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[Korey]

I thought the Talia reveal was really poorly done.

Not only did it detract from Bane's character development, but her brief time as the "big bad" was a complete joke. She pressed the detonator and it failed to work, then she drove down the street and got killed in the span of like two minutes.

She was a horrible, horrible character. I mean, wtf. The "twist" was kind of cool, but it didn't go anywhere, and the motivations didn't make any sense.

Like ok, she escaped the prison at the age of 7 because apparently she's Super Mario, and somehow found her father who she's never met because he left before she was born so she literally has no connection with him. And then Bane was excommunicated for loving her, or something?

It was like a twist for the sake of being a twist.

 

[Beast Legacy]

Talia reveal was great.

JGL's name being Robin honestly produced an "ewww" from me at first, but after thinking about it for a bit, I love it. Because he's not Dick Grayson, or Azreal or Jason Todd or Tim Drake or whoever. His evolution as a character, realizations he makes and the fact that he is an "adopted" son of Wayne in a way, gives him all the qualities of what a "Robin" is.

I'm eager to see repeats with first timer friends both comic readers and nonreaders to see their reactions to the ending reveals.

 

[Totakeke]

Yeah the flashbacks were poorly done, but then most of us in here also rewatched the first two before heading it into TDKR. I'm chalking it up to "mainstream" pandering which is atypical of Nolan. Well not to that extreme anyway.

 

[Solo]

It IS rather interesting to think about some of ways Nolan DIRECTLY contradicted himself with this movie.

- he has said since day one that he doesn't think in terms of sequels, but rather that each film is its own entity - and yet here is a film that leans almost the entirety of its weight on BB (and TDK to a lesser extent)
- he has said since day one that he has no intention of bringing Robin into the fold - and yet there he is

 

[Ithil]

Actaully, now I figured out what Bane's voice reminded me of. No it's not Sean Connery (apart from the prologue). It sounded a little like Apocalyse in the 90's X-Men cartoon.

Which is awesome, of course.

 

[rollingstart]

The more I think about it, the more cheapened I feel about the Talia twist. You're fed this entire myth about Bane, you try to understand his motivations, you see him as a true adversary to Bruce, not only because he's a brute, but because we're led to believe his story is one of eternal struggle, that he, much like Bruce, is driven completely by an ideal, one that he mastered when he was much younger.

But at the end, we're told he's just some dude that was hired because he helped out a girl. He's a thug being repaid. Where's the great motivation? And what am I meant to think of him upon a rewatch?

I believe Miranda/Talia is his motivation.

To me, "the one who escaped the pit" seemed like a great feat but Talia didn't do anything. She mentions being trained by the League of Shadows along with Bane. Technically she should be kick ass, no? I guess deceiving and stabbing Batman are skills of an assassin. Then again, Batman is tricked by Catwoman.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Cheap parlour tricks, remind you of someone?

Except that it wasn't even a trick. It's just something Bruce starts thinking after being misfed some information, and incorrectly tying the wrong strings together. Bane was completely oblivious to what Bruce was thinking the entire time.

 

[Dead]

Actaully, now I figured out what Bane's voice reminded me of. No it's not Sean Connery (apart from the prologue). It sounded a little like Apocalyse in the 90's X-Men cartoon.

Which is awesome, of course.

It reminds me of the Goat Boy routine by Bill Hicks for some reason

 

[Korey]

I like your full name better...ROBIN.

Uggh, such a bad movie.

 

[Ithil]

Who knows, it bugs the everloving shit out of me though.



Perfect.

Well the comics have never gotten his name right anyway, right from having "Talia Al Ghual", as though "Al Ghual" is his surname like Wayne.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

It IS rather interesting to think about some of ways Nolan DIRECTLY contradicted himself with this movie.

- he has said since day one that he doesn't think in terms of sequels, but rather that each film is its own entity - and yet here is a film that leans almost the entirety of its weight on BB (and TDK to a lesser extent)
- he has said since day one that he has no intention of bringing Robin into the fold - and yet there he is

Third film curse turning Nolan against his own convictions. Shit is potent.

 

[Totakeke]

Except that it wasn't even a trick. It's just something Bruce starts thinking after being misfed some information, and incorrectly tying the wrong strings together. Bane was completely oblivious to what Bruce was thinking the entire time.

The whole Bane/Prison myth could be something the LoS built up all these years to mislead people going against them. Seems something the LoS would do. Why build up a fake Ras in BB? It's the same thing.

 

[thecouncil]

I know that the MGS4 comparison some people are making is really stupid - but the flashbacks actually made me think of the cutscenes in that game where you could hold a button down and see an image of what was being discussed occurring in the previous games in the series. That kind of super obvious "in case you idiots weren't paying attention during the previous films" techniques is really irritating to me.

but, y'know, it probably works for the people who havent seen begins and dark knight earlier this week.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Seriously didn't like The Bat. At all.

No tumbler made me super sad. Imagine the tumbler just fucking roaring through the crowd of goons and police.

'IM HERE MOTHERFUCKER'

I thought the bat was kind of generic. It also really sucked seeing them turn the tumbler into lame cannon fodder. I also don't see how tiny catwoman could ride batmans two wheeled cycle. Just some minor nitpickings in the grand scheme though.

 

[rollingstart]

So after Bruce killed Ras (sorry, didn't save him) and stopped his plan, he then manages to stop Ras' plan a second time and fucks his daughter in the process.

Immortal Ras rolling in his grave.

You have to wonder what Bane and Talia's relationship was like. Maybe that's why he really gave it to Batman.

 

[lastplayed]

I loved seeing Neeson and Murphy again. So glad I stayed spoiler free for this.

 

[Beast Legacy]

I like your full name better...ROBIN.

Uggh, such a bad movie.

Most people wouldn't understand if he said "Richard Grayson" or any other familiar Robin name. Plus like I said, I think it's more symbolic for the viewer than anything. I don't know, I guess I'm used to extrapolating ideas from the original comics and mixing and matching (Marvel's Ultimate Universe).

 

[Solo]

You have to wonder what Bane and Talia's relationship was like. Maybe that's why he really gave it to Batman.

When I beat you into the friendzone, you have my permission to die.

 

[hlhbk]

I like your full name better...ROBIN.

Such a great movie.!!!!!

I agree!

 

[Dead]

You have to wonder what Bane and Talia's relationship was like. Maybe that's why he really gave it to Batman.

Friendzoned

edit: curse you solo

 

[Sojgat]

Actaully, now I figured out what Bane's voice reminded me of. No it's not Sean Connery (apart from the prologue). It sounded a little like Apocalyse in the 90's X-Men cartoon.

Which is awesome, of course.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYt78FWfa5M&feature=related

Hmmmm, maybe. I definitely hear it.

 

[Eidan]

You have to wonder what Bane and Talia's relationship was like. Maybe that's why he really gave it to Batman.

Talia referred to him as a friend. I didn't got the impression that they were very close, but platonic.

 

[friskykillface]

lol didn't know Hines Ward was in the movie, thought it was him when i saw it

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

So after Bruce killed Ras (sorry, didn't save him) and stopped his plan, he then manages to stop Ras' plan a second time and fucks his daughter in the process.

Immortal Ras rolling in his grave.

RISE

 

[ViewtifulJC]

When Bane cried, that was the first time he really looked like Hardy underneath that mask

 

[CrocMother]

It IS rather interesting to think about some of ways Nolan DIRECTLY contradicted himself with this movie.

- he has said since day one that he doesn't think in terms of sequels, but rather that each film is its own entity - and yet here is a film that leans almost the entirety of its weight on BB (and TDK to a lesser extent)
- he has said since day one that he has no intention of bringing Robin into the fold - and yet there he is

1) Yeah, I think Nolan went into the third batman with very little idea of what he was going to do so he and his brother leaned heavily on the previous entries for plot . Regardless, I would say that each movie is very much its own entity, while still remaining a coherent trilogy.

2) JGL's character was Robin only in name.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

Friendzoned

edit: curse you solo

Wasn't Bane a full grown mafucker when Talia was a small child? He must be way older than her. Which also makes me wonder how old Bane is in TDKR. Must be even older than Bruce!

Did Bruce fuck some jail-bait?


TIME IS SO CONFUSING IN THIS MOVIE.

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

I don't think we know either way... but by the end of the film... I took it to mean that Bane.. the man he is now was born in the pit

Since.. he wears the mask and all because of what happened to him down there.

But, he says something to Batman about not having seen sunlight until he was older, which I assume means he was born in the pit. To me it kind of seemed like some of what we were told about his background didn't make sense once we found out Talia was the child.

Another random little confusing thing. He tells CIA dude at the start that nobody gave a fuck who he was until he put the mask on. Seems like a weird thing to say if he had been wearing that mask for years. Maybe he didn't wear it when he was with the LoS or something, I dunno.

 

[CrocMother]

lol didn't know Hines Ward was in the movie, thought it was him when i saw it

This was the only part of the audience reaction pissed me off. Everyone who recognized him had to fucking whisper about it right when the awesome explosion scene was about to happen.

Wasn't Bane a full grown mafucker when Talia was a small child? He must be way older than her. Which also makes me wonder how old Bane is in TDKR. Must be even older than Bruce!

Did Bruce fuck some jail-bait?


TIME IS SO CONFUSING IN THIS MOVIE.

Also take into account how young Ra's was in that scene as well. It was a long fucking time ago so I would imagine that Talia is closer to Bruce's age than Bane.

 

[Dead]

1) Yeah, I think Nolan went into the third batman with very little idea of what he was going to do so he and his brother leaned heavily on the previous entries for plot . Regardless, I would say that each movie is very much its own entity, while still remaining a coherent trilogy.

2) JGL's character was Robin only in name.

Dont really agree. I felt his personality, actions and backstory was clearly inspired from the various comic book Robins.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Wasn't Bane a full grown mafucker when Talia was a small child? He must be way older than her. Which also makes me wonder how old Bane is in TDKR. Must be even older than Bruce!

Did Bruce fuck some jail-bait?


TIME IS SO CONFUSING IN THIS MOVIE.

But, is Talia Al Ghul immortal?

Is her vagina...supernatural?

 

[Totakeke]

But, he says something to Batman about not having seen sunlight until he was older, which I assume means he was born in the pit. To me it kind of seemed like some of what we were told about his background didn't make sense once we found out Talia was the child.

Another random little confusing thing. He tells CIA dude at the start that nobody gave a fuck who he was until he put the mask on. Seems like a weird thing to say if he had been wearing that mask for years. Maybe he didn't wear it when he was with the LoS or something, I dunno.

Bane saying he was born in the darkness could be a misdirection, or could be just that he's saying he spent most of his life in the prison.

As for the mask, well it kinda made sense if he was talking about his whole life. He saved child Talia, got beaten up and horribly disfigured. When Ras came and took control of the prison, he was just sitting in a corner silently with his face wrapped up. Obviously no one cared about him then.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

So I probably need to get my eyes checked, but did anyone else think, after watching the trailer, that it was Christian Bale who said "What are you?" to Bane?

 

[Solo]

To be fair, I think Robin was clearly modeled to be the next Batman, not "Robin, the boy wonder". Bruce knew this too. That's why he gave Robin directions to the Batcave, and that's why he gave Gordon a new bat signal.

I can now see why WB weren't happy with the ending. You can't make a Batman movie without Bruce Wayne, so Nolan has basically forced them into a reboot. Clever girl.

 

[Ithil]

So I probably need to get my eyes checked, but did anyone else think, after watching the trailer, that it was Christian Bale who said "What are you?" to Bane?

Yeah, I did too.

 

[Eidan]

Isn't Daggett on screen when he says the question?

 

[Ithil]

Isn't Daggett on screen when he says the question?

Yes. Hence why we need our eyes testing.

 

[Totakeke]

Isn't Daggett on screen when he says the question?

He is, that was from him.

 

[PunjabiPlaya]

Idk if it was just me, but that scene where Bruce breaks into Gordon's room at the hospital with the ski mask on, I couldn't help but only see him as Jon from Delocated. Made me laugh.

Movie was great I thought.

 

[Escape Goat]

2) JGL's character was Robin only in name.

He deduced Batman's identity as a kid by himself like Tim Drake. He's the heir to the Bat legacy. Sounds kinda like a Robin to me.

 

[CrocMother]

Dont really agree. I felt his personality, actions and backstory was clearly inspired from the various comic book Robins.

I admittedly never read the comics, but I thought Robin had some sort of gymnastic background? Bruce was trained by the league of shadows, the "robin" in this movie is a retired cop. I don't know how you would explain a sudden rise to Batman's level of physical prowess unless a shitload of technology was involved.

 

[soundscream]

Why is everyone saying JGL is Robin?

He said he wouldnt do Robin, and to have his name be Robin, is Nolan having a little fun with that.

He would obviously take up the cowl as Batman. Mainly due to the fact he doesnt have Bruce's money and would have to rely on whatever was left in the Bat Cave.

I know it wont happen but a 4th movie with JGL as a back to basics Batman without the tech would have been kind of awesome.

 

[SCULLIBUNDO]

To be fair, I think Robin was clearly modeled to be the next Batman, not "Robin, the boy wonder". Bruce knew this too. That's why he gave Robin directions to the Batcave, and that's why he gave Gordon a new bat signal.

I can now see why WB weren't happy with the ending. You can't make a Batman movie without Bruce Wayne, so Nolan has basically forced them into a reboot. Clever girl.

But he didn't need to. They would have been forced to reboot without that JGL bullshit anyway since NONE of the main players (Bale, Caine, Freeman, Oldman etc) would return without Nolan.

I really hated the inclusion of JGL's character.

 

[Eidan]

He deduced Batman's identity as a kid by himself like Tim Drake. He's the heir to the Bat legacy. Sounds kinda like a Robin to me.

I thought the same thing.

 

[Ithil]

I admittedly never read the comics, but I thought Robin had some sort of gymnastic background? Bruce was trained by the league of shadows, the "robin" in this movie is a retired cop. I don't know how you would explain a sudden rise to Batman's level of physical prowess unless a shitload of technology was involved.

That's Dick Grayson, the first Robin, yeah. But there's more than one, this one was like a combination of them all.

 

[Lord Snow]

Easily one of the best films I have ever seen. Bane was brilliant but in some scenes I could barely make out what he was saying which was annoying.

 

[Dead]

I admittedly never read the comics, but I thought Robin had some sort of gymnastic background? Bruce was trained by the league of shadows, the "robin" in this movie is a retired cop. I don't know how you would explain a sudden rise to Batman's level of physical prowess unless a shitload of technology was involved.

There are 3 different Robins (well 4 now actually). The clearest parellel is the third Robin, Tim Drake, who was an orphan was figured out Batmans identity on his own and was overall the most detective like of all the Robins.

 

[Jarmel]

Why is everyone saying JGL is Robin?

He said he wouldnt do Robin, and to have his name be Robin, is Nolan having a little fun with that.

He would obviously take up the cowl as Batman. Mainly due to the fact he doesnt have Bruce's money and would have to rely on whatever was left in the Bat Cave.

I know it wont happen but a 4th movie with JGL as a back to basics Batman without the tech would have been kind of awesome.

Alfred has control of the money and it seems Alfred is hanging around Gotham for the most part. So guess who's getting funded?

 

[GQman2121]

A few tiny mistakes people have made in the last few pages:

- Alfred's story about seeing Bruce in Florence Italy. It was actually a city in the South of France - not Marseille.

- That Bane's mask administered drugs to ease his pain. It only suppressed the sound of the pain that he was consistently in. I suppose that could be used to explain the varying pitches that his voiced experienced throughout the movie.

 

[Escape Goat]

Why is everyone saying JGL is Robin?

He said he wouldnt do Robin, and to have his name be Robin, is Nolan having a little fun with that.

He would obviously take up the cowl as Batman. Mainly due to the fact he doesnt have Bruce's money and would have to rely on whatever was left in the Bat Cave.

I know it wont happen but a 4th movie with JGL as a back to basics Batman without the tech would have been kind of awesome.

Clearly, he isn't Robin The Boy Wonder. Nothing is said about Blake or his future plans. But he does share a lot of characteristics of various Robins from the comics. For all intents and purpoes, John Blake would be Nolan's Robin.