I didn't notice any drop in efficiency barring Bruce's health problems. If things seem harder, it's because his enemies are far more competent (even the mooks aren't fooled by theatrics and are more resilient than the random thugs that Carmine had) and he is often forced to fight in daylight, when he is most comfortable at night. If anything, he is far more formidable here, what with the Batwing (I am calling it that, I don't care what Lucius calls it), and his remastery of fear at the end.
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I didn't notice any drop in efficiency barring Bruce's health problems. If things seem harder, it's because his enemies are far more competent (even the mooks aren't fooled by theatrics and are more resilient than the random thugs that Carmine had) and he is often forced to fight in daylight, when he is most comfortable at night. If anything, he is far more formidable here, what with the Batwing (I am calling it that, I don't care what Lucius calls it), and his remastery of fear at the end.
This. Holy shit at people taking things so literally.
Plasticine
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Bruce could have been sentenced into exile by Crane and didn't make it across the ice. No telling where his body ended up.
The Technomancer
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I personally can only refer to it as the Batcopter
I kinda more or less agree with you. I loved the movie, but it definitely needed more breathing room.
It's a long-shot, but I'm still really hoping for an extended cut. Come on, Nolan, just this once?
Wow, I absolutely did not see that coming!
/sarcasm
What made her change all of a sudden? Was she good all along and just having fun and got Batman beat up for no reason? If she was a hero why was she still convincing Batman to leave the people and run away with her? If she cared about those people why was she running around saving kids from bullies?
Also why does she dress up as a cat? Does she just like the animals and thinks she looks cute in it?
Ok, I realize not all characters need development and have complex/unpredictable scenes, but it takes away from a movies that take themselves very seriously.
Catwomen was fantastically written and played in Batman Returns..I just thought Nolan was looking to one up here but left disappointed. Hatheway is mesmerizingly gorgeous though but she felt shoe-horned in this movie, sorry.
parrotbeak
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I read the first few pages of this thread but I'm going to have to skip the next 145 pages or so. Sorry if this was addressed a few dozen times already but what's up with his knee? I thought he had an external brace that allowed him to walk normally. It was gone when Bane took him to the prison, and then they fix his back, and next thing he's jumping around on rocks.
triplestation
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I like to call it the Wraith.
Messypandas
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What makes you think she changed tact? Batman wanted to find Bane and she just played a deal from both sides. She probably had no idea Batman was hopelessly outmatched. Remember this was a guy of legends
That's a big part of the silliness in this plot. Who knew it was so easy to fix a broken vertebrae? Just hang from a rope for a couple of months!
-Pyromaniac-
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Catwoman was a perfectly portrayed anti-hero throughout all the movie. All her actions were perfect in displaying that.
parrotbeak
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Yup, I loved Catwoman. I was worried she would come off like Emma Stone's character in Zombieland, but I understood her motives and values throughout the movie.
You apparently do not understand what character development means. It is when one character changes in some way over the course of the story. So no, she was not "good all along" as that would imply that she didn't change her character but rather hid it in some way.
She changed because even though she was acting out of self interest, she had a concious. Hence why she took in that girlfriend of hers as a partner or apprentice or whatever and why she only stole from the rich rather than from the needy and why she felt guilty and horrified at what Bane did to Batman, knowing it was her fault. But she buried her concious under the rationalization of self survival, that taking from the rich was okay because she needed it (inconsiderate of what that necklace might mean to Bruce, for example) and that nearly killing Batman made her life better.
Batman, however, sets a higher standard. He is truly willing to give it all, and even after all that, placed his trust in her to do the right thing. Realizing how much her actions impacted everyone else, she decided that pure self interest wasn't as easy or pleasant as she thought it was. I think it's clear that she had a lot of sleepless nights over what she did. Her discomfort when she sees Bruce return is palpable. So she comes in to save Batman. She sees that being a better person than what she is is possible, and becomes that.
Uh...she doesn't. She wears goggles to help her steal stuff, which happen to look like cat ears. Other than that and the bladed high heels, she wears a standard spy suit with a mask, and the papers have dubbed her the cat, most likely because of her occupation, a cat burgler.
It would, if what your saying were true.
She was a major part of the story. Not just because she was the reason he got his back broken and then later saved his life, but also because she helped him reconnect to his connection to humanity. He trusted her and she came through. On top of that, she is the only woman who has seen his true face and actually embraced it. 99% of other women didn't know Bruce was a persona and Rachel rejected Bruce so long as he was Batman, so this makes her special as love interest too. Shoehorned is the furthest thing from accurately describing her.
I thought.. the dude punched it back into place...
The rope.. was like an extreme case of physical therapy... not sure if it makes it any better
Messypandas
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They never said his back was broken. Like, at all. Slip a disc maybe, which is excruciating and fixable
SilentProtagonist
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So what exactly was The Dent Act?
parrotbeak
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What about his knee?
Messypandas
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edit if you wanna serious answer you just have to look at the fact that Bruce didn't give a shit about his body after TDK. You can cure a lot of your body ills by working out. Heck, just look at that guy that learned to run again after completely fucking knees and back in combat through yoga alone. Its not that much of a stretch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9FSZJu448
Messofanego
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Has this been posted?
IGN-UK TDKR Spoilercast Video
They go into the nitty gritty details, so good to remind yourself if you haven't done a double screening.
I agree with them on how much I love how all the movies feel connected even if it wasn't a planned trilogy. The Pit being like the Batman Begins well, League of Shadows brought back, Scarecrow finally getting some respect (his jacket is turning into a scarecrow!), bombs being used as endings in all of them lol. I agree that Joker wouldn't be good for TDKR as a final villain since he's not a planned guy, you need to see Batman being broken physically while in TDK he was just broken emotionally. Also, how John Blake was foreshadowed to be Robin with being Batman's sort-of sidekick in Gotham helping the cops, doing his own investigations, being idealistic and an orphan, and finding the Bat Cave and becoming the next Batman.
Finally a Batman film about Bruce Wayne/Batman and not just eccentric Bruce Wayne. I disagree that Alfred being left out of the movie is bad, he's taken enough of Bruce Wayne through Begins and TDK so it would make sense he'd just give up. It makes you long for Alfred and you feel this emotional hole, gives this sense of despair throughout.
IGN-UK TDKR Spoilercast Video
They go into the nitty gritty details, so good to remind yourself if you haven't done a double screening.
I agree with them on how much I love how all the movies feel connected even if it wasn't a planned trilogy. The Pit being like the Batman Begins well, League of Shadows brought back, Scarecrow finally getting some respect (his jacket is turning into a scarecrow!), bombs being used as endings in all of them lol. I agree that Joker wouldn't be good for TDKR as a final villain since he's not a planned guy, you need to see Batman being broken physically while in TDK he was just broken emotionally. Also, how John Blake was foreshadowed to be Robin with being Batman's sort-of sidekick in Gotham helping the cops, doing his own investigations, being idealistic and an orphan, and finding the Bat Cave and becoming the next Batman.
Finally a Batman film about Bruce Wayne/Batman and not just eccentric Bruce Wayne. I disagree that Alfred being left out of the movie is bad, he's taken enough of Bruce Wayne through Begins and TDK so it would make sense he'd just give up. It makes you long for Alfred and you feel this emotional hole, gives this sense of despair throughout.
brandonh83
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I like how in retrospect Richard Alpert's death scene was spoiled in the trailers.
-Pyromaniac-
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Veelk, dropping mad knowledge up there. Good explanations.
Seriously.
People make it sound as if the scar was a dead giveaway. Really? Then I must be a fucking moron.
He's Richard, he cant die!
triplestation
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This movie was as good as The Amazing Spider-man.
brandonh83
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Yes he can. Remember, now, he's like us.
The vertebrae wasn't broken. They said as much.
Seriously, watch the movie sometime people. It makes a lot more sense if you do, I promise.
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Criminals denied parole. Not sure if there's more.
not for me. ASM had so many problems. At least Bane's goals were more clear than the Lizard's.
brandonh83
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I thought TDKR had so many problems, too. I probably liked Bane as a villain more though apart from his shitty death.
And villain motives... eh, they're always cliche so whatever, I don't really consider Bane's motives to be more clear or "better" than Lizard's.
brandonh83
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Anti-climactic, out of nowhere, not fulfilling-- in fact I've seen people flat out not even realize that he had a death scene at all. I'd chalk that up more to ignorance, sure, but it happened so fast and randomly that I almost can't entirely blame them.
For a big badass, tough villain like Bane you expect a better send-off. Or at least I do. Perhaps I'm more old-fashioned though when it comes to good villain deaths.
SilentProtagonist
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Huh, that was enough to clean up the streets and get rid of organized crime?
Extra Sauce
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The court scenes were great but would have been a better fit with Joker. I'm sure it would have been him too, were it possible.
Judging from the beginning of TDK, tt seemed to me that they were all aware of the Joker, but that he was considered a side-show freak of little importance in comparison to DA MOB.
People wanted Batman to beat him. Which he did, and he only lost because he got stabbed in the back out of no where, but I guess that's not enough.
I think it work's perfectly thematically. The fight time they fought, part of the reason Batman lost so badly was because Catwoman helped trap him in. If she helped him like she said she would, he might have gotten the drop on bane and won. She was part of the reason he lost so badly. That she is the one who comes in to save him when he's about to be killed is nothing short of appropriate because it completes her character arc and reward's Batman's faith in people.
cj_iwakura
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So uh, did Bane die? They didn't really confirm that.
Messypandas
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his crimes weren't that notable for how bad Gotham was at the time (armed robbery, double-homicide) the exception being the theatrics of leaving a calling card. It doesn't suprise me the forget about him
triplestation
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At least Lizard had some sense of closure. And I hated ASM.
HHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHA
brandonh83
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That didn't even matter to me. As far as I'm concerned, Batman did beat him. Selina pulled the trigger, but Batman got the upper-hand in the fight. I didn't like the execution and out of nowhere, randomness to it.
-Pyromaniac-
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dude got shot by some serious ass firepower
brandonh83
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I rest my case. Death by exile!
Messypandas
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Considering that shot leveled a mountain of cars, i'm pretty sure it fucked bane up
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Also awesome line:
"so that's what that feels like"
"so that's what that feels like"
Joe Shlabotnik
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Just poring through the eight million posts since I last checked the thread and I wanted to "This" this.
I have no idea whether it was just last-minute panic over him being unintelligible, but I loooved how in front of the audio his dialogue was. It was jarring at first but I thought the effect was fantastic. Like he was in your head every time he spoke.
CosmicGroinPull
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It's really credit to Nolan that I wasn't even thinking about boobies during the movie but spend the whole of Avengers staring at Scarlett's ass whenever she was onscreen.
A vertebrae injury where the vertebrae is visibly protruding cannot be fixed with a punch and traction. It was silly, especially since it was pointed out that his knee required a high tech Bat-brace in an earlier scene. My friends and I were all laughing about it afterwards.
The movie was great, but there's no need to pretend everything made sense.
triplestation
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AUDIENCE: HHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA ROFLMAO
B-b-but he beat BATMAN. Surely we'd need heavier artillery than that.
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