Anne Hathaway > Michelle Pfeiffer. I have to admit i did miss the whip.
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Anne Hathaway > Michelle Pfeiffer. I have to admit i did miss the whip.
I agree. Nolan has taken the character of Bruce Wayne a lot father than any form of media.
Razgriz-Specter
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Completely forgot about Selina apologizing for continuing to disappoint Bruce.
Liked that alot.
Liked that alot.
plus, we actually got to see what was happening for once.
Okay, I said it before, it was a mess and only mildly saved by the ending.
- The audio/sound design is awful. You need to tone down the background music/sound when characters are talking so that we can hear what they say. But they failed in this regard. Characters often sound as if they're mumbling with Bane and Batman as the biggest offenders in this regard. Hearing dialogues in film shouldn't be an exercise in frustration.
- There are too many characters in this film. Look, I can understand the rationale for some of them. For example, they need Selina Kyle for the ending with Bruce to wrap up his story. They need Blake to continue his legacy. But I don't think the film need to tie the villain's evil plot back to Ra's story back in the first one. Just having Bane on his own was enough. Either him or Talia instead of both of them. Moreover, we don't need Gordon, Lucius, and Alfred showing up that much in the movie. I applaud them for getting rid of Alfred in the 1st act of the movie but they should also have done the same with Gordon and Lucius so they can focus on other characters.
- Character's motivation and rationale are mind-boggling at times. Do you seriously send the Police Commissioner down into the sewer while his second-in-command waiting around up above? Bane kidnapping the scientist by faking his death was needlessly complicated. What are the odds that they'll be able to pull of that heist perfectly without killing the scientist in the process? Pretty slim IMO. And there are ridiculous situations like the bomb which "will probably take 5 months, more or less" or so they say but as it turns out it has a precise timer anyway. Or Bruce losing all of his cash and become a bum but manage to get back to Gotham from overseas easily. Or Little girl somehow has the strength to make the jump and grapple onto the ledge while grown men can't do the same.
- In the 2nd act of the film, I feel the film stopped being a Batman film and turned into a police vs. terrorist flick. It seems the intention was to showcase John Blake's detective skill. But it was really jarring to have the focus shifted from Batman to this new character. On that note, it was eye-rolling that this character somehow figured out easily that Bruce is Batman while Gordon who's been working with Batman longer couldn't figure it out until the end. Hell, even Catwoman, Talia, and Bane knows right away that Bruce is Batman FFS!
- Gotham. Or just some random city like NY. There's nothing interesting or remarkable or memorable about this Gotham. Of course it's been like this since the 1st film, which is part of the problem that I have with this trilogy.
- The hovercraft looks ridiculous. It looks like an oversized toy that will crash down in flame anytime due to its weight. It flies like there's a cable connected to a large crane on top of it. Also, fight scenes were one big mess.
+ Catwoman feels like an after-thought but what we got of her was better than I expected. It's still not up to Pfeiffer's standard in "Returns" but she's definitely one of the better elements in this film. Her scenes with Batman are standard Bat/Cat repertoire that I enjoy so much so that clearly appeal to me.
+ The ending. I don't know why I like it. To be honest it's ridiculous how brief Bruce Wayne's stint as Batman was. Maybe it's the sense that we can finally wipe the slate clean. Maybe it's seeing Bruce and Selina together in Paris or whereever that was. Bruce/Selina end-game has always been my favorite part of Batman stories. Also seeing John "Robin" Blake possibly taking over the mantle gave me the goosebump.
- The audio/sound design is awful. You need to tone down the background music/sound when characters are talking so that we can hear what they say. But they failed in this regard. Characters often sound as if they're mumbling with Bane and Batman as the biggest offenders in this regard. Hearing dialogues in film shouldn't be an exercise in frustration.
- There are too many characters in this film. Look, I can understand the rationale for some of them. For example, they need Selina Kyle for the ending with Bruce to wrap up his story. They need Blake to continue his legacy. But I don't think the film need to tie the villain's evil plot back to Ra's story back in the first one. Just having Bane on his own was enough. Either him or Talia instead of both of them. Moreover, we don't need Gordon, Lucius, and Alfred showing up that much in the movie. I applaud them for getting rid of Alfred in the 1st act of the movie but they should also have done the same with Gordon and Lucius so they can focus on other characters.
- Character's motivation and rationale are mind-boggling at times. Do you seriously send the Police Commissioner down into the sewer while his second-in-command waiting around up above? Bane kidnapping the scientist by faking his death was needlessly complicated. What are the odds that they'll be able to pull of that heist perfectly without killing the scientist in the process? Pretty slim IMO. And there are ridiculous situations like the bomb which "will probably take 5 months, more or less" or so they say but as it turns out it has a precise timer anyway. Or Bruce losing all of his cash and become a bum but manage to get back to Gotham from overseas easily. Or Little girl somehow has the strength to make the jump and grapple onto the ledge while grown men can't do the same.
- In the 2nd act of the film, I feel the film stopped being a Batman film and turned into a police vs. terrorist flick. It seems the intention was to showcase John Blake's detective skill. But it was really jarring to have the focus shifted from Batman to this new character. On that note, it was eye-rolling that this character somehow figured out easily that Bruce is Batman while Gordon who's been working with Batman longer couldn't figure it out until the end. Hell, even Catwoman, Talia, and Bane knows right away that Bruce is Batman FFS!
- Gotham. Or just some random city like NY. There's nothing interesting or remarkable or memorable about this Gotham. Of course it's been like this since the 1st film, which is part of the problem that I have with this trilogy.
- The hovercraft looks ridiculous. It looks like an oversized toy that will crash down in flame anytime due to its weight. It flies like there's a cable connected to a large crane on top of it. Also, fight scenes were one big mess.
+ Catwoman feels like an after-thought but what we got of her was better than I expected. It's still not up to Pfeiffer's standard in "Returns" but she's definitely one of the better elements in this film. Her scenes with Batman are standard Bat/Cat repertoire that I enjoy so much so that clearly appeal to me.
+ The ending. I don't know why I like it. To be honest it's ridiculous how brief Bruce Wayne's stint as Batman was. Maybe it's the sense that we can finally wipe the slate clean. Maybe it's seeing Bruce and Selina together in Paris or whereever that was. Bruce/Selina end-game has always been my favorite part of Batman stories. Also seeing John "Robin" Blake possibly taking over the mantle gave me the goosebump.
It isn't about a happy ending. Couldn't give a shit about that.
The whole point of this trilogy was that Bruce was slowly destroying himself in his obsession (while necessary for himself and Gotham) and that he, at some point, needed to live.
FlashbladeGAF
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its your theater (reports of several theaters having audio issues)
but not all of them
audio was fine in mine
The way they tied tBane and Talia's backstory together with Ra's gave their goal more weight than simply deciding to destroy Gotham, just because
Just saw it for a second time, and the movie is only better because I could catch more lines of dialogue as I was now armed with the boon of seeing it already.
This was counteracted with the realization that some parts move really slow in a 180 minute movie you've already seen before, regardless of how good it is.
This was counteracted with the realization that some parts move really slow in a 180 minute movie you've already seen before, regardless of how good it is.
BotoxAgent
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I saw it last night. And I absolutely LOVED it!
I've always hated the fight scenes in the previous ones, mostly TDK. But it was a lot better this time around. I loved the scene when Batman and Selena were picking out baddies one by one, that's the Batman I love. I thought it was really well done. The fights with Bane were also a step up from the way fights were handled in previous films. Watching Batman getting destroyed by Bane was almost hard to watch....but it's nice to watch a superhero film were you actually feel the good guy has met his match, and in actual tangible danger.
I've always hated the fight scenes in the previous ones, mostly TDK. But it was a lot better this time around. I loved the scene when Batman and Selena were picking out baddies one by one, that's the Batman I love. I thought it was really well done. The fights with Bane were also a step up from the way fights were handled in previous films. Watching Batman getting destroyed by Bane was almost hard to watch....but it's nice to watch a superhero film were you actually feel the good guy has met his match, and in actual tangible danger.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Speaking of audio issue, at my second viewing one of the dialogue was missing but the CIA guy was moving his mouth. Pretty weird.
Yes, I can report that some theaters have much better sound mixes than others. My midnight showing was HORRIBLE. Everything felt divorced from the film.
Then I went into an IMAX and things were very different.
It honestly played a huge part in my enjoyment with each viewing.
I suppose youre only familiar with the new Batman movies. Anne Hathaway? Ha! The only true Catwoman is Julie Newmar, Lee Meriwether, or Eartha Kitt.
And why doesnt Batman dance anymore? Remember the Batusi?
triplestation
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Bane should have been memorable. He wasn't really..
Fucking hell Nolan.
Fucking hell Nolan.
PantherLotus
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Saw it tonight, fucking loved it. Already LOL'ing at the criticisms on this page. Good god people.
No, I'm pretty sure the mixing and sound engineering in this movie is atrocious.
Bane's voice seems like it's on a layer different from everything else. Also a lot of dialogue is muffled or unclear.
i thought both were excellent in the movies they were in. pfeiffer's was supposed to be a lot more fictiony and it works wonderfully. hathaway was more or less a normal person who had been beaten down by life and was sick of that shit, and it comes across pretty well too.
Razgriz-Specter
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Ranking please.
jk
The Storyteller
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She was as much a sidekick as Gordon, Lucius, Blake etc. Sculli is being silly (SHOCK).
The part in TDK that really bugs me is when Joker throws Rachel out the window and Batman leaps out to get her, for two reasons:
1) He catches her, but as they fall, he doesn't open his cape or shoot a grapnel or anything. They just fall from the top story, land on a car, and are perfectly fine.
2) The Joker is still up there with a bunch of people. Beyond the fact that this psychopath is in a room of innocent people doing who knows what, he's also trapped in the building, his only exits on the ground floor. This situation isn't really concluded. The people still need to be rescued and the Joker still needs to escape. But instead we just jump to the next scene.
And the part of BB that always makes me laugh:
Lady: "Bruce, you need to meet this man, he's so interesting! Ra's al Ghul, was it?"
Bruce: "You're not Ra's al Ghul. I watched him die."
And the lady just stands there and has no reaction to this.
1) He catches her, but as they fall, he doesn't open his cape or shoot a grapnel or anything. They just fall from the top story, land on a car, and are perfectly fine.
2) The Joker is still up there with a bunch of people. Beyond the fact that this psychopath is in a room of innocent people doing who knows what, he's also trapped in the building, his only exits on the ground floor. This situation isn't really concluded. The people still need to be rescued and the Joker still needs to escape. But instead we just jump to the next scene.
And the part of BB that always makes me laugh:
Lady: "Bruce, you need to meet this man, he's so interesting! Ra's al Ghul, was it?"
Bruce: "You're not Ra's al Ghul. I watched him die."
And the lady just stands there and has no reaction to this.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Bane's voice was on a different layer and I LOVED it. It gave him that authoritarian feel where what he says is far more important than that kid singing the national anthem.
chris121580
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What??? Bane was fucking terrifying. Hardy nailed it
I think I was most jarred by the fact that someone actually authorized 90% of Gotham's police to go on a search mission in the sewers. It was a rather excessive response by the GPD.
Blake figuring out that Bruce was Batman was based more on intuition than logic. Since he too was an orphan and he knew of the rage he had to cover up first hand plus his thirst for justice... he could feel the same emotions on Bruce and could tell that his persona to the public was a facade. Then he put 2 and 2 together. I wouldn't doubt that other people in Gotham have figured out that Bruce is Batman but they can't prove it really (or that guy in TDK who has proof but just doesn't want to spill the beans due to other circumstances). It's very likely that Blake played a bluff on Bruce and checked for a reaction to confirm his intuition.
Bane and Talia knew Batman was Bruce because they were members of the LoS. Catwoman didn't know it was Bruce until Bane announced it, you can tell it on her face.
Blake figuring out that Bruce was Batman was based more on intuition than logic. Since he too was an orphan and he knew of the rage he had to cover up first hand plus his thirst for justice... he could feel the same emotions on Bruce and could tell that his persona to the public was a facade. Then he put 2 and 2 together. I wouldn't doubt that other people in Gotham have figured out that Bruce is Batman but they can't prove it really (or that guy in TDK who has proof but just doesn't want to spill the beans due to other circumstances). It's very likely that Blake played a bluff on Bruce and checked for a reaction to confirm his intuition.
BotoxAgent
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yea, I feel the same, lol
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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LOL!!!
He sounded like a clown. I think he was playing the wrong character.
That's him "narrating" which is different. What I mean is like when he's talking and standing 20 feet away, but sounds like he's 2 feet away.
FlashbladeGAF
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read again
plenty of people including myself had no problems with the dialogue
why would I lie about that
id be just as pissed as anyone else if I paid for a 15 dollar movie ticket and couldnt hear half the movie
dark_chris
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I thought he was memorable. The mask, the way he speaks and his brutal strength. He was crazy yet he was intelligent.
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My favorite scene was Hardy showing his face, like a wink to the audience lol.
Ninja Scooter
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It's crazy the standard people apply to this movie as if there weren't plenty of "suspension of disbelief" moments in the previous two. You mean the district attorney getting a gun pulled on him in court, disarms it and then asked to continue his line of questioning? The Joker getting away from the bank heist on a bus that crashes INTO a building, then conveniently is blends in with a line of school buses and nobody notices?
The Storyteller
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That entire plotline made no sense to me. So they were able to send food down to them, lowered on a crane with massive crates, yet they couldnt send any of them up with that crane? Why couldn't they send down explosives to help them blow their way out? Were they down there for what, 3 months? And they did nothing to try and escape? Also when the finally all got free, they looked perfectly healthy in clean clothes etc. I feel like I've missed something, because this seemed like an egregious oversight and incredibly poor writing.
FlashbladeGAF
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half my face just got blown off but I dont need any meds
Ninja Scooter
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Bane's crew were allowing them to send food down, the cops were essentially hostages. That's why they sent in that special agent guy disguised as some sort of relief worker, because they were being allowed in the city.
BobbyRobby
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just got back.
it wasn't really good. the film was really full of itself and melodramatic. the batman-centric stuff was good. the action scenes were drawn out and didn't really hold my interest. there was so much to keep track of with all the peripheral characters that wasn't rewarding. i feel like it could have been a lot better if they trimmed out a lot of it.
it wasn't really good. the film was really full of itself and melodramatic. the batman-centric stuff was good. the action scenes were drawn out and didn't really hold my interest. there was so much to keep track of with all the peripheral characters that wasn't rewarding. i feel like it could have been a lot better if they trimmed out a lot of it.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Bruce and Rachel falling 60 storeys only to make love on the hood of the car always gets me. Harvey dent died on a fall that was barely three storeys!
FlashbladeGAF
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probably edited out for time
...hopefully
Bane's guys had total control of the city. It wasnt Gordon keeping them alive. It was Bane giving them all false hope making them believe they would make it thru this before taking that hope away
The TDK ones always bug me. Such a lazy, illogical resolution to that scene. I remember watching it the first time and going "HUH."
The BB ones are hilarious. And you forgot the best part: the lady walks off with the imposter Ra's nonchalantly afterwards.
Right, intuition. Even ignoring that, it was mind-bogglingly stupid for Bruce to immediately trust this stranger with the knowledge that he's Batman during their first meeting. This was a time when he was still hunted as Batman for killing Dent. And here he didn't even deny to a cop that he could be Batman.
The supplies was authorized by Bane's army. So they were controlling what were going in and out.
demosthenes
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Oh it's you. I just can't take any of your criticisms seriously.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Meds? Fuck meds! I'll just go to a bar and take a shot of tequila.
You mean Deckard Bain.
About the audio, my theater was really loud, but that was previews AND the movie. I don't think I usually have problems there either.
There were so many explosions and gunshots that were chest-shaking, and then the times when there weren't explosions and gunshots, the Hans Zimmer score was going BRAWWWWWWWW.
There were so many explosions and gunshots that were chest-shaking, and then the times when there weren't explosions and gunshots, the Hans Zimmer score was going BRAWWWWWWWW.
triplestation
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He was awesome in some scenes but in the end, his lasting impressions was just simply a man bigger and stronger than Batman. Nothing more than that. No motives for his terrorism. Just ''I need Batman out of the way so I can keep breaking things''.
And I'll be able to talk normally. No speech problems.
cj_iwakura
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I thought Bane was stellar in every respect. Pure imposing presence.
The Storyteller
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Okay then, I thought that might be the case. However Blake was talking to his partner constantly, he didn't think to rig some explosives to get them all out? It seemed like a way too convenient plotline, that wasn't thought through well at all.
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