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[DMczaf]

Blake is going to be a shitty Batman. He has no actual training, just a beat cop who is going to put on the cape?

Bruce left training tapes and shit for him, don't worry.

What do you think he did for the last 8 years to keep his skills in check?

 

[The Technomancer]

Holy shit at the guy who thinks he can do it better than Nolan/Goyer.

lol

Do you mean me? Do you mean my one suggestion that Bane's handling of the anarchy could have been better? Is this movie so good, so beyond criticism that any attempt to point out "this didn't make much sense, perhaps they could have handled it this way" is blasphemy? Have you ever posted in any thread about any movie ever before?

 

[Draconian]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

Absolutely. My problem with the Talia twist is that it completely undermines Bane as a character. Once it occurs, Nolan has seemingly washed his hands of Bane and thinks he serves no purpose, and has him taken out immediately. This is compounded by the fact that Talia is only alive for about 10-15 minutes afterward. It's part of what makes the film seem really rushed.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

Funny thing is we saw that they did film her driving up those steps but they never show it in the movie.

 

[kingocfs]

Also, loved seeing Delmond from Treme get some love in this movie.

 

[Sanjuro]

Bruce left training tapes and shit for him, don't worry.

What do you think he did for the last 8 years to keep his skills in check?

*Robin turns on BatComputer*

*Cringes at Rachel desktop wallpaper and icons"

 

[SJRB]

Agreed. Although I don't agree that Batman should have owned Bane via hand to hand. In every fight, Bane was stronger in every way.

Bane was clearly superior indeed, but I was expecting a hand to hand fight where Batman would rise, embrace his fears and beats Bane one way or another.

Catwoman swooping in felt like the ending in Jurassic Park where the T-rex appears out of nowhere to grab the velociraptors. Too sudden, too random, undeserving closure for Bane's arch.

 

[Eidan]

Blake is going to be a shitty Batman. He has no actual training, just a beat cop who is going to put on the cape?

It's a good thing they established that he can at least handle himself in a fist fight. Two on one at that.

 

[Speedymanic]

Its not even the same color.

Now I feel stupid. I'll def keep an eye out tomorrow.

In Begins he disappeared when he was quite young and a nobody, and he disappeared to quite remote locations.

In TDK and TDKR, he's an established entrepreneur who becomes a Howard Hughes type recluse, paparazzi actually give a fuck about him, he's appeared on the front page of the papers, and he chooses to run off to Europe. TMZ is going to be all up on his ass.

Yup, add to this he would have been world wide news considering he went from billionaire to bum. It's hard to imagine he'd just be sitting there and no-one would know who he was.

he has his BatEMP to deal with them

They still had a ton a pics of him from before and no doubt he was worldwide news after the whole billionaire to bum story.

Maybe 5 months was enough time to forget about it? I guess it's a possibility, especially with everything that was happening with regard to Bane and the city.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Bruce left training tapes and shit for him, don't worry.

What do you think he did for the last 8 years to keep his skills in check?

Apparently leaving behind some P90x tapes is enough to become batman

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Gotta stop talking about this movie so I can catch it again at 1.

 

[The Technomancer]

Bane was clearly superior indeed, but I was expecting a hand to hand fight where Batman would rise, embrace his fears and beats Bane one way or another.

I was expecting a fight where Batman out-techniques Bane, using his environment to his advantage. Which we...kinda got at the end. The mid-movie Bane fight was one of the best scenes in the movie though.

 

[Ithil]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

He...was?

Did you blank out during the scene two minutes earlier where Batman had Bane down and beaten before him?

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

When Bane was taken out by Catwoman, he was already beaten. Batman had him at his mercy. The only way Bane gets the upper hand on Batman is because Talia stabbed him in the back.

It's like that dude who comes back at the end of Die Hard who gets blown away quickly by Al. You're already beaten dude, take a seat.

 

[DMczaf]

Apparently leaving behind some P90x tapes is enough to become batman

Batman90x videos are the most grueling and demanding tapes in existence. It is said only a small child has been able to complete all 90 days.

 

[Salvor.Hardin]

He...was?

Did you blank out during the scene two minutes earlier where Batman had Bane down and beaten before him?

Why was Bane losing his shit when Bruce began punching his mask? It was very unlike his character to begin swinging the way he was.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

When Bane was taken out by Catwoman, he was already beaten. Batman had him at his mercy. The only way Bane gets the upper hand on Batman is because Talia stabbed him in the back.

It's like that dude who comes back at the end of Die Hard who gets blown away quickly by Al. You're already beaten dude, take a seat.

Yea, some real "we're done with your bull shit for good" stuff.

 

[BattleMonkey]

It's a good thing they established that he can at least handle himself in a fist fight. Two on one at that.

lol what. He shoots 2 guys dead, doesn't beat them in a fist fight. Apparently a lot of cops are qualified to become the bat.

 

[Eidan]

Gotta stop talking about this movie so I can catch it again at 1.

God, I want to see it again, but I promised my baby sister I'd take her to see the new Ice Age.

 

[Samyy]

Do you mean me? Do you mean my one suggestion that Bane's handling of the anarchy could have been better? Is this movie so good, so beyond criticism that any attempt to point out "this didn't make much sense, perhaps they could have handled it this way" is blasphemy? Have you ever posted in any thread about any movie ever before?

Its easy to criticize, and much much harder to do yourself. I dont think hes saying that theres anything wrong with your criticisms, but its dumb to think that you could do a better job making a movie. Do you see film critics all become hotshot directors and writers?

 

[Draconian]

He...was?

Did you blank out during the scene two minutes earlier where Batman had Bane down and beaten before him?

If you use this argument, then I don't think you can defend Nolan essentially reviving him and killing him off all in a matter of a minute.

 

[The Technomancer]

Why was Bane losing his shit when Bruce began punching his mask? It was very unlike his character to begin swinging the way he was.

Oh, because Bane's mask pumps painkillers into his face, thats why he has to wear it. I thought that was really well done actually, we start to see Bane freak out because he's in agony.

 

[Hitokage]

When Bane was taken out by Catwoman, he was already beaten. Batman had him at his mercy. The only way Bane gets the upper hand on Batman is because Talia stabbed him in the back.

It's like that dude who comes back at the end of Die Hard who gets blown away quickly by Al. You're already beaten dude, take a seat.

Yeah, speaking of Die Hard, this movie was Batman Hard with a Vengeance in a lot of ways.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Agreed. Bane is a warrior, he should have been bested by Batman in hand to hand combat and not blown away by out-of-nowhere Catwoman on a Batpod inside a building no one saw or heard coming.

he already was bested. Were they supposed to have a third fight? Bane was a badass the whole movie, but they were done with his character and it was time to move on. The scene also gave Catwoman her redemption moment.

 

[Ithil]

Why was Bane losing his shit when Bruce began punching his mask? It was very unlike his character to begin swinging the way he was.

Because he was not getting the gas from his mask anymore, and he would be paralysed with pain without it, so he went berserk.

 

[The Technomancer]

Its easy to criticize, and much much harder to do yourself. I dont think hes saying that theres anything wrong with your criticisms, but its dumb to think that you could do a better job making a movie. Do you see film critics all become hotshot directors and writers?

This is an internet message board dude. I'm not seriously suggesting I could have done better. Have you honestly never ever heard or seen anyone say "man I would have handled that scene differently" before?

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

There was a scene in the second fight where you could really see Bane's speed. It was brilliant. He had Batman up against a pillar after his mask had been broken a bit and completely laid into him with a flurry of shots - a bit reminiscent of the first Matrix. The speed of the punches looked brutal.

 

[demosthenes]

Regarding the end, I really do think that Bruce is dead and that Alfred only imagined him being there.

Bruce had finally found someone to take on the role of Batman after him, a new protector for the city if it ever needs one, he had nothing left to live for, the love of his life was dead, his most trusted and beloved friend had left him, there was literally nothing left for him to live for. He may have fixed the auto pilot, but I'm positive he chose to sacrifice himself, the past movies had been leading up to this moment where he finally gives everything to save Gotham and it absolutely fits with the theme that the ultimate sacrifice is all that can save the city.

Some or most will disagree, but as Shaw would say - it's what I choose to believe.

Yea the fact that they included the autopilot makes this thought...just no.

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

This is an internet message board dude. I'm not seriously suggesting I could have done better. Have you honestly never ever heard or seen anyone say "man I would have handled that scene differently" before?

no, cause my circle of friend's do not consist of genius screenwriters like you. I gotta get more friends like you cause You might become famous one day gary.

 

[rollingstart]

He was bested by Batman.

yeah, another fight would've been pointless. Batman fought Bane and won. Not that I wouldn't have liked a round 3 fight for the action, but I thought it was handled fine as is.

It's like Scarecrow defeated by a taser. His role is done at that point. It doesn't undermine any of what happened earlier in the film.

They still had a ton a pics of him from before and no doubt he was worldwide news after the whole billionaire to bum story.

Maybe 5 months was enough time to forget about it? I guess it's a possibility, especially with everything that was happening with regard to Bane and the city.

Selina used the magic usb stick on Bruce too. It even works on newspapers!

 

[Samyy]

This is an internet message board dude. I'm not seriously suggesting I could have done better. Have you honestly never ever heard or seen anyone say "man I would have handled that scene differently" before?

Yea I think he went overboard with his post but you also sound incredibly defensive and for some reason oddly aggressive, thats all.

 

[DMczaf]

I loved how fanboys were enraged over Catwoman having a gun, and then the first time she pulls that shit out Batman goes "No guns!"

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Any time you make a criticism, you're basically building up a hypothetical, "better" product in your head. It's really not that far-fetched.

 

[Sorcerer]

There is no other way for Bane to go than to have Selina kill him.

Bane was never going to reveal the traiter. He would rather die. Would Batman kill him? I don't think so.

The twist with Talia had to happen or we would have a dead end.

Did you feel Bane was better off arrested and sitting in a jail cell?

Selina doesn't share Batmans morals, I think it was fine she shot him.

He would have strangled Batman otherwise.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Yeah, speaking of Die Hard, this movie was Batman Hard with a Vengeance in a lot of ways.

Yeah, especially with the whole time bomb thing. And Bane did have a pinch of Jeremy Irons in him.

 

[EatChildren]

i dont think I ever really "Disagreed" with his opinion of the movie did I? Nor did I even make a comment about his "subjective opinion." please point that out for me. Im pretty sure I'm making fun of the "I could make this movie better"

If you are mad at that? then, well what the hell?

You obviously disagree with his opinion, otherwise you wouldn't be berating him about it.

This

im dealing with it, you're fucking amazing man and a genius at work. what the fuck was nolan thinking, or wb for that matter. they should've hired you bro. you're just that rare talent that no one knows about it. you'll have your shot one day tho.

plus this

fuck these nerdy haters dawg. lol they cant enjoy shit.

are clearly evident of that. This is a forum, and this is a thread, about a movie with polarising opinions. You're going to get (and already have) people criticising the film and suggesting where they feel it could be improved. The post I mentioned came across as a bit assholish to me. If it wasn't intended to be, I apologise.

I just don't want to see this thread dragged down to "lol you think you can make a better movie but you cant" as a basis for disagreeing with opinions on the internet.

 

[Salvadora]

I loved how fanboys were enraged over Catwoman having a gun, and then the first time she pulls that shit out Batman goes "No guns!"

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Mononofu]

no, cause my circle of friend's do not consist of genius screenwriters like you. I gotta get more friends like you cause You might become famous one day gary.

Okay cut it out already. Take the personal stuff elsewhere.

 

[The Technomancer]

Yea I think he went overboard with his post but you also sound incredibly defensive and for some reason oddly aggressive, thats all.

He's an annoyingly mocking sarcastic little shit, it bugs me since it came out of left field and until then I was enjoying talking about the movie in this thread
*shrug*
All I want is to keep posting in this thread and not have every negative opinion met with "looool the fuck you know you aren't a genius like god nolan"

 

[DMczaf]

And I have to repeat this, they really fucked up Bane's voice during the prologue. It was SO obviously done through ADR. I really do not like bloggers for their constant complaining for month after month right now. Nolan should have stuck with his guns there.

 

[OriginofHysteria]

I personally thought that the ending was perfect for the series. Starting from TDK, I think it was all about Wayne/Batman finding his peace (as Alfred had implored him to do) and he finally achieved it at the end of the TDKR.

With that being said though, I still thought TDK was the better movie, but TDKR ended the trilogy so well. Bane was not as menacing as The Joker (I know you cant compare), but I think I say that because his voice was just really annoying.

 

[BattleMonkey]

And again, what was the whole point of the 5 month time bomb when they could have detonated it any time, especially when they planned for it to go off anyways with apparently no intention of leaving the island? What is the point of the meaningless time limit?

 

[rollingstart]

And I have to repeat this, they really fucked up Bane's voice during the prologue. It was SO obviously done through ADR. I really do not like bloggers for their constant complaining for month after month right now. Nolan should have stuck with his guns there.

I want the blu-ray to include the original prologue audio. It's so much better.

 

[DMczaf]

And again, what was the whole point of the 5 month time bomb when they could have detonated it any time, especially when they planned for it to go off anyways with apparently no intention of leaving the island? What is the point of the meaningless time limit?

Bane and Talia wanted to torture Gotham by giving citizens hope, only to snuff it out. All while Bruce watched.

 

[Hitokage]

Yeah, especially with the whole time bomb thing. And Bane did have a pinch of Jeremy Irons in him.

And Talia not really liking her deceased relative but carrying out the same kind of work and considering getting revenge for a relative a nice bonus along the way is exactly the same as Iron's character.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

And again, what was the whole point of the 5 month time bomb when they could have detonated it any time, especially when they planned for it to go off anyways with apparently no intention of leaving the island? What is the point of the meaningless time limit?

It was so Bruce Wayne could suffer in agony as he watched Gotham crumble.

 

[Defuser]

WES DA DETONATAR!

The movie was so close to not having that hilarious angry growl but it just have to happen 3/4 into it.

 

[Draconian]

I want the blu-ray to include the original prologue audio. It's so much better.

I would like to see this too. Was the prologue just the opening scene or was there any more to it?

 

[The Technomancer]

And again, what was the whole point of the 5 month time bomb when they could have detonated it any time, especially when they planned for it to go off anyways with apparently no intention of leaving the island? What is the point of the meaningless time limit?

Funnily enough that doesn't bug me at all. I guess I'm desensitized to similar setups in other action movies.

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

WES DA DETONATAR!

The movie was so close to not having that hilarious angry growl but it just have to happen 3/4 into it.

Honestly, by that point in the film, I was pumped up to hear it.