The Technomancer
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Also seriously, did this bother no-one else?
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Hero_of_the_Day
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I really hated it last night. After a day, I've calmed on it. I'll see it again some time this week for sure.
XANDER CAGE
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Did anyone else wince/laugh/anything at the stock clapping sound effect used at the very beginning of the film after the mayor's speech? It was so weird. I know this is hella nitpicky but it stuck out to me, especially when right after they use it there's another shot with a perfectly fine sound effect, either original foley work or recorded during the shoot. It's small things like that that really stick out during big budget movies for me. Likewise with the really weird shot of the Bat flying away at night.
Somehow I really doubt it gets better on additional viewings
The Technomancer
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That's probably where I'll end up, minus the whole "seeing it again" part.
Jex
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A better question would be, why would anyone believe Bane when he read the letter on camera. He's just a masked criminal that's holding an entire city hostage. Not exactly a trustworthy and biased source of news.
BeautifulMemory
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I thought he meant the spirit of Batman and by extension the Wayne legacy lives within the decent citizens of Gotham who are willing to stand up for what's right.
Raonak
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I get your point, but I can't think of a single movie i've seen where I've felt exhausted. Inception would probably be the closest trying to wrap my mind around wtf is going on.
TDKR's pacing didn't seem that much different than most movies.
The bruce in prision act mainly. He seemed to barely spend any time there.
JGL will magically have access to a quickly rebounding Wayne Tech and he'll learn a jillion combat styles by watching kung fu movies obviously.
Just like Bruce.
The Technomancer
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Why, when Gordon was escaping from the hospital, why did he basically say "I need to go get on camera"?
"But you'll be killed"
"Then the people will see me killed and realize how bad of a guy Bane is"
WHAT? HE IS THREATENING EVERYONE WITH A NUKE. This is part of the same problem with not being able to believe how easily the city slides into "piss on the rich"
BeautifulMemory
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It's almost like Bruce rehabbed by doing p90x
That's why I probably would have killed him off there. I'm a bastard writer. At least we'd have Alfred for 2/3 of a movie instead of 1/3.
I was angry yesterday. Now I'm just numb. I don't think my opinion's going to shift, but I've had a weird feeling all day due to it.
joeyjoejoeshabadoo
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I don't think he literally meant it could be anyone as The Batman. He was speaking more in terms of becoming heroes. It kind of gives it away when he pretty much tells him he's Bruce.
The Technomancer
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But they could not have done it. Another individual could not have dealt the nuke for a variety of reasons. They set up a situation that was almost uniquely solvable by Batman.
TV doesn't lie.
Even another question would be, why would Gordon even keep the note after he decided not to read it out? You would think he would go home and destroy it.
I can when the movie is called Batman Beyond. JGL would make a pretty good Terry (Robin, Blake whatever you want to call him).
I really thought that quote was for the kids. Most people grow up thinking you can be anything you want to be. Batman's largest appeal over other comic book characters is that he has no superpowers. He's just a really wealthy and smart guy. Batman is who he his because of his dedication to his work.
Yeah...the super advanced motorcycles and bat tanks and the ridiculous supercomputer and the flexible super suit that can block point blank bullets arent really that necessary. Nor the resources and lifestyle than allow you to fight crime regularly without anyone getting suspicious.
This is a really good point, honestly.
It's kind of hard for him to spark outrage, sympathy, or foment much of a "liberation" when you show yourself to be a dick upon your public unveiling.
Hero_of_the_Day
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I didn't know anyone thought this. He doesn't. Gordon doeson't either. Fox could suspect he may be, but doesn't know for sure. Alfred knows because he sees him.
That's what stuck out to me as the most rushed, too. Conti gives Bruce a forearm to the back that REALIGNS HIS SPINE, he hangs on a rope, sees Ghost Liam Neeson, and he's walking and doing push-ups and climbing before I knew it. Didn't sell the injury very well.
Seventy_X_Seven
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RollerCoaster Tycoon, everyone who visited my park only had the option of twenty minute roller coasters and they kept coming back.
I don't really see the movie as exhausting though IMO because the only scenes drawn out where the dialogue with no Batman. The action scenes went by pretty quick.
BeautifulMemory
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CrocMother
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Kind of reminds you it's a movie based on a comic book hero.
It was super convenient that Gordon was one of the guys who climbed down into the sewer, happened to be the one guy not killed by the explosions there, and taken straight to Bane, so that they would have the foresight to search his jacket where he conveniently left the notes from the speech he happened to not use at the last second the night before, that exposed an 8 year long secret
I think you misunderstood the point of that. It wasn't 'anyone could do what I just did' it was 'anyone could do be a hero' for others. Hence the 'even something as simple as comforting a scared child' bit (along with his way of finally telling Gordon who he was).
No shit. But we are talking about the line Tech had a problem with. Not the concept of Batman.
The Technomancer
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That is trying to be far too "meaningful" for its own good and failing when it does try.
Semi-related, TDK was much better at having a hero-villain relationship that was at least interesting. I'm still not sure what Bane's character is other then "I will fulfill Raz's legacy because I love his daughter"
Seventy_X_Seven
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But if I'm recalling correctly, didn't Bruce get a bit pissed at the people in the beginning of TDK that dressed up like Batman and tried to fight crime? Kind of goes against what he's getting at with this one.
This movie runs on convenience.
...So? I don't find this point a valid criticism or contradictory whatsoever. You can assume that willpower or courage will scale proportionally. This was Batman's "impossible" or "improbable" task -- but it may be something else for someone else. You would have that issue from the moment a billionaire, playboy, genius decided to do good. The theme that the individual (cops, citizens, other "criminals") play a part sort of maintains that message. Plus Batman didn't do it alone.
The Technomancer
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"Shouldn't the people know who saved them?"
"It doesn't matter who it was. What matters is that it could have been anyone"
EDIT: Crashing for the night
Also for such an important character motivation, they sure spend (or ge tot spend, considering how late in the movie it is) a lot of time with that relationship. I mean before both are killed off with a relative whimper.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Both.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Coincidences are the foundation for every movie ever made. If this is what you're going to gripe against then there is nothing to discuss.
The Technomancer
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He thought that with the public perception of Dent's death and the Dent act that Gotham was finally on its way to cleaning up its own mess, so it didn't need Batman. Plus he was depressed over Rachel, yeah
KeeSomething
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Because those guys had guns and were killers.
criesofthepast
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Dark Knight doesn't?
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