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Bane's deal is that he was beat up and left for dead and the Dr. at the prison rigged him up with a face mask that releases some sort of pain medication that keeps him alive and gives him super strength (probably because he can't feel pain?). He is 'pissed' because he is basically trying to finish what the League of Shadows started. Miranda is Talia's fake name and identity she created to try and get close to Bruce, in order to get revenge for her dad who was killed by Bruce, also because Bruce is a pretty powerful guy. She has some sort of "environmental corporation" that is a front for her shenanigans. She was originally going to get in business with WayneCorp 3 years ago for that reactor thing, but then Bruce chickened out because he was afraid it would be used for a weapon. He later goes back and agrees to get in business with Talia because the contract would give her a controlling share of Wayne Industries over Daggett. The bomb isn't set for 5 months, that's just how long it can last away from the reactor before it blows. Bane told everyone a regular person had the detonator to create anarchy and chaos. People wouldn't trust each other if they thought their friend or neighbor could be the person holding their life in their hands. People do have boats. Selena is working for Bane through Daggett because she was promised that if she cooperated they'd erase he record and she could start fresh. Bruce Wayne is injured because he's old and beat up from his days being Batman, and probably from the fall he took when he killed Two Face in TDK. JGL is mad at Gordon because he thinks he's been a coward for letting Batman take the fall for Dent for 8 years. JGL didn't know where to find Dent, but when Foley told him to get lost he went around back to an alternative entrance he must have known about it just so happens that's where the sewer dumped Gordon.

So what was Bane and Talia's point of doing that whole five month thing and quarantining off Gotham? They had all these demands like if anyone crossed they would blow up the place. But they were going to blow the place up anyway.

So what was the point of the entire last act?

Her "motivation" was to avenge her father and/or fulfill her father's dream. So their plan is to draw the whole thing out for five months while Bruce Wayne watched from a tv in a dungeon? They didn't even have any demands. Did anyone in the US government ask them for any demands?

Horrible movie.
 
And for people complaining about Bruce still being in love with Selina after all that shit she put him through....it's because she's fucking hot. Guys always think with their dick first, it's probably Nolan's most realistic couple ever.
She saved his life and got him to loosen up, which is something his Barman side desperately needed.

His Batman side also prematurely ejaculates, FYI.
 
So what was Bane and Talia's point of doing that whole five month thing and quarantining off Gotham? They had all these demands like if anyone crossed they would blow up the place. But they were going to blow the place up anyway. Her "motivation" was to avenge her father and/or fulfill her father's dream.

So what was the point of the entire last act?

Horrible movie.

Horrible. Still a 7.
 
So what was Bane and Talia's point of doing that whole five month thing and quarantining off Gotham? They had all these demands like if anyone crossed they would blow up the place. But they were going to blow the place up anyway. Her "motivation" was to avenge her father and/or fulfill her father's dream.

So what was the point of the entire last act?

Horrible movie.
7/10!

Its like Im really reading the gaming side!
 
It had one of the most unintentionally funny ways of giving a character amnesia I've seen, with Harry flying face first into a pipe.

Sandman punching a dog in the face, Peter's weirdo immigrant landlord, French Bruce Campbell, creepy-ass butler, the pie scene, emo Peter...man, so good. If you listen to the commentary track on the movie, they refer to it several times as a comedy, which seems like they're rewriting history, but the movie works so well as a comedy that I have no idea what to believe.
 
Just saw it. Hey, what happened to that blonde chick that was with Catwoman? I don't know if she was a lover or sister or something, I've never read the comics.

In the comics blonde girl (or similar character) is a prostitute (so is Selina, blame Frank Miller not me) and Selina's friend, they live together like the hookers with hearts of gold from Pretty Woman. I have no fucking idea what her deal was in the movie she was just there, like Selina's criminal assistant or something. She disappears without trace near the end from what I could tell.
 
Bane had a little monologue in the prison about how giving people hope before killing them is worse than just doing it outright. He likens it to the light coming down from the opening of the pit which basically nobody has been able to climb out of. I'm pretty sure I got that even though that was the one scene in which I had trouble understanding him.
 
Gordon let out like the happiest facial expression ever. Definitely was pleased as hell to see the fixed signal, he knew, no question.

Yep. Like I said, LOVED how all 5 of the people in the knew found it. It was Bruce letting them all know that he is alright. That the dawn had arrived. Really, I thought the final 10 minutes or so was perfect.
 
Did you watch the movie?

FFS, when Alfred describes his dream for Bruce, it's under the premise that Bruce has left Gotham in the rear view; moving on. Closing that chapter.

He faked his death

They erected a statue

He passed on the mansion and the cave

He rid himself of all the trappings of his old life.

Bruce's Batman is retired/dead.

Konex is the only person that doesn't get this it seems.

I WANT TO BELIEVE
 
Sandman punching a dog in the face, Peter's weirdo immigrant landlord, French Bruce Campbell, creepy-ass butler, the pie scene, emo Peter...man, so good. If you listen to the commentary track on the movie, they refer to it several times as a comedy, which seems like they're rewriting history, but the movie works so well as a comedy that I have no idea what to believe.

That and "evil" Peter's sinister demands of...cookies! With nuts.
 
So what was Bane and Talia's point of doing that whole five month thing and quarantining off Gotham? They had all these demands like if anyone crossed they would blow up the place. But they were going to blow the place up anyway.

So what was the point of the entire last act?

Her "motivation" was to avenge her father and/or fulfill her father's dream. So their plan is to draw the whole thing out for five months while Bruce Wayne watched from a tv in a dungeon?

Horrible movie.

wut

Bane explains all of this. The point was to give the people hope, and then tear it away.
 
Bane's deal is that he was beat up and left for dead and the Dr. at the prison rigged him up with a face mask that releases some sort of pain medication that keeps him alive and gives him super strength (probably because he can't feel pain?). He is 'pissed' because he is basically trying to finish what the League of Shadows started. Miranda is Talia's fake name and identity she created to try and get close to Bruce, in order to get revenge for her dad who was killed by Bruce, also because Bruce is a pretty powerful guy. She has some sort of "environmental corporation" that is a front for her shenanigans. She was originally going to get in business with WayneCorp 3 years ago for that reactor thing, but then Bruce chickened out because he was afraid it would be used for a weapon. He later goes back and agrees to get in business with Talia because the contract would give her a controlling share of Wayne Industries over Daggett. The bomb isn't set for 5 months, that's just how long it can last away from the reactor before it blows. Bane told everyone a regular person had the detonator to create anarchy and chaos. People wouldn't trust each other if they thought their friend or neighbor could be the person holding their life in their hands. People do have boats. Selena is working for Bane through Daggett because she was promised that if she cooperated they'd erase he record and she could start fresh. Bruce Wayne is injured because he's old and beat up from his days being Batman, and probably from the fall he took when he killed Two Face in TDK. JGL is mad at Gordon because he thinks he's been a coward for letting Batman take the fall for Dent for 8 years. JGL didn't know where to find Dent, but when Foley told him to get lost he went around back to an alternative entrance he must have known about it just so happens that's where the sewer dumped Gordon.

Sweet, we watched the movie that Korey apparently didn't, because I got all that too.
 
Bane had a little monologue in the prison about how giving people hope before killing them is worse than just doing it outright. He likens it to the light coming down from the hole of the pit which basically nobody has been able to climb out of. I'm pretty sure I got that even though that was the one scene in which I had trouble understanding him.

It basically gave them an excuse for Nolan to work out some half-ass Occupy Wall-Street movement, and then sweep it under the rug for third act giant James bond doomsday device stuff. There's all this chaos with the civilians and shit in that one montage, and then by the third act people are just living inside their houses in fear. It's a weird tonal shift.
 
So what was Bane and Talia's point of doing that whole five month thing and quarantining off Gotham? They had all these demands like if anyone crossed they would blow up the place. But they were going to blow the place up anyway. Her "motivation" was to avenge her father and/or fulfill her father's dream.

So what was the point of the entire last act?

Horrible movie.

To make Batman watch from his jail cell as his city was destroyed and smash his soul, but no he rised!
 
Gordon goes out onto his normal perch atop the MCU. The Bat symbol, which was SMASHED at the end of TDK, and was shown to be STILL SMASHED earlier in TDKR, is suddenly repaired.

Isn't it possible that the same people who erected that statue of Batman...you know...repaired the bat signal?
 
I was trying to figure out why I didn't like "The Bat" but I think I know why now, every time it's shown I felt completely disconnected from batman, the whole machine was fucking awesome but I felt removed from batman and the situation whenever he was in that thing.

Yes. Their take on the Batwing (as I'm going to call it), in addition to the central plot macguffin of the fusion reactor left me thinking of one thing: the Iron Man movies. The sequence where Batman has the missiles chasing him as he flew through the city towards the end was a near verbatim ripoff of the sequences where Iron Man flies away from rockets and flying bad guys in one of the movies (can't quite recall if it was Avengers or IM1/2). It just didn't feel like Batman to me, it felt like Iron Man.

Same with the concept of the sticking in some kind of renewable energy technology and using that as the stakes when the bad guy steals it. It was the arc reactor tech in IM1/2, and while it's not exactly the same, it's a very similar feeling plot device to me in TDKR. I'm not quite sure how they could have remedied this, but nuking the city felt WAY heavy handed compared to the fundamental philosophies of the League of Shadows.

First of all, their entire organization would have gone up in the blast, including Talia and Bane. For an organization that takes the longview on major problems, blowing yourself up to destroy one city doesn't make sense. Second, if the philosophy behind destroying a city when it reaches the peak of its decadence is to allow it to return to balance, how does nuking a city accomplish that? It will be completely uninhabitable for decades from the radiation. It goes against their philosophy of restoring order and makes these villains seem like thugs who want to destroy the city rather than forward thinking, though misguided, good guys. I so very much liked the moral ambiguity of the LoS's ways, it's what made them interesting to me.

Finally, their logic behind why they still wanted to destroy Gotham felt flimsy to me. It seemed like Batman had won, he had cleaned up the streets and fixed Gotham's problems, largely owing to the Dent Act after he hung up the cape. But they try to rationalize it by revealing Dent as a villain who murdered 5 people, not Gotham's white knight. But how does that invalidate any of the things accomplished by the Dent Act? Are the things that Gotham has achieved since the lie was told any less real because they were based on a lie? I don't know, maybe. But does it warrant nuking the entire city? Not in my book.

There are other things I can nitpick, like how Bane's competence at setting up the city for a destruction was absurdly overexaggerated and unrealistic or the fact that a fusion power reactor is not the same a nuclear bomb, but on the whole I still enjoyed the movie immensely, mostly on an emotional and cathartic level. It was a fantastic ending to a trilogy, bringing back so much of the stuff that I loved from BB and putting together an epic story where the stakes were extremely high and felt real to me.
 
How in the world did he survive the bomb. I know they talked about Autopilot but the way it was shot it looked like he was driving it up until the clock hit 0.

Anyway, I loved the movie. I was just wondering if there was some hidden reason hinted at how he survived.
 
I was never under the impression that the signal was fixed by Bruce.

I assumed it was part of the city honoring Batman (erecting the statue etc) and Gordon was happy that he could finally see that Bats got the recognition of the entire city behind him.
 
To make Batman watch from his jail cell as his city was destroyed and smash his soul, but no he rised!

That's a funny point. Because at the end, Bane decides to kill Batman instead of letting him experience the nuke for himself.

wut

Bane explains all of this. The point was to give the people hope, and then tear it away.

Give who hope? The people in Gotham who are in anarchy or hiding in their homes?
 
I was never under the impression that the signal was fixed by Bruce.

I assumed it was part of the city honoring Batman (erecting the statue etc) and Gordon was happy that he could finally see that Bats got the recognition of the entire city behind him.

That or it's not in chronological order and Blake fixed it after finding the cave.
 
I was never under the impression that the signal was fixed by Bruce.

I assumed it was part of the city honoring Batman (erecting the statue etc) and Gordon was happy that he could finally see that Bats got the recognition of the entire city behind him.

I got a more surprised happiness out of it.
 
Have to mention this- the secret entrance to the reactor was cool as hell.


Marion: I can't believe Bruce Wayne is this paranoid

Lucius: I choose to plead the fifth on that one.

the secret entrance that Marion/Talia told Bane where to find it

The late reveal made people believe her role in the grand scheme of things was just to provide a twist but it is amazing how much work she did in the shadows allowing Bane to take all the credit and seem like the clever one
 
I cant believe people think JGL is going to become batman or something. Batman died in this movie. Bruce Wayne died too. (for the general public in the movie at least)
 
In the comics blonde girl (or similar character) is a prostitute (so is Selina, blame Frank Miller not me) and Selina's friend, they live together like the hookers with hearts of gold from Pretty Woman. I have no fucking idea what her deal was in the movie she was just there, like Selina's criminal assistant or something. She disappears without trace near the end from what I could tell.

Oh, alright thanks. I'm guessing that Catwoman had a touching moment with that picture that she saw and did not want to be part of the "storm" anymore, unlike her blonde friend, and they split ways after that. We see Catwoman eager to leave this girl behind a few times IIRC so maybe the blonde was simply a pawn.
 
I was never under the impression that the signal was fixed by Bruce.

I assumed it was part of the city honoring Batman (erecting the statue etc) and Gordon was happy that he could finally see that Bats got the recognition of the entire city behind him.
He would've had that with the Batman statue alone.

The Bat signal was specifically for him. Like the others have said, it's all in his reaction.
 
wut

Bane explains all of this. The point was to give the people hope, and then tear it away.

Yep. Plus Bane was kicked out of the League of Shadows. Ras would have just detonated the bomb but Bane wanted to toy with the people first. That is the kind of thing Bane would have been kicked out for. Bane didn't practice the League's idea of swift justice through destruction; Bane liked to torture people first just as he had been tortured in the prison.
 
I want Bane's 8 Mile notebook of awesome lines.
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"'But we are initiated, aren't we?' Oh fucking tits, that's brilliant!"
 
Why would they? BATMAN IS DEAD in their eyes. It literally makes no sense for anyone but Wayne to have done it.

I dunno, maybe like a monument or something? That's what the police force used to communicate with Batman. It just makes sense for the city to repair it. To remember him.
They did have ''Harvey Dent Day'' afterall.
 
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