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Secret Fawful said:
I thought it was wonderful. Seeing JGL swing into the cave like that....seeing a good Robin on screen doing an acrobatic like that...it's something I wanted to see as a Batman fan my whole life.

So good.
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JGL is horrible. Like on Jeremy Renner levels. He's not lead actor material, nor should he be an action star.
 
The truck falling down at the end was a super cool shot. I bet they actually did that.
 
Maybe I completely missed it, but did they explain why Bruce's leg was fucked up? Did that happen at the end of TDK? I felt dumb not knowing.

Also while I really liked Bane, there was a lot of dialogue that was difficult to understand. I hope this will be similar to TDK, which I had a similar problem with in theaters but was a lot easier to get at home. Must be something with the way it's mixed for theatre sound systems or something. Another small issue for me was that sometimes Hardy's accent as Bane would get a little over the top. Sometimes he sounded like a voice you'd expect to hear from an old dude with a funny mustache, a monocle and a bowler hat.

Ditto on the Talia death scene. I still hate the whole "people immediately die with their eyes closed" thing that movies still do. Worse for me was Foley's death when he gets shot and next thing you see is him lying on the floor with his eyes closed like he's sleeping. Not a big deal though.

Strange thing at my showing, like half the theatre erupted in applause when Bane beat Batman after their first fight. A couple of people got mad and shushed them.
 
who else couldnt believe the stupidity in the scene where bruce gets his back fixed.

HIS VERTEBRAE WAS STICKING OUT OF HIS BACK.HE SHOULDVE BEEN UNCONSCIOUS.He needed serious back surgery.



A rope fixed it lololololol.

Oh and he has no cartilage.He shouldnt be able to move.No machine could fix it that quick.Plus he used it on hls knee only.
 
JGL has way more charisma than Jeremy Renner. He's a solid actor and he did a great job in TDKR.

While I can't quite get behind him in the lead role of an action movie (he's a great support role though), I just think the hate is completely unwarranted.

who else couldnt believe the stupidity in the scene where bruce gets his back fixed.

HIS VERTEBRAE WAS STICKING OUT OF HIS BACK.HE SHOULDVE BEEN UNCONSCIOUS.He needed serious back surgery.

A rope fixed it lololololol.

Oh and he has no cartilage.He shouldnt be able to move.No machine could fix it that quick.Plus he used it on hls knee only.
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This is in line where a guy who has half of his face blown up goes around killing people. His eye ball shouldn't even have been in the socket much less be functional.

And no one really saw the vertebra stick out to be honest so we really don't know the true nature of the injury.
 
Barrage said:
I thought the movie was incredible, and that the character of Bane was incredibly engrossing.

While I was down JGL taking over the mantle, I cant get with the whole "Seina and Bruce living in Florence" thing.

I just can't see Bruce Wayne retiring. Bruce Wayne, as has been shown in almost all modern interpretations, is not a mentally healthy person. If the next psychopath attacks Gotham, I can't see Wayne saying "the new guy will handle it". Batman is an extension of Gotham City. Gothma wil have good times, and bad times, but it will never not need a protector. And I understand Blake will now be that protector. But I think they shoud've shown Bruce with a limp or something at the end, because I can't see Bruce not being Batman if he's still-in any way-physicaly able to continue.
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Nolan's Bruce isnt comic Bruce

Even from Batman Begins he really had more of a need to channel his anger more than devote his entire life to fighting crime in Gotham.

The fact that he would even think about settling down with Rachel after they cleaned up the streets shows that this is a very different Batman/ Bruce


That and his detective skills, judgement and adaptability are 1/6th what they are in the books/TAS
 
Solo said:
Probably from the fall at the end of TDK. They did fall like 70 feet.
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That's what I figured. For some reason I pictured him running away towards the camera at the end of TDK, but then I remembered he took off on the bat pod. I think I mixed up the "running away" scene with the one in Batman Forever lol.


Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Do most people in here really dislike the Scarecrow cameo?
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I thought it was cool. And the set they had made up, with the makeshift judge's "bench" was nice. Reminded me of something you'd see in the Animated series or comics.

One thing that was kind of surprising to me was that there was ZERO mention or even allusion to Joker, not even in passing. I wonder if it is out of respect from Nolan to Ledger's performance, like he wants to let it all rest in peace or something.
 
Thinking about still, but yeah, after one viewing, prison sequence (training, Rhas, fuckawesome climbing scene with the chanting) is the highlight for me.
 
For all the shit the Nolans get for their scripts, I really like that they didn't cheat their way out of the end of TDK. Gordon was much more bitter and generally less likable. It would have been easy to brush over it.
 
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:
Do most people in here really dislike the Scarecrow cameo?
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No, I loved it. After his TDK cameo, I frankly would have been disappointed not to see him appear. And I loved that he was back into the "legal" system, lolz. Even better? He was a judge? Even better? He rendered only two verdicts: exile, or death. By exile.
 
DrForester said:
It seemed off to me, and in my mind, I was remembering that Batman TAS episode where Batman is tried by criminals, and I could only think of how much better the scene would have been with Joker Judge.
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yes... it also made me think what if... :(

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DrForester said:
I was remembering that Batman TAS episode where Batman is tried by criminals, and I could only think of how much better the scene would have been with Joker Judge.
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That was the first thing I thought of during.

I loved the cameo. I had no clue that he was going to be in the film.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
I don't understand people being so worked up, or turned off by the "Robin" thing. I saw it as a simple wink/nod at the end of the movie to the fans, like an easter egg. NOlan didn't renig on his feeling that "Robin" didn't fit in to the Nolanverse. There was no Robin. The way some of you are reacting you'd think JGL dropped down during the final fight scene between Batman and Bane wearing black spandex and a raccoon mask. The idea is simply that Blake is going to somehow carry on Bruce's work. IT's left open ended and could mean a number of things. Maybe he does become "Robin". Maybe he takes over as Batman. Maybe he works in the background with Gordon and his men, using Bruce's tech, Oracle style (from what we saw, he wasn't exactly the most capable fighter, and unlike Bruce, he's not going to have ninjas to teach him how to fuck shit up). I think the whole point of that was just to show that Bruce accomplished what he set out to do, to create a symbol or legend that can be carried on, not to make you picture JGL in a batman suit.
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Agree 100%

That's what I like about it
 
I did really like the story and glimpses of what actually happened to Ras' great love. That's one thing I feel that actually does inform Begins, as opposed to fucking anything up.
 
Amuroray said:
Dont know why you are laughing.

Their importance in cinema and gaming is massive.

Can make or break careers
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I'm pretty sure neither this nor the Avengers is going to win Oscars, and I'm also pretty sure both Whedon and Nolan's careers are going to survive it, somehow.
 
Rez said:
For all the shit the Nolans get for their scripts, I really like that they didn't cheat their way out of the end of TDK. Gordon was much more bitter and generally less likable. It would have been easy to brush over it.
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Poor Gordon even lost his family over it... was wondering how they were going to deal with it. :(
 
Amuroray said:
But come on,amazing?

Wow.That would mean you havent seen many films.
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I've seen plenty of films. I'm not swayed at all by people who think the breadth of their movie viewing gives them the power to deem which films are and aren't allowed to be amazing. I thought TDKR was pretty amazing. That doesn't mean I'm making an apples to apples comparison to 2001: A Space Odyssey, though, since your categorical hierarchy seems to be so linear. For how far this movie, and the trilogy as a whole, elevated the comic book genre I think it is quite amazing. For how ambitiously and thoroughly it tackled the themes presented in all three movies, I think it's amazing. For how well done the cinematography was throughout the series, I think it's amazng. No, it's not Casablanca. It was never trying to be. It's a series of action blockbusters and, in my opinion, is possibly the most solid trilogy that's been made of the sort. I don't understand a lot of people's qualms with it.

A few points I'd like to argue:

-The last shot isn't about Robin Blake Griffin, it's about Batman. The mantle has been passed on and Batman has truly become more than a man.

-If you couldn't understand Bane that's unfortunate, but I understood him fine in both showings that I went to, so it's not an objective flaw.

-Aside from superheroes being the main characters, Avengers and TDKR have very little in common. I enjoyed both. Yes, I enjoyed TDKR more, but that doesn't detract from The Avengers. It'd be like comparing Abe Lincoln: Vampire Hunter to Spielberg's upcoming Lincoln film. I feel that it's a distraction of superficial commonalities that fall apart when you really dig into either film.

-Juno Temple's character seemed pointless. If anyone would like to explain her purpose to me I'd appreciate it.


Overall, probably my favorite in the trilogy. It just felt so... ambitious.

edit- also, I'm a little wishy-washy on Jonathan Crane's cameo. At first I thought it was charming, but now I think it's a bit hard to take seriously.
 
Amuroray said:
Dont know why you are laughing.

Their importance in cinema and gaming is massive.

Can make or break careers
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Except this movie is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars no matter what either party has to say. The movie is 86% on RT. Blade Runner is only 92%.
 
Dahbomb said:
JGL has way more charisma than Jeremy Renner. He's a solid actor and he did a great job in TDKR.

While I can't quite get behind him in the lead role of an action movie (he's a great support role though), I just think the hate is completely unwarranted.

who else couldnt believe the stupidity in the scene where bruce gets his back fixed.


This is in line where a guy who has half of his face blown up goes around killing people. His eye ball shouldn't even have been in the socket much less be functional.

And no one really saw the vertebra stick out to be honest so we really don't know the true nature of the injury.
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That man said his vertebra was sticking out.That sort of plot shouldnt be ok.Its massive
 
Ninja Scooter said:
Maybe I completely missed it, but did they explain why Bruce's leg was fucked up? Did that happen at the end of TDK? I felt dumb not knowing.

Also while I really liked Bane, there was a lot of dialogue that was difficult to understand. I hope this will be similar to TDK, which I had a similar problem with in theaters but was a lot easier to get at home. Must be something with the way it's mixed for theatre sound systems or something. Another small issue for me was that sometimes Hardy's accent as Bane would get a little over the top. Sometimes he sounded like a voice you'd expect to hear from an old dude with a funny mustache, a monocle and a bowler hat.

Ditto on the Talia death scene. I still hate the whole "people immediately die with their eyes closed" thing that movies still do. Worse for me was Foley's death when he gets shot and next thing you see is him lying on the floor with his eyes closed like he's sleeping. Not a big deal though.

Strange thing at my showing, like half the theatre erupted in applause when Bane beat Batman after their first fight. A couple of people got mad and shushed them.
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Hardy modelled Bane's accent after a bare knuckle gypsy boxer. It really reminded me of Hugo Strange (both from Arkham City and TAS). And ditto, there was one or two lines that I missed because it was too thick.
 
So something is really confusing me. How the fuck does Bruce connect Bane to Ra's? Are we to assume that Ra's was just a symptom of Bruce's deluded state, or did Ra's actually mystically appear before Bruce? If it's the latter, why would he lie about Bane being his son? If it's the former, what are the chances that a vision brought about by delusion could make the connection of the story the inmates told him to Ra's?
 
vferrel said:
It was great. It's a nice callback to existing characters of the series.

That's also another thing that kinda bugged me; they made no mention of The Joker at all. I know why, but it still sucked.
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I'm not sure a mention would have been appropriate or serve the character any justice. Even if Crane was swapped for Joker, not sure it would have been the same.

Seeing the film again tomorrow in IMAX, in a tempurpedic seat this time. Can't wait.
 
Arment said:
Except this movie is going to make hundreds of millions of dollars no matter what either party has to say. The movie is 86% on RT. Blade Runner is only 92%.
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RT is of no use for old films.You should know that by now.

Avatar made loads of money so did spider man 3.

Means nothing
 
Salvor.Hardin said:
So something is really confusing me. How the fuck does Bruce connect Bane to Ra's? Are we to assume that Ra's was just a symptom of Bruce's deluded state, or did Ra's actually mystically appear before Bruce? If it's the latter, why would he lie about Bane being his son? If it's the former, what are the chances that a vision brought about by delusion could make the connection of the story the inmates told him to Ra's?
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Alfred spoiled the movie for Bruce.
 
Man, I loved the Rhas scene so much. So why did they have to end it with TV-level disappearing effects and a "look, he's a ghost you dummies!" anvil drop?

:_(
 
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