I thought... could be wrong... that Bruce snuck the coordinates of the Batcave to him... he finds a piece of paper in his gear with the coordinates and that's where he goes
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I thought... could be wrong... that Bruce snuck the coordinates of the Batcave to him... he finds a piece of paper in his gear with the coordinates and that's where he goes
And then it's the second best movie in your opinion? How is that terrible?
Hero_of_the_Day
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As someone who didn't care for this movie, you sound like an ass. This shit is just as bad as the people saying anyone who doesn't like it are just nitpicking contrarians.
Beast Legacy
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Just coming back from seeing it I'm surprised at the amount of hate it's getting. Certainly there were flaws but I felt it was enjoyable and a decent way to end the Nolanverse.
then your opinion of cinema is invalid.
If you knew anything about film you would know what a stupid thing you just said.
Thats a massive insult to cinema.Blade runner is a masterpiece on the level of 2001 space Odyssey
No, he got the coordinates at the reading of Bruce's will. After he gave his real name.
Opinions gonna opinionate.
CrocMother
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disagreed. I loved both but TDKR has a better tone and feel. I wasn't antsy to rewatch Avengers but I can't wait to see this again...and again.
I liked Avengers a lot, and can be considered a Whedon fan. But nothing in that movie can come close to the emotional impact that DKR had for me. Seeing Bruce and Alfred part ways, seeing Batman broken before Bane, that fucking ending. Nothing in Avengers comes even remotely close.
The Anti-Monitor
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The comparisons with Avengers are extremely odd. They're not the same thing, and they didn't try to be the same thing.
I think Avengers was more succesful on what it wanted to be, but TDKR was pretty good.
I think Avengers was more succesful on what it wanted to be, but TDKR was pretty good.
So I have a question. Was the Bane and Talia relationship and origin taken from any comics?
Because I couldn't help noticing the basic origin plot for Bane is identical to Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman's characters from Star Trek: Nemesis, where Hardy was an orphan child in a underground prison, and was protected by Perlman.
Not really, Bane wanted to bang her during the Legacy storyline when he was Ra's al Ghul's new Ubu but that's probably about the extent of their connection. Bane did grow up in a prison though, and was a very smart customer, meant to equal Batman mentally and surpass him physically. God that's right, Hardy was in the second worst Trek film.
when the twist was revealed, Bane's role seemed to mimic the protector role of Ra's bald right hand man in TAS
Bane was that guy (Ubu) for about 4 issues during the massive Legacy crossover.
I'm trying to find the link between this rant and TDKR. Yes, Blade Runner and 2001 are masterpieces. What's that got to do with the price of weaponized hallucinogens in Gotham?
Auron_Kale
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Though different, I hold Avengers in higher regard as the better summer blockbuster due to me solely wanting to watch superheroes beat the crap out of each other before teaming up to kill some aliens.
This is second though for me this year really.
I was just responding to your "best summer blockbuster" comment because it's clearly not.
It's not TERRIBLE. It's just really messy, nonsensical at points, boring at some points, corny at some points, and flawed.
It's still nice to watch, but it's not a masterpiece and it's completely overrated from what you'd have expected from the hype
The word amazing doesn't indicate quality that of a perfect 10.
Quit while you're behind. You're pissing people off that agree with you and that should tell you something. I don't even like Blade Runner. I fall asleep when watching it every damn time.
I can tell you and I will get along just swell.
By the way, I like the Bill Murray comedy What About Bob more than 2001. Please school me in being a better lover of cinema.
I'm trying to see if this is real or sarcasm...
For some reason it reminds me of the gaming side meme, "I'm an expert at Japanese culture"
Hype from people... that have not watched the movie? The reviews weren't all positive anyway.
Beast Legacy
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I realize people will make the comparison because both are superhero movies, but Marvel's Movieverse/The Avengers and Nolan's Batman trilogy are complete worlds apart. They are each aiming for different things, both in subject matter and tone.
In commercials when they showed Bruce in prison, I thought that old guy talking to Bruce was Alfred.
Obviously the two are completely different in tone. Avengers was not trying to make you cry. Avengers was a lot better put together. More cohesive. And a better watch. Although it still had a lot of problems which you can read in my review here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=37656548#post37656548
The Avengers love perplexes me greatly. I honestly dont get it, and im someone that typically gets GAF. I mean the movie felt fucking dumb. Dialog was light and tried too hard to be witty. Every location felt like a generic sci-fi set, all artificially contructed. There was no filming style at all, nothing to give the film a unique look.
The only thing i liked about it was occasionally characters were funny and the last action battle was entertaining. But movies like Dark Knight are just on another level altogether i feel.
oh yeah, IMHO
The only thing i liked about it was occasionally characters were funny and the last action battle was entertaining. But movies like Dark Knight are just on another level altogether i feel.
oh yeah, IMHO
Auron_Kale
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Ra's had the better death out of the al Ghouls' really.
blainethemono
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could be it too, I think I was kind of distracted during some scenes. went to the marathon and was already kind of tired midway through TDK. He seemed to not feel any pain until Batman broke his mask. I need to see it again
I've never got the notion of simply comparing films.
Like you said going for completely different things, and for the most part all achieve what they aimed to do.
Ninja Scooter
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I don't understand people being so worked up, or turned off by the "Robin" thing. I saw it as a simple wink/nod at the end of the movie to the fans, like an easter egg. NOlan didn't renig on his feeling that "Robin" didn't fit in to the Nolanverse. There was no Robin. The way some of you are reacting you'd think JGL dropped down during the final fight scene between Batman and Bane wearing black spandex and a raccoon mask. The idea is simply that Blake is going to somehow carry on Bruce's work. IT's left open ended and could mean a number of things. Maybe he does become "Robin". Maybe he takes over as Batman. Maybe he works in the background with Gordon and his men, using Bruce's tech, Oracle style (from what we saw, he wasn't exactly the most capable fighter, and unlike Bruce, he's not going to have ninjas to teach him how to fuck shit up). I think the whole point of that was just to show that Bruce accomplished what he set out to do, to create a symbol or legend that can be carried on, not to make you picture JGL in a batman suit.
Secret Fawful
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Yeah...I noticed that too.
Her death was bad. HOWEVER, there was a GREAT piece of symmetry between Rhas' death and the crash that led to Talia's death.
Rhas died in the train when it went off the rails and crashed down into the streets. Talia was done for when he truck crashed down off the street into the lower level. The visual there couldn't have been coincidental.
I haven't seen The Avengers, and even though I think TDKR was a bit of a let down, the tone of the first two movies is still there and it's pretty magical. The Avengers is popcorn action to the bone, Nolan's Batman Trilogy is a whole other beast. Nolan, if anything, showed us that super hero movies can have the emotional weight of a drama while delivering the action of a popcorn flick. I wish more were done that way. Iron Man could easily have done that instead of trying to be funny all the time. Explore alcoholism and daddy issues more.
It's pretty clear the he becomes Robin, or Batman #2 (essentially the same thing here). Him inheriting the cave, swinging into it, and then ascending on that platform was more than a wink. Just uggh.
It's not necessarily about crying so much as making me invested in the characters. I was saddened by Bruce and Alfred's falling out, I was horrified at seeing Batman so easily bested by Bane, and I was just moved at seeing Bruce finally living a happy, normal life.
The most Avengers ever did was make me think "That's cool". Which is by no means a bad thing. It's a great thing, since I loved the movie. But TDKR was able to make me care in a way Avengers simply couldn't.
Yeah, I liked that parallel a lot.
The dialogue lowers her death automatically, but the forced dead weight head was so bad looking to me.
Auron_Kale
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It was a bad death for her, but yeah, I did like that there was a nod to Ra's in her death.
Again, Ra's just had the better death compared to Talia.
No disagreement there. It made me chuckle. It was so theatrical and over the top. Especially contrasted to Rhas, who had one of the great villain deaths. Closed his eyes, likely had a last thought about his dead wife, then embraced his death like a boss.
Ninja Scooter
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Nothing is clear. He finds the bat cave. What he does from there will never be known because Nolan is not going to make another DK or Robin movie. I think it was meant to show that Wayne doesn't have to carry on the legacy on his own. He got what he wanted way back in Begins, to inspire people to do good. The rest was just a wink/nod thing with Nolan having fun with the Robin name.
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Exactly. I really liked it.
Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
I don't see anything wrong with that. Bruce is passing down the torch, what JGL does it is his own choice. Robin, Batman 2.0 or Nightwing... he will carry on the symbol in his own way. If he continues on as Robin then I don't have a problem with that either because it's not like it's going to be Nola directing a Robin movie anyway.
at least the people who decide awards and the critic agree with me.
ViewtifulJC
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TDK > Avengers > TDKR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASM/Promtheus
Oh, those people who didn't even nominee your lauded masterpieces 2001 or Blade Runner?
Kid, please stop
Oh, those people who didn't even nominee your lauded masterpieces 2001 or Blade Runner?
Kid, please stop
Barrage
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I thought the movie was incredible, and that the character of Bane was incredibly engrossing.
While I was down JGL taking over the mantle, I cant get with the whole "Seina and Bruce living in Florence" thing.
I just can't see Bruce Wayne retiring. Bruce Wayne, as has been shown in almost all modern interpretations, is not a mentally healthy person. If the next psychopath attacks Gotham, I can't see Wayne saying "the new guy will handle it". Batman is an extension of Gotham City. Gothma wil have good times, and bad times, but it will never not need a protector. And I understand Blake will now be that protector. But I think they shoud've shown Bruce with a limp or something at the end, because I can't see Bruce not being Batman if he's still-in any way-physicaly able to continue.
While I was down JGL taking over the mantle, I cant get with the whole "Seina and Bruce living in Florence" thing.
I just can't see Bruce Wayne retiring. Bruce Wayne, as has been shown in almost all modern interpretations, is not a mentally healthy person. If the next psychopath attacks Gotham, I can't see Wayne saying "the new guy will handle it". Batman is an extension of Gotham City. Gothma wil have good times, and bad times, but it will never not need a protector. And I understand Blake will now be that protector. But I think they shoud've shown Bruce with a limp or something at the end, because I can't see Bruce not being Batman if he's still-in any way-physicaly able to continue.
Secret Fawful
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I thought it was wonderful. Seeing JGL swing into the cave like that....seeing a good Robin on screen doing an acrobatic like that...it's something I wanted to see as a Batman fan my whole life.
So good.
Well said. I agree 100%.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Surprised nobody has mentioned the return of Mr. 'The apple has fallen very far from the tree.'
Awards and critics. Hahahahaha.
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