ryutaro's mama
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I can see it being interpreted that way.
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I can see it being interpreted that way.
SpeedingUptoStop
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I don't think any one is talking about the funniest line in the movie, where in the beginning Bruce straight up accuses Luciius out of losing all his fucking money in the most sly bastard way possible, lol. I was kind of the only one lmao at that, but it got to me.
IamMattFox
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When Alfred was telling the disheveled Bruce about Rachel's note I couldn't help but think of "The night your father died, I... I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body came from his Glider."It was like Nolan looked at Spider-Man 3's retcon and went "Fuck it, I'll try it. I can do it better!"
Mainly because of Bat-Gaf's constant referencing of that scene in all the other threads.
-Pyromaniac-
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yeah the fact that they clearly pointed out that he's a smart dude that can put things together sold it enough for meI think it was implied by how neatly everything was tied up in a bow for Black that Bruce had faked it. He obviously amended that will VERY recently to turn Wayne Manor into a boys home, to leave Robin the Batcave coordinates, etc. And Robin is a smart guy. For me that made it clear that he too knew Bruce was alive and had passed the torch to him.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
I can see it being interpreted that way.
How else could it be?
Not trying to be an ass, I'm just not sure what else you would get out of it.
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BuddyJoeHooker
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did anyone else LOL hard at that shot, when Talia was dying, of the three of them staring at her, almost right at the camera? it was one of the most unintentionally hilarious DERP shots I think I've ever seen.
talking about completely killing any dramatic tension that, well, the scene didn't have, so whatever, I don't suppose it actually hurt anything.
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I agree with this, the shot of Bats, Catwoman and Gordon watching her speak her last words was really awkward.
Face down on a steering wheel was really weak.
demosthenes
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Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
Yes but I accept/respect Nolan and his reasons for not doing it.
nckillthegrimace
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When Alfred was telling the disheveled Bruce about Rachel's note I couldn't help but think of "The night your father died, I... I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body came from his Glider."
Man, that was a hilarious movie.
ryutaro's mama
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Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
Yeah, I thought it was weird (and I still think that had he lived, Joker would have been the judge instead of Crane).
His omission was completely out of respect and I can...respect that.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
A damn shame considering the joker's final monologue. But what can you do? I agree with and understand the omission.
ViewtifulJC
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Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
Yeah, that felt like a pretty glaring omission. I understand why, but with so many callbaks, they tipped toed around the biggest, most popular elephant in the trilogy.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
It sucks, but it also sucks that Heath is dead and a flashback would have just reminded me of that. All the characters that had flashbacks and didn't show up for new scenes were actually dead in canon.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
I agree. With the amount of fanservice in the film, it's pretty obvious that the only reason the Joker wasn't referenced was because of Heath's death. I don't know if that's what Heath would've wanted but apparently that was how Nolan respected his legacy. It did feel a little odd that the Joker was never mentioned though, since we're basically left to believe that he was the last major threat to Gotham before Bane.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
TDKR is really the spiritual sequel to Begins. It makes TDK's place in the trilogy kind of awkward.
Man, that was a hilarious movie.
It had one of the most unintentionally funny ways of giving a character amnesia I've seen, with Harry flying face first into a pipe.
crazy monkey
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so I guess this is no dark knight. that movie was special.
Ninja Scooter
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What's Bane's deal? Why does he wear a mask? Why's he so pissed? Who is Miranda? First she's trying to get an audience with Bruce, then she throws a charity, then Bruce sleeps with her, then she's a board member, then she's CEO. Why is the bomb set for five months? What was the point of saying a regular person had the detonator? Do people not have boats? What's Selene's connection with Bane? Why is Bruce Wayne initially injured? Why is JGL so mad at Gordon? How did JGL know where to find Gordon from the sewers?
Bane's deal is that he was beat up and left for dead and the Dr. at the prison rigged him up with a face mask that releases some sort of pain medication that keeps him alive and gives him super strength (probably because he can't feel pain?). He is 'pissed' because he is basically trying to finish what the League of Shadows started. Miranda is Talia's fake name and identity she created to try and get close to Bruce, in order to get revenge for her dad who was killed by Bruce, also because Bruce is a pretty powerful guy. She has some sort of "environmental corporation" that is a front for her shenanigans. She was originally going to get in business with WayneCorp 3 years ago for that reactor thing, but then Bruce chickened out because he was afraid it would be used for a weapon. He later goes back and agrees to get in business with Talia because the contract would give her a controlling share of Wayne Industries over Daggett. The bomb isn't set for 5 months, that's just how long it can last away from the reactor before it blows. Bane told everyone a regular person had the detonator to create anarchy and chaos. People wouldn't trust each other if they thought their friend or neighbor could be the person holding their life in their hands. People do have boats. Selena is working for Bane through Daggett because she was promised that if she cooperated they'd erase he record and she could start fresh. Bruce Wayne is injured because he's old and beat up from his days being Batman, and probably from the fall he took when he killed Two Face in TDK. JGL is mad at Gordon because he thinks he's been a coward for letting Batman take the fall for Dent for 8 years. JGL didn't know where to find Dent, but when Foley told him to get lost he went around back to an alternative entrance he must have known about it just so happens that's where the sewer dumped Gordon.
demosthenes
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Yeah, I thought it was weird (and I still think that had he lived, Joker would have been the judge instead of Crane).
His omission was completely out of respect and I can...respect that.
No. This movie would have been very different had Heath been alive.
When Alfred was telling the disheveled Bruce about Rachel's note I couldn't help but think of "The night your father died, I... I cleaned his wound. The blade that pierced his body came from his Glider."
Mainly because of Bat-Gaf's constant referencing of that scene in all the other threads.
I thought it was obvious Alfred has been doing all of the detective work while Howard Hughes Wayne was too busy collecting his pee in mason jars.
Remember, he was in Burma. He knows shit.
billy beane
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I brought this up earlier as well. It does suck, but it's understandable. It would've been interesting to see how he would've been handled in this film if Ledger had not died.Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
MrPink93485
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Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
I don't think it would have been opportunistic to at least acknowledge the Joker's impact on the story as long as they didn't reveal his fate. You know, just, at least mentioning the fact he caused the city to nearly go into chaos. I don't think that would have crossed the line or anything though Nolan having worked with Ledger felt very strongly about the ordeal understandably.
He was pretty pleased by the new Bat symbol, I can tell you that. In fact, I really liked how ALL 5 of the people who know Batman's identity found out he was alive:
- Lucious from the autopilot
- Blake from Bruce's will
- Gordon from the bat symbol
- Selina from being with him, duh
- Alfred from the Florence cafe
What? I don't remember this, how does Gordon know he's alive?
brandonh83
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so I guess this is no dark knight. that movie was special.
If anything TDKR seriously opened my eyes to how phenomenal TDK actually is. Begins is still the best one IMO, but after rewatching TDK last night and TDKR today, I'd have to say that TDK absolutely shits all over this movie.
ryutaro's mama
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How else could it be?
Not trying to be an ass, I'm just not sure what else you would get out of it.
It's possible for someone to think that Bruce left the BatCave to Blake without Blake actually knowing that he was still alive.
Moreso like "Bruce finally trusted me and he is giving me the honor of carrying on his legacy following his demise."
How did Bruce leaving him the BatCave lead Blake to know he was still alive?
I didn't get that at all.
The proceeds and mansion going to the homeless kids
And I still don't think Bruce retired from Being Batman. Where are you guys getting that from?
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't think any one is talking about the funniest line in the movie, where in the beginning Bruce straight up accuses Luciius out of losing all his fucking money in the most sly bastard way possible, lol. I was kind of the only one lmao at that, but it got to me.
I can also vaguely remember Bruce having a shouting match with Selina's blonde friend.
SpeedingUptoStop
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It's just something you have to accept and infer yourself. joker is just too big to be a sideshow and this whole film is so personal to Nolan. He could never do Heath like he did Katie, especially for just a cameo. I think a lot of the true to life heartbreak in the film about Bruce not letting go of Rachel comes from Nolan having to let go of Ledger. To me, that's where the writing came from for him, among the other deeply personal things he included in this movie.Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
For me, I see it as, ideally, Joker got locked up in a super maximum security prison far away from Gotham, inescapable much like Bruce's prison, with a TV of his own. And he's watching the destruction and cackling with glee, a parallel to Bruce's despair. That's how I like to infer his presence in this movie, since I know it's too personal for Nolan to address.
What? I don't remember this, how does Gordon know he's alive?
Gordon goes out onto his normal perch atop the MCU. The Bat symbol, which was SMASHED at the end of TDK, and was shown to be STILL SMASHED earlier in TDKR, is suddenly repaired.
Reagan's BR
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Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
A reference would have been nice. That said, before becoming the clown we all recognize, the Joker was just a second rate thug and I imagine what is what he returned to being once he was locked up and presumably freed when Bane took over.
demosthenes
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Bane's deal is that he was beat up and left for dead and the Dr. at the prison rigged him up with a face mask that releases some sort of pain medication that keeps him alive and gives him super strength (probably because he can't feel pain?). He is 'pissed' because he is basically trying to finish what the League of Shadows started. Miranda is Talia's fake name and identity she created to try and get close to Bruce, in order to get revenge for her dad who was killed by Bruce, also because Bruce is a pretty powerful guy. She has some sort of "environmental corporation" that is a front for her shenanigans. She was originally going to get in business with WayneCorp 3 years ago for that reactor thing, but then Bruce chickened out because he was afraid it would be used for a weapon. He later goes back and agrees to get in business with Talia because the contract would give her a controlling share of Wayne Industries over Daggett. The bomb isn't set for 5 months, that's just how long it can last away from the reactor before it blows. Bane told everyone a regular person had the detonator to create anarchy and chaos. People wouldn't trust each other if they thought their friend or neighbor could be the person holding their life in their hands. People do have boats. Selena is working for Bane through Daggett because she was promised that if she cooperated they'd erase he record and she could start fresh. Bruce Wayne is injured because he's old and beat up from his days being Batman, and probably from the fall he took when he killed Two Face in TDK. JGL is mad at Gordon because he thinks he's been a coward for letting Batman take the fall for Dent for 8 years. JGL didn't know where to find Dent, but when Foley told him to get lost he went around back to an alternative entrance he must have known about it just so happens that's where the sewer dumped Gordon.
You have more patience than I.
And JGL knew where to go b/c that's where the kid's body was found near the start of the movie.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
What would you have done with The Joker?
I guess the only thing I could think of was him smirking in his cell watching Bane.. kind of complete his goal of pushing Gotham into chaos.
CosmicGroinPull
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Have to mention this- the secret entrance to the reactor was cool as hell.
Marion: I can't believe Bruce Wayne is this paranoid
Lucius: I choose to plead the fifth on that one.
Marion: I can't believe Bruce Wayne is this paranoid
Lucius: I choose to plead the fifth on that one.
Did anyone else find it odd how there was so much looking back on the series in this movie, but with the glaring omission of the Joker?
We all know the why - Nolan had no desire to revisit anything tied to Ledger. Which is understandable, but man did it ever feel weird. Rhas, Scarecrow, Dent, Rachel's death - literally ALL the major players and events in Bruce's live were revisited, except the Joker.
That certainly bothered me but I understand the reasoning. It's just a painful reminder what could've been.
demosthenes
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The proceeds and mansion going to the homeless kids
And I still don't think Bruce retired from Being Batman. Where are you guys getting that from?
Everyone thinks he's dead. He gave the keys to the cave to Blake.
Gordon goes out onto his normal perch atop the MCU. The Bat symbol, which was SMASHED at the end of TDK, and was shown to be STILL SMASHED earlier in TDKR, is suddenly repaired.
I thought Gordon did that, to show/symbolize that the city once again accepted Batman.
we.are.the.armada
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I can also vaguely remember Bruce having a shouting match with Selina's blonde friend.
I'm still wondering what happened to that character - she's not from the comics is she? I thought she was Catwoman's sister or girlfriend but was surprised to never see her again. She could've gone to Florence with Bat and Cat.
It's possible for someone to think that Bruce left the BatCave to Blake without Blake actually knowing that he was still alive.
Moreso like "Bruce finally trusted me and he is giving me the honor of carrying on his legacy following his demise."
But when would he have had the opportunity to amend the will except following the death of Batman?
IamMattFox
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Because that was what Alfred's desperate speech in the first act was asking him to do. Live life without the suit.The proceeds and mansion going to the homeless kids
And I still don't think Bruce retired from Being Batman. Where are you guys getting that from?
He was doing that in the final scene.
What would you have done with The Joker?
I don't know, just bringing to light that every other villain was revisited.
I thought Gordon did that, to show/symbolize that the city once again accepted Batman.
I dunno, my reading of Gordon's face was that it was a surprise to him. Which then of course let him know that Bruce is alive.
SpeedingUptoStop
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This man gets it.What would you have done with The Joker?
I guess the only thing I could think of was him smirking in his cell watching Bane.. kind of complete his goal of pushing Gotham into chaos.
ryutaro's mama
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And I still don't think Bruce retired from Being Batman. Where are you guys getting that from?
Did you watch the movie?
FFS, when Alfred describes his dream for Bruce, it's under the premise that Bruce has left Gotham in the rear view; moving on. Closing that chapter.
He faked his death.
They erected a statue.
He passed on the mansion and the cave.
He rid himself of all the trappings of his old life.
Bruce's Batman is retired/dead.
Konex is the only person that doesn't get this it seems.
RBelong2Us
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Damn, looking at this thread makes me feel that a lot of people went in to analyze instead of enjoy what should have been an awesome final experience.
Analyzed to the point of completely missing the point, lol.
Analyzed to the point of completely missing the point, lol.
I dunno, my reading of Gordon's face was that it was a surprise to him. Which then of course let him know that Bruce is alive.
That was my reading. He had the sly and happy "That mother fucker, you got me...." smile going.
BuddyJoeHooker
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I dunno, my reading of Gordon's face was that it was a surprise to him. Which then of course let him know that Bruce is alive.
I thought the city got a new signal to honor him like the statue, if it was Bruce it was extremely subtle.
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