was overjoyed. Like, obviously I knew they wouldn't kill Bruce. But I love that they give you pause at first, and how you only know for sure when Lucious discovers that The Bat's autopilot was fixed 6 months ago by Bruce. Then it all crescendos into the scene with Alfred in Florence. Predictable? Maybe. Sappy? Yes. Beautiful and poignant? Undoubtedly.

I presume Bruce and Selina both used the ID zapper to get away from it all?

Then Bruce found out Alfred was visiting and so he set it up to give him the peace of mind.

I liked it. Predictable, but nice.

 

[vicissitudes]

Fail to see how Scarecrow playing Judge drags down anything.

The entire scene just didn't really add anything to the movie. I felt like Rises tried to do too many things and because of that certain characters were underdeveloped.

 

[Joel Was Right]

One of my biggest gripes was the development of Banes' 'trained killers'.

The standard is set high during their introduction during the interrogation scene on the plane. Despite their head outside of the plane, they did not flinch. The nature of the escape, and Banes reminder during the stock exchange raid that "they'll die before they speak" gave a powerful indication that these were not the cliche villainous henchmen we were used to in films. But after that, I couldn't distinguish between Banes' men and the other criminals he had working for him. The film then reverted back to focusing solely on Bane himself and the contrast between him and them depreciated the fear factor and interest in the actual plot they had.

I thought that lack of character development/focus on how unique the other members of the League of Shadows was where the film dropped off for me because there is a definite change, in my eyes, between what we saw in the first 30mins and the Gotham daylight scenes following that.

 

[twofold]

plus Caine sold that funeral scene

God yes. I knew that there was no way Bruce was dead, but I was still on the verge of tears because of Michael Caine. Fantastic work by him.

 

[Dahbomb]

I would've been stunned if they had actually killed off Batman.

But I never trust a major death until I see them getting killed or I see the corpse.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

The entire scene just didn't really add anything to the movie. I felt like Rises tried to do too many things and because of that certain characters were underdeveloped.

The cameo in TDK also added nothing, but it was still awesome, just like this one.

 

[Sorcerer]

I don't know how I would have felt if they'd actually killed Batman. I'm leaning towards uncomfortable. I'm glad they didn't.

Something tells me Warner Bros./DC Comics would absoultley forbid the death of Batman.

They have licensees who need to sell toys and hundereds of other Batman merch.

 

[Kusagari]

The entire scene just didn't really add anything to the movie. I felt like Rises tried to do too many things and because of that certain characters were underdeveloped.

I don't see how it added nothing. It showed how deranged Gotham had become that a wacko like Scarecrow was now the one running a kangaroo court.

Obviously, it didn't have to be Scarecrow. But it was a fun cameo and connected the movies.

 

[bryanee]

I meant it as a good thing though. I was overjoyed. Like, obviously I knew they wouldn't kill Bruce. But I love that they give you pause at first, and how you only know for sure when Lucious discovers that The Bat's autopilot was fixed 6 months ago by Bruce. Then it all crescendos into the scene with Alfred in Florence. Predictable? Maybe. Sappy? Yes. Beautiful and poignant? Undoubtedly.

Agreed, I wasnt only happy for Bruce but for Alfred more than anything. Just knowing that he hadnt failed Bruce's parents. Knowing that Alfred could have peace of mind and be happy that the boy he raised goes onto to have a life outside of darkness and misery.

Man I fucking loved this film. Five more days and I'm off to the cinema again.

 

[Joel Was Right]

To be honest I was hoping Bruce was actually dead, because I was expecting that cafe scene at the end with him being alive.

 

[Ithil]

God yes. I knew that there was no way Bruce was dead, but I was still on the verge of tears because of Michael Caine. Fantastic work by him.

I was depressed by the pan shot behind Alfred revealing the graves of Thomas and Martha Wayne next to Bruce's. Combined with Alfred lamenting how he'd failed them, yeah, it was pretty god damn sad.

 

[Darth Pinche]

Also, we have discussed the ending being a wink and a nod to this old bit right?

 

[SerArthurDayne]

Talia's death scene, like the actual closing the eyes now I'm dead was laughably bad. Character was fine otherwise. Bane rocked, and I don't mind that Bane was essentially doing what he did in aid of her goals, because I liked how he did it.

 

[Freyjadour]

To be honest I was hoping Bruce was actually dead, because I was expecting that cafe scene at the end with him being alive.

He is, Alfred went nuts after his death.

 

[Auron_Kale]

your ears don't work. I really listened and I heard every word.

No, he's probably fine as myself and a few others in this thread could hear Bane 95% of the time, but it was the 5% where it seemed like he was mumbling where it was hard to hear, whether it was music or just something in the audio mix that drowned it out.

Obviously I could understand what was happening, but it was strange at times when he'd say a great line that gets drowned out by something towards the end so you miss it.

 

[Sojgat]

That is nice for you. But I didn't understand it, nor did any of the six people I was with, nor did most of the rest of the internet.

So sorry they dubbed it for you? But I really think the rest of the world is very appreciated. And it has been a while, but I didn't think it sounded noticeably different from the way Bane normally sounds, just different from the way it formerly was.

It wasn't just the voice either, it was the soundmixing. The plane was too loud and made it even more difficult.

Are you American, because this is a complaint I have only heard from Americans. I'm not trying to be derogatory when I say this (though now that I think about it I suppose I just called them all idiots in my previous post, sorry I guess) because I have heard a lot of Americans complain about not being able to understand many English or Australian accents as well, and feel that it's somehow linked with that.

 

[Solo]

Yeah, Alfred and Bruce's relationship was really the heart of this movie. Alfred is basically Bruce's surrogate father, and I felt so happy for him when he finally got to see Bruce living a life free from pain, suffering and Batman. Just living.

 

[Ithil]

I don't see how it added nothing. It showed how deranged Gotham had become that a wacko like Scarecrow was now the one running a kangaroo court.

Obviously, it didn't have to be Scarecrow. But it was a fun cameo and connected the movies.

Plus Cillian Murphy is hilarious.

 

[Bumhead]

I don't know how I would have felt if they'd actually killed Batman. I'm leaning towards uncomfortable. I'm glad they didn't.

I went into the film hoping it would have a miserable ending but after the scene with Alfred at the grave I was REALLY happy they decided not to kill Bruce.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

I meant it as a good thing though. I was overjoyed. Like, obviously I knew they wouldn't kill Bruce. But I love that they give you pause at first, and how you only know for sure when Lucious discovers that The Bat's autopilot was fixed 6 months ago by Bruce. Then it all crescendos into the scene with Alfred in Florence. Predictable? Maybe. Sappy? Yes. Beautiful and poignant? Undoubtedly.

I didn't feel the ending was earned. It was a beautiful ending no doubt, but the extremely forced nature of everything leading up to that ending stopped it from gut-punching me like I would have wanted it to.

I also hated the JGL stuff.

 

[saltine161]

One scene that no one is talking about that gave me chills, the unveiling of the Batman statue, that was a scene that was amazing for me

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

btw, lol at how that Gun from the promo shots turned out to be a huge piece of nothing. Had like 5 seconds of screen time.

didn't stop it from being awesome.
probably my favorite Batgadget right now.

 

[FlashbladeGAF]

The cameo in TDK also added nothing, but it was still awesome, just like this one.

I guess people forgot that Scarecrow worked with the League of Shadows in BB

His whole fear toxin was based around the leagues training methods


IT was nice little fanservice plus it made sense he would be in a supporting role with them again

 

[Solo]

"Exile or Death?"
"I guess we'll take death."
"The sentence is death. By exile."

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Talia's death scene, like the actual closing the eyes now I'm dead was laughably bad.

Agreed. Nolan chose a REALLY bad take for that moment.

 

[SerArthurDayne]

No, he's probably fine as myself and a few others in this thread could hear Bane 95% of the time, but it was the 5% where it seemed like he was mumbling where it was hard to hear, whether it was music or just something in the audio mix that drowned it out.

Obviously I could understand what was happening, but it was strange at times when he'd say a great line that gets drowned out by something towards the end so you miss it.

Are you American, because this a complaint I have only heard from Americans. I'm not trying to be derogatory when I say this (though now that I think about it I suppose I just called them all idiots in my previous post, sorry I guess) because I have heard a lot of Americans complain about not being able to understand many English or Australian accents as well, and feel that it's somehow linked with that.

To clarify, understood every single line Bane said in the movie, although with difficulty in one or two areas.

I do not generally have any problem understanding anyone speaking with an accent in British television/cinema or whatever.

He was fine in the final film. His voice was nearly incomprehensible in the first five minutes that was attached to MI4, for a variety of reasons, as I discussed above.

edit: Yes, I'm American. Since it was implied, but I didn't actually answer.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I went into the film hoping it would have a miserable ending but after the scene with Alfred at the grave I was REALLY happy they decided not to kill Bruce.

Yeah. Going in, I was prepared for it. But after how downtrodden and bleak the movie was, I really needed a ray of hope at the end. Otherwise...it would have been one murky film. I don't know if I would have liked that.

 

[Protome]

didn't stop it from being awesome.

I loved when the policeman shot it and Batman just glared at him until he apologised.

 

[KevinCow]

So why didn't Bane and Talia just blow up the city once they got the bomb? What was the point of holding Gotham hostage for five months?

 

[rollingstart]

One scene that no one is talking about that gave me chills, the unveiling of the Batman statue, that was a scene that was amazing for me

I thought "this is totally Rocky 3!" during that.

Personally, a lesser mentioned part I liked is how exploited the spinning wheels on the batpod were. Lots of cool tricks from Batman and Catwoman on it.

 

[vicissitudes]

The cameo in TDK also added nothing, but it was still awesome, just like this one.

I didn't really like his cameo in TDK either.

I don't see how it added nothing. It showed how deranged Gotham had become that a wacko like Scarecrow was now the one running a kangaroo court.

Obviously, it didn't have to be Scarecrow. But it was a fun cameo and connected the movies.

The movie had shown plenty how messed up Gotham was by that point. I thought the city was under Bane's control; why was everyone listening to this nut? And the punishment is you have to walk on ice until it breaks and you drown? Eyeroll.

 

[neoism]

I don't know how I would have felt if they'd actually killed Batman. I'm leaning towards uncomfortable. I'm glad they didn't.

lol yea I would have been pissed but like solo said I knew they wouldn't when Alfred told Bruce of his dream.

 

[thecouncil]

Bruce's arc, which has always been the heart of the franchise for me (and his backseat role in TDK is one of the reasons I am down on that film), gets the treatment and the screentime it deserved, and Nolan pulled it off brilliantly.

this is why i loved this movie too. and why i like begins better than dark knight, personally.

joker is great and the performance is nothing short of spectacular, but there just wasn't enough bruce in that movie.

another thing i like about this movie and also batman begins is how chill it all was (some may say 'boring'). dark knight is way too chaotic.