REMEMBER the dArk knight rises UnmaRked spOileR threAd | You only legend once

Status
Not open for further replies.
I will give them credit: on reflection "bankrupt Bruce Wayne and make him think an asshole is taking over his company in order to get him to trust your secret villain with the power and access to a nuclear device" as far as villainous plots go was actually pretty well executed.

But what bothered me about Bruce losing all of his money is that it should have been obvious to everyone that it was related to the stock market hijacking.

I mean, the Gotham stock market gets held up by Bane, and then Bruce Wayne loses his entire fortune, and nobody thinks they're related?
 
But what bothered me about that is that it should have been obvious to everyone that Bruce Wayne's mismanagement was related to the stock market hijacking.

I mean, the Gotham stock market gets held up by Bane, and then Bruce Wayne loses his entire fortune, and nobody thinks they're related?
They mentioned that the Wayne foundation was claiming fraud or whatever, I think the idea was just that because it takes time to fix these things, regardless of how it happened making Bruce destitute would be enough time to sieze control.
 
She nailed it, and had some fantastic scenes, but the writing did not do her any favors. Anytime she started talking about money or society I cringed.
Yeah, and I feel like they somewhat portrayed her as an angsty teenager too heavily. They set her up for condescension, but mostly balanced it by her also being smart and kick ass. They could have done a better job of complicating her inner struggles, I guess.
 
Those last 2 minutes man, gave me chills throughout. Just like in Inception when they all wake up on the plane staring at each knowing they accomplished Inception. Gotta love Chris Nolan!

Greatest finisher of any director easily.


Just got back from my second showing. SOOOO MUCH BETTER. Knowing what to expect and being able to just pay attention to the relationships made a big difference. My criticisms still stand(Action swings from great to subpar, No memorable set-pieces) but it is a fantastic close to the series.
 
I will give them credit: on reflection "bankrupt Bruce Wayne and make him think an asshole is taking over his company in order to get him to trust your secret villain with the power and access to a nuclear device" as far as villainous plots go was actually pretty well executed.

When you think one of Batman's best assets besides his fighting prowess and intelligence is his access to an unlimited amount of funds, their plan is the most logical attack on him out of any of the Batman movies. I loved how good of a plan that was.
 
So did he escape the Bat at the end?Or was Alfred daydreaming?

I think he escaped, thats the only reason for showing Gordon seeing the new Bat-Signal and Lucius finding out about the auto-pilot

As we walked out of the theater one of my friends was like "All I could think of at the end was The Iron Giant" and I was like "I know, right, I was expecting him to shout Soooooopermaaaan"
 
I know they said the bomb had a blast radius of six miles but does that mean the radiation released by the bomb would have a six-mile affect or how far out would Batman have had to make it to make sure no radiation hit Gotham? And would something like a neutron bomb cause a Gotham-enveloping tsunami?

Either way, Gotham is going to have a lot of dead fish washing up on it's shores soon.
 
All my hyping for Franco from Rescue Me in this and he was in the movie for literally 5 secs lol

"Sup guys, I'm Special Forces John Matrix Jr and I'm going to save all of you....im dead"
 
I know they said the bomb had a blast radius of six miles but does that mean the radiation released by the bomb would have a six-mile affect or how far out would Batman have had to make it to make sure no radiation hit Gotham? And would something like a neutron bomb cause a Gotham-enveloping tsunami?

Either way, Gotham is going to have a lot of dead fish washing up on it's shores soon.

Oh yeah, at the end I thought to myself "awww, the kids survived. awwwwww....those kids probably have radiation poisoning"
 
Seriously?? WTF people




Solo I didn't see your impressions, where are they? I am assuming cause the beginning had the slowest build-up of all time you loved it.

Here you are:

I fucking LOVED IT. Let's get this out of the way straight away - in some ways this is the very worst entry in the series, and in some ways its the very best entry in the series. It is BY FAR (like much, MUCH more than even BB) the most comic book-y of the films.

As such, it carries a whole host of contrivances and holes in the plot and the film's internal logic that trump anything seen in either BB or TDK. Big time. I suspect this is a movie that will have its nits picked to an extent that would make the nitpicking done on TDK seem tame. Also, time and distance are played extremely fast and loose with, and as such, I would probably would say its the messiest movie of the three, from an editing and plotting perspective. Some of the characters, Bane and Miranda Tate chief among them, were not nearly as well developed as Rhas was in BB or The Joker or Harvey were in TDK. Fabulously acted, but both felt as though they needed some more meat on their bones. The action wasn't bad at all, and most of it was clearly shot, but as usual it lacked that stylistic and editing prowess that Nolan's action always does. So yeah, TDKR has its problems.

Thankfully, it's also FUCKING AWESOME. Bruce's arc, which has always been the heart of the franchise for me (and his backseat role in TDK is one of the reasons I am down on that film), gets the treatment and the screentime it deserved, and Nolan pulled it off brilliantly. Like, fucking amazingly. I had the biggest smile on my face during the final scenes. The heart and emotional undercurrent that drove BB has returned here in droves, and Bale really gets to shine. It really felt like the ending to an epic trilogy, and it really went out with a bang. The final few minutes were just perfect. I suspect there will be some controversy arise out of some of the final events, but I felt there were all thematically justified and struck just the right note for me. I was 100% completely satisfied with the journey of Bruce Wayne.

There is a whole host of fanservice in this movie, but you know what? That shit fucking worked for me. TDK and especially BB have heaps of references to them, both overt and subtle, and I ate that shit right up. The cast was great as usual, with the real standouts aside from Bale this time being Michael Caine and Anne Hathaway. Caine just fucking slays me when he gets on with the emotional stuff, and Anne absolutely owned her role and definitely came to play. So many great scenes that I know I've likely forgotten half of them already, yet some of them are instantly unforgettable to me.

A bold, unconventional, out there conclusion to a flawed, but very special trilogy for me. It's Chris Nolan being Chris Nolan, and all the good and the bad that comes with it, and he nailed this one for me. A script with issues triumphed over by a movie with character arcs and emotional beats that resonate.
 
but TDK's climax was exactly that, a climax. TDKR uses that as a premise for the entire fucking film and it just drags on and on and on with this stupid underground police plot and then adds the martyr stuff on top of that. Didn't TDK already prove that "GOTHAM IS FULL OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOOD" /batmangrunt (or something to that nature). why do we need another stupid social experiment?

Yeah, but the silliness of both didn't really bother me.

The difference I'd say between the two is The Joker aimed to prove self interest and survival instinct will persevere amidst a moral crisis, challenging Batman with similar dilemmas. He was proven incorrect by Batman's selfless sacrifice in taking the blame for Dent's death, as well as the cheesy criminal showing us he has a heart.

Bane's goal wasn't to prove what the Joker did so much as give the illusion of control to the people of Gotham. Even though the film showed plenty of rebellion against the rich and powerful, in my head I imagined this as a select group of people behaving this way. Same goes for the kangaroo court. The people who felt the need to lash out upon society did so, uncontrolled and unrestricted, meanwhile average Joe citizen was allowed to go about their days. They were deluded into believing they could just 'exist' as normal people and they'd be fine, eventually having their sense of security shattered as the bomb detonated.

The social experiment stuff of both is cheesy, but I didn't really see Bane's plot as a social experiment, not like the Jokers, so much as forcing people into a particular social structure and letting people thrive within that environment.
 
5tJoy.gif
 
All my hyping for Franco from Rescue Me in this and he was in the movie for literally 5 secs lol

"Sup guys, I'm Special Forces John Matrix Jr and I'm going to save all of you....im dead"

I think Nolan does that a lot to throw people off to the plot when he is casting. Same thing with the black dude from Stargate, or juno Temple. People hear they are cast and start to wonder if they are being cast as Killer Croc or Harley Quinn. Remember when Anthony Michael Hall was announced to be in TDK and people had him pegged of Riddler?
 
Yes. That is why the Bat signal is repaired, Robin is given the location of the cave, the Bat had autopilot installed six months prior to the explosion etc.

I thought that was really clear.

But maybe all those things were just a dream.

Maybe Bruce dreamed the entire trilogy? And he's really just alone in Arkham, being treated by Scarecrow, never able to overcome the death of his parents.

DEEP.
 
Did anyone else get a Return of the Jedi vibe from this? Not quite as good as the last two films and the plot gets going really fast. But most importantly, a phenomenal way to end the series.
 
Did anyone else get a Return of the Jedi vibe from this? Not quite as good as the last two films and the plot gets going really fast. But most importantly, a phenomenal way to end the series.

Ewoks and the ending ruin Return of the Jedi for me. The ending of this movie is about as perfect as possible.
 
Fighting the urge to buy the first two films on blu ray and have a Batman weekend, as I know there will be some sort of awesome box set of the series this Winter....

Also, did anyone else find Bane's voice really hard to understand at times?
 
I hate to sound like a dick but people being confused about the ending makes absolutely no fricken sense to me. Here I am thinking Nolan is being heavy handed as he possibly can be without literally coming into camera shot and reading a synopsis of everything you just saw and some people are still like "Uhhh so Bruce Wayne died right? Or not?"

Did anyone else get a Return of the Jedi vibe from this? Not quite as good as the last two films and the plot gets going really fast. But most importantly, a phenomenal way to end the series.

No way. ROJ barely keeps it together in the final acts and DKR absolutely transcends itself at the end.
 
Fantastic review Solo. Great stuff in there.

Thank ye sir!

Did anyone else get a Return of the Jedi vibe from this? Not quite as good as the last two films and the plot gets going really fast. But most importantly, a phenomenal way to end the series.

You are not alone:

I have a LOT of reservations about it, but I think the Star Wars OT analogy is probably the most fitting of any analogy that could be made to another trilogy. Now, it isn't a perfect analogy by any means. For starters, in Star Wars, 2 > 1 > 3 (fuck the prequels, 1 is ANH, 2 is ESB, 3 is ROTJ), and I don't feel Batman followed that path in quality.

But where I DO like the analogy is in directly comparing the films:
- BB is ANH. The original film. Contains all the charm, characters and development that makes us fall in love with the franchise. In retrospect after the other two films, it seems small in scope and ambition. But none of that stops it from being an absolute classic still considered by many the best in the series.
- TDK is ESB. Much grander in scope and delves into much darker thematic territory and pushes the characters to the brink. Features an ominous downer cliffhanger ending. Also considered by many to be the best in the series.
- TDKR is ROTJ. The victory lap that ties the trilogy together, redeems the heroes, and lets everyone ride off into the sunset. There are no Ewoks here, but one could say that the BB/TDK callbacks and some of the plot convolutions had a similar effect.
 
I think he escaped, thats the only reason for showing Gordon seeing the new Bat-Signal and Lucius finding out about the auto-pilot

As we walked out of the theater one of my friends was like "All I could think of at the end was The Iron Giant" and I was like "I know, right, I was expecting him to shout Soooooopermaaaan"

ah ok I somehow didnt understand what the guys told Lucius about The Bat.
 
I love Gordon's smile when he sees the Batsignal. All of those years of torment, and his reward is the return of THE BAT MAN.
 
I love Gordon's smile when he sees the Batsignal. All of those years of torment, and his reward is the return of THE BAT MAN.

That was totally a YOU SON OF A BITCH! moment. We needed Bruce to step out of the shadows and have him and Gordon have an epic handshake.
 
One thing I missed was how Bane nullified the gas bombs Batman throws at him. You guys catch that?

DK and DKR are such perfect companions back to back. The ending of DK and the redemption that Nolan is able to bring about in Rises is just perfection.
 
Doesn't exist. Pretty much all the major themes can be traced back to BB's score.

Damn it!


One thing I missed was how Bane nullified the gas bombs Batman throws at him. You guys catch that?

DK and DKR are such perfect companions back to back. The ending of DK and the redemption that Nolan is able to bring about in Rises is just perfection.


I thought he was simply unfazed by the theatrics
 
Seriously Ive watched that 2 minute ending on YT a bunch of times today, most recently like 5 secs ago, and it gives me chills every time.
 
The at-risk youngsters are the Ewoks.

I think it's important to acknowledge the parallels between Bruce's identity crisis growing up in his father's shadow and giving back to fellow orphans through John Blake.

I do get what you're saying though. If they started killing Bane's henchman with rocks it would be even more apt.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom