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[EatChildren]

Batman didn't give up his life at the end of TDRK as the sacrifice for Gotham. Wane gave up his. His riches, his power, his identity (real and secret), his friends, and everything he was a part of.

 

[Wilbur]

That pissed me off. I'm so tired of the "the main character fakes his own death and we close with a shot of him still alive" trope.

You're aware there are reasons as to why he fakes his death, as opposed to just for a narrative twist?

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

What doesn't make sense is that Bruce being alive doesn't mean he has any anonymity. He can't just be hanging out chillaxing, maxing, relaxing in France when the movie has already established that he's a very public figure.

 

[The Technomancer]

I know it's been said before but not establishing the prisons location in relation to Gotham city really bugs me. Yes the audience can except that Bruce is a place far away in the middle east, though he just as easily could have went to Mars and back without any transition shots. /nitpick

Yeah, they didn't need to show him going there and coming back, but they did need to show one or the other. As it is, Bane breaks Batman's back, then we see Bruce wake up in this middle-eastern prison with Bane, then we cut back to Gotham with Bane in it again, and then when Bruce escapes he makes it back to Gotham again. There is no sense of this prison being anywhere.

You're aware there are reasons as to why he fakes his death, as opposed to just for a narrative twist?

The world doesn't need Batman or Bruce Wayne anymore? Yeah, I guess, I just don't like how they executed it.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

You're aware there are reasons as to why he fakes his death, as opposed to just for a narrative twist?

obviously not, the_technomancer is a genius writer, nothing gets past this guy.

 

[The Technomancer]

obviously not, the_technomancer is a genius writer, nothing gets past this guy.

Dude, I posted one comment about how I would improve an aspect of the movie. Are you really going to rag on me for all of the things that I didn't like? And there are a lot of them. And this thread is going to be filled with me griping. Deal with it.

 

[Replicant]

I'm not writing review yet but this film is a mess. It was only redeemed slightly by the ending. I think the worse part was the sound design. It's really hard to hear what the characters are saying because their voice is often drowned by the background noise/music. Even worse is Bane's voice. Fuck him. As if Batman's voice wasn't hard enough to understand.

And oh, hate how the 2nd act of the film changed from Batman film to some sort of police vs. terrorism flick.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

An ending in which Bruce died would go against many of the points and developments in the film.

The film was a journey for Bruce/Batman, with him getting an epiphany in the prison scenes that death was something Batman almost embraced since he had no fear of it and that death should not be the end result, it did not make him stronger than having no fear of death. This was emphasised by Alfred earlier on in the film too. It was a stronger ending with having him accept that he could let go of Batman (kill Batman in a sense), pass on the symbol and cowl to another and live his life (whatever was left of it). That was a much more powerful ending than simply dying in the expected self-sacrificing, brooding and dark manner the entire trilogy has pedalled his character as. I think it would have been too grim as well to the point of desensitisation: he lost his parents, he failed Harvey, he lost Rachel, he took the blame for Harvey's crimes, spent 8 years as a broken recluse, got his back damaged by Bane and finally emerged from that pit after that personal development in believing that he wanted to live - if you take all that and then kill him off in some sacrifice, it doesn't payoff very well.

Agree with this.

I thought the ending was good. Passing the torch to Blake/Robin was perfectly executed with his development throughout the film.

 

[Sanjuro]

Batman didn't give up his life at the end of TDRK as the sacrifice for Gotham. Wane gave up his. His riches, his power, his identity (real and secret), his friends, and everything he was a part of.

That echoes some of the early points made by Rachel, Harvey, and Alfred. Bruce never had a life in Gotham, when he came back it was only Batman. In the end, he lives the remainder of his life on his own terms.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Batman didn't give up his life at the end of TDRK as the sacrifice for Gotham. Wane gave up his. His riches, his power, his identity (real and secret), his friends, and everything he was a part of.

Trial by fire, he was reborn a new man without pain or grief.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Dude, I posted one comment about how I would improve an aspect of the movie. Are you really going to rag on me for all of the things that I didn't like? And there are a lot of them. And this thread is going to be filled with me griping. Deal with it.

im dealing with it, you're fucking amazing man and a genius at work. what the fuck was nolan thinking, or wb for that matter. they should've hired you bro. you're just that rare talent that no one knows about it. you'll have your shot one day tho.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

What doesn't make sense is that Bruce being alive doesn't mean he has any anonymity. He can't just be hanging out chillaxing, maxing, relaxing in France when the movie has already established that he's a very public figure.

Didn't Batman Begins already establish he could just disappear into the outside world? He's a public figure in Gotham, but that's like expecting anybody outside of Detroit to know what the owner of the Tigers/Red Wings looks like.

 

[BattleMonkey]

What was the point of waiting 5 months or whatever for the bomb to decay and explode? If they were going to nuke the city no matter what, why did they wait to the last minute and not just detonate it. The whole making Bruce suffer thing is good and dandy, but as soon as it became a threat they waited for the timer to run down? Whole thing was so stupid

 

[Speedymanic]

heh.

Explaining the autopilot was fixed makes no sense if he faked it

This is where some cracks appear, but I think that was put in as a fake out for the audience. You can't kill Batman, so they suggest it's possible that he survived but there are enough signs in there that point to him dying.

Also, how on earth did the electronic survive a close range nuke blast? That scene altogether made no sense, the bat should have been vaporized.

He imagined Selina Kyle there too?

I think he did. Remember, he said to Bruce that he imagined seeing him with a wife and possibly some kids. So it makes sense that he'd imagine him with a beautiful woman like Selina.

Way too far fetched lol. Nothing in the film suggests this would be the case.

I won't deny it's far fetched, but I choose to believe that he's dead. His journey couldn't just end with hm sipping tea with Selina. The entire journey was building towards the ultimate sacrifice, him giving his life to save Gotham.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Did anyone else let out a laugh with the scene of catwoman riding the bike which sounded like a vacuum cleaner? I don't remember the bike sounding like that but it made me laugh.

I was more critical of the fact that she could even drive it. She just hopped on for a cruise like it was nothing.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Holy shit people they were building a new bat and it was the software that was fixed. How did you guys not notice this?

 

[EatChildren]

im dealing with it, you're fucking amazing man and a genius at work. what the fuck was nolan thinking, or wb for that matter. they should've hired you bro. you're just that rare talent that no one knows about it. you'll have your shot one day tho.

There's a difference between constructive criticism and healthy argument, and being a smarmy dick because you don't agree with a subjective opinion. You're being the latter. Would be pretty sweet if you weren't.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

I was more critical of the fact that she could even drive it. She just hopped on for a cruise like it was nothing.

Your avatar is awesome. That's all.

 

[Speedymanic]

One more thing, how awesome was the bat bike in this? Loved the new wheel move, amazing stuff and I can't wait to see some gifs of that and the Bane beat downs.

 

[Draconian]

Holy shit @ dat first Batman/Bane fight.

What really got me were the screams of anguish and desperation of Bruce as he was fighting, knowing he was losing. I felt awful watching it, and was absolutely ecstatic when Bane got his ass handed to him at the climax.

And LOL at the way he just got blasted by Selina. Absolutely perfect.

I thought that part was awful. Bane deserved a better ending to his character arc rather than going out in such a lame, sudden fashion.

 

[ezekial45]

An ending in which Bruce died would go against many of the points and developments in the film.

The film was a journey for Bruce/Batman, with him getting an epiphany in the prison scenes that death was something Batman almost embraced since he had no fear of it and that death should not be the end result, it did not make him stronger than having no fear of death. This was emphasised by Alfred earlier on in the film too. It was a stronger ending with having him accept that he could let go of Batman (kill Batman in a sense), pass on the symbol and cowl to another and live his life (whatever was left of it). That was a much more powerful ending than simply dying in the expected self-sacrificing, brooding and dark manner the entire trilogy has pedalled his character as. I think it would have been too grim as well to the point of desensitisation: he lost his parents, he failed Harvey, he lost Rachel, he took the blame for Harvey's crimes, spent 8 years as a broken recluse, got his back damaged by Bane and finally emerged from that pit after that personal development in believing that he wanted to live - if you take all that and then kill him off in some sacrifice, it doesn't payoff very well.

Well said.

 

[The Technomancer]

One more thing, how awesome was the bat bike in this? Loved the new wheel move, amazing stuff and I can't wait to see some gifs of that and the Bane beat downs.

Bat Bike was pretty fucking sweet. Batcopter was about as good as they were going to do it with Nolan's visual style as well.

 

[Speedymanic]

Holy shit people they were building a new bat and it was the software that was fixed. How did you guys not notice this?

I missed it. It looked like the bat that took the nuke out to sea, but that can't be as it would surely have been vaporized by the blast.

We're going to watch it again tomorrow, so I'll definitely keep and eye out for that as I'm positive the bat we see at the end was the one that took the nuke out.

 

[F#A#Oo]

Nope. Never go into anything with your expectations soaring. You will always lose.

Thing is I went in with lowish expections; my expectations were;

I wanted Bane to awesome. This was met but then knocked down with the way he died.
I wanted a decent ending...and Nolan just left the door open for WB to come in and screw around.

So yeah I'm disappointed based on these two factors which was key to the enjoyment of the film.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

There's a difference between constructive criticism and healthy argument, and being a smarmy dick because you don't agree with a subjective opinion. You're being the latter. Would be pretty sweet if you weren't.

i dont think I ever really "Disagreed" with his opinion of the movie did I? Nor did I even make a comment about his "subjective opinion." please point that out for me. Im pretty sure I'm making fun of the "I could make this movie better"

If you are mad at that? then, well what the hell?

 

[TheKaeptain]

I missed it. It looked like the bat that took the nuke out to sea, but that can't be as it would surely have been vaporized by the blast.

We're going to watch it again tomorrow, so I'll definitely keep and eye out for that as I'm positive the bat we see at the end was the one that took the nuke out.

Its not even the same color.

 

[Beaniedude]

When they revealed that Bane was Ras' son I was like "Ok.... I can live with this."
And then Ras shows up and I start to wonder if maybe we get to see the Lazarus Pit.
And then we find out who Talia is and I facepalm myself and go "Of course, I should have seen that coming."

Though I did enjoy this movie the best, which may be my bias toward Bane. I did like the whole No Man Lands thing they were doing and I wished they would have expanded on it a bit more but I guess they were already pushing it at the 2:45 mark.
I did chortle a bit when it went from, This thing is going to blow in 28 days, and then suddenly, We have 18 hours to disarm this bomb!
And I did snicker a bit when it revealed the bomb with the countdown timer on it. Why is there a countdown timer on it? And how is it so precise?
But over than that, I enjoyed it.

And I will not be afraid to admit that I did let out a girlish squeal of joy when Bane first fought Batman and broke his back.

Time to reread the Knightfall Comics.... I may as well reread No Man's Land whilst I am at it.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

Didn't Batman Begins already establish he could just disappear into the outside world? He's a public figure in Gotham, but that's like expecting anybody outside of Detroit to know what the owner of the Tigers/Red Wings looks like.

In Begins he disappeared when he was quite young and a nobody, and he disappeared to quite remote locations.

In TDK and TDKR, he's an established entrepreneur who becomes a Howard Hughes type recluse, paparazzi actually give a fuck about him, he's appeared on the front page of the papers, and he chooses to run off to Europe. TMZ is going to be all up on his ass.

 

[mr. puppy]

Dude, I posted one comment about how I would improve an aspect of the movie. Are you really going to rag on me for all of the things that I didn't like? And there are a lot of them. And this thread is going to be filled with me griping. Deal with it.

god the dude in your avatar looks like he could be saying what you type. he looks like one of those movie reviewers with a stupid expression that just makes shit up and hopes for the best.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Holy shit people they were building a new bat and it was the software that was fixed. How did you guys not notice this?

Friend's brother I saw this with completely missed this part. He thought the ending was told out of order, and JGL found the Batcave prior to the nuke thing and JGL was the one flying away with the nuke as Batman.


I think he got hit on the head or the 3 am showing was really getting to him. It made NO SENSE and he was still like DUDE I THINK THEY SWITCHED THEM OUT. I mean, for fuck's sakes JGL WAS ON THE BRIDGE WATCHING BATMAN FLY AWAY. I was really resisting the rge to slap the shit out of him for insisting with this.

 

[Fox Mulder]

One more thing, how awesome was the bat bike in this? Loved the new wheel move, amazing stuff and I can't wait to see some gifs of that and the Bane beat downs.

They did the sideways wheel roll thing in the dark knight too. It was during the joker semi truck scene, but it might have been hard to see at night.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Holy shit people they were building a new bat and it was the software that was fixed. How did you guys not notice this?

There was several Bats it looked like when Lucius was showing them to Wayne.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

aside from Bane's terrible accent, the movie was awesome.

Did not see Talia coming, good plot twist

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Thing is I went in with lowish expections; my expectations were;

I wanted Bane to awesome. This was met but then knocked down with the way he died.
I wanted a decent ending...and Nolan just left the door open for WB to come in and screw around.

So yeah I'm disappointed based on these two factors which was key to the enjoyment of the film.

Bane was great, and his demise was abrupt, but the way he died doesn't really diminish how great his previous scenes in the film were. Not for me, anyway.

 

[The Technomancer]

god the dude in your avatar looks like he could be saying what you type. he looks like one of those movie reviewers with a stupid expression that just makes shit up and hopes for the best.

...what?

 

[SJRB]

I thought that part was awful. Bane deserved a better ending to his character arc rather than going out in such a lame, sudden fashion.

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

I did chortle a bit when it went from, This thing is going to blow in 28 days, and then suddenly, We have 18 hours to disarm this bomb!
And I did snicker a bit when it revealed the bomb with the countdown timer on it. Why is there a countdown timer on it? And how is it so precise?

The whole bomb bit was hilarious. I was quite sad that the movie had to resort to a timer at the end. It felt cheap.

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

It's odd because it felt like it established that Batman's ideals are wrong, and that the only way to sort out a guy like Bane is to kill him.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

god the dude in your avatar looks like he could be saying what you type.

LOL, this is so true, and how I read each post.

 

[DMczaf]

Bruce had planned to leave Gotham after defeating Bane. He amended his will to pass the torch to Blake. He defeated Bane and left Gotham as planned. To everyone else he had "died". His will is read and as he wished, Blake gets directions to the Batcave.

Thinking back on it, I love Blake even more because Bruce finally finds that man who could take up Batman's place in Gotham. He redeems the faith he placed in Harvey Dent. Blake has already been through hell growing up, unlike Dent. Blake has shown that he can take the worst life can give him and not let it destroy him, unlike Dent who was never strong enough to handle that kind of adversity.

 

[Gray Man]

That pissed me off. I'm so tired of the "the main character fakes his own death and we close with a shot of him still alive" trope.

Are you freaking kidding me man? That last shot with Alfred and Bruce, is beautiful...

 

[rollingstart]

In Begins he disappeared when he was quite young and a nobody, and he disappeared to quite remote locations.

In TDK and TDKR, he's an established entrepreneur who becomes a Howard Hughes type recluse, paparazzi actually give a fuck about him, he's appeared on the front page of the papers, and he chooses to run off to Europe. TMZ is going to be all up on his ass.

he has his BatEMP to deal with them

 

[TheKaeptain]

There was several Bats it looked like when Lucius was showing them to Wayne.

Yeah it looked like there was an incomplete one that they walked by.

 

[Mononofu]

I won't deny it's far fetched, but I choose to believe that he's dead. His journey couldn't just end with hm sipping tea with Selina. The entire journey was building towards the ultimate sacrifice, him giving his life to save Gotham.

I want to respect your beliefs but no lol. The ending was set up from the beginning of film. Bruce didn't need to be Jesus Christ for Gotham, he suffered enough man. XD

 

[5amshift]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

Agreed. Although I don't agree that Batman should have owned Bane via hand to hand. In every fight, Bane was stronger in every way.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Blake is going to be a shitty Batman. He has no actual training, just a beat cop who is going to put on the cape?

 

[Radec]

Holy shit at the guy who thinks he can do it better than Nolan/Goyer.

lol

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

Batman did beat him. He broke Bane.

Then Talia came.

 

[SickBoy]

Was it actually him?

I looked on IMDB after I got home from the movie and it wasn't on his filmography. Either an uncredited role or a guy that just happens to really look like him.

Either you missed it or someone added it: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004993/

I appreciate the assist on that. It totally distracted me at that point in the movie.

 

[mr. puppy]

LOL, this is so true, and how I read each post.

its killing me. is that actually him or something?

 

[TheKaeptain]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

He was bested by Batman.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

I think he did. Remember, he said to Bruce that he imagined seeing him with a wife and possibly some kids. So it makes sense that he'd imagine him with a beautiful woman like Selina.

Why not Miranda Tate? You know, the woman he actually (recommends) talks to Bruce about? Alfred wouldn't know about Talia, and if he did, he wouldn't know about Selina. Your theory would have had more grounding if the autopilot hadn't been mentioned or emphasised as much and if the woman Bruce had been sitting with hadn't been revealed/had her face blurred out.

As it is, I think Inception has made you paranoid.