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[-Pyromaniac-]

I like theatrical villain deaths, like Alan Rickman in Die Hard. I felt like he got what was coming to him. It was satisfying. Bane was a villain I was excited about and felt that he unleashed all kinds of hell on an entire city and our main character.

And then he goes out like a total punk and no big deal at all was made out of it.

I thought it was interesting how it shows how easy life would be for batman if he broke his no guns no rule, but alas, because he is the kind of hero he is, life is that much harder. But for someone like catwoman who doesn't abide by those rules, she was able to just dispose of him pretty easily while he was distracted.

No big deal was made of it because they had bigger fish to fry at that moment.

idk, I wanted to batman to exact full out revenge after he broke his back. It wouldn't fit in with the Talia twist and catwoman coming back, but I just wanted to see bats rip bane's mask completely off.

that would be a bit much for batman, to torture someone like that.

 

[Tekniqs]

Robin's reveal was definitely stupid. Really the only part that had me rolling my eyes.

A part that really stuck out from the tone of the film was when Bruce Wayne gets his leg implant straps and smashes a brick wall wearing sneakers. That was also stupid.

Also can somebody explain why Bane needed a mask? He was fucked up in the prison and had to undergo impromptu surgery, but I didn't really get the reason for the small pipes going into his mouth (and seemingly not connecting to anything?) He started having trouble breathing when Batman repeatedly punched him in the face and one of the tubes got dislodged.

Either it's something from the comics that I'm not getting or it's just a stupid visual design thing that they did so they could cover half his face and didn't have much thought put into.

it "holds his pain back" so i'm guessing it leaks some kind of anesthetic into his system. Said pain was probably from when he got fucked up in prison. Explains why Bats' attacks in the first fight had no ill effects on him.

 

[Veelk]

I like theatrical villain deaths, like Alan Rickman in Die Hard. I felt like he got what was coming to him. It was satisfying. Bane was a villain I was excited about and felt that he unleashed all kinds of hell on an entire city and our main character.

And then he goes out like a total punk and no big deal at all was made out of it.

He gets a TANK CANNON fired into him. If nothing else, that is respect given the kind of firepower it takes to actually stop that monstrosity.

 

[Mifune]

idk, I wanted to batman to exact full out revenge after he broke his back. It wouldn't fit in with the Talia twist and catwoman coming back, but I just wanted to see bats rip bane's mask completely off.

Okay, this I could see being very cool. But maybe a little out of character for Bats.

 

[Wilbur]

I think Tookay or Brandon have criticised the film for this, and it's one thing I would have loved to see a bit more; the reaction of Gothamites to the occupation of the city. Just little reaction shots of them watching Bane's speech, or some resorting to theft from shops or some trying to escape the mercs. Despite the boat act plodding a little in TDK I like that there's citizens reacting in it

 

[triplestation]

I also don't get the Bane death was underwhelming thing. I honestly cannot possibly imagine what way would have been better and also make sense.

BANE: IMAGINE THE FII --

*BOOM*

AUDIENCE: HHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH LMFAO

CATWOMMAN: uh i dont know bout ur no guns policyyyy

AUDIENCE: LMFFFFFFAAAAAAO

 

[SunhiLegend]

Fuck, the wait for the blu-ray is going to be so long.

 

[Penguin]

I didn't mind the actual way he went out, although Selina's bon mot was a little clunky. And I could have used a shot of his body for closure, just because all of these films are inconsistent with what kind of "damage" people can take. On one hand it seems completely ridiculous to think someone could survive getting blasted by a missile.. on the other hand, if he did survive it I wouldn't have thought twice about it.

Has it though?

I mean most people die when you think they die...

Ra's in a train explosion
Dent from a massive fall, which he didn't have time to embrace or slow down like Batman
Bane from being blown up by a missile from like 6 feet away

 

[Messypandas]

I think the problem Bane is dethroned as the biggest threat to Gotham moments before his death. When does the number 2 get a big speech and slow death scene in a film? Batman was all about dat Talia now

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

IMAGINE THE FII --

*BOOM*

AUDIENCE: HHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH LMFAO

CATWOMMAN: uh i dont know bout ur no guns policyyyy

AUDIENCE: LMFFFFFFAAAAAAO

lol I don't know what movie theatre you went to, but you should stop going there.

 

[triplestation]

lol I don't know what movie theatre you went to, but you should stop going there.

Still feels intentional those scenes were cues for that sort of laughter.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Still feels intentional those scenes were cues for that sort of laughter.

that's her thing though. She's like spider-man, throwing out zingers whenever possible. SHE IS A CATTY BROAD.

 

[Wilbur]

Still feels intentional those scenes were cues for that sort of laughter.

No shit Selina's one liner was meant to make people laugh

 

[neorej]

He gets a TANK CANNON fired into him. If nothing else, that is respect given the kind of firepower it takes to actually stop that monstrosity.

in all fairness, given the shear firepower in said cannon, Bane should have been reduced to minced meat, spread all over that lobby.

I DEMAND A MYTHBUSTERSSPECIAL!

 

[Veelk]

Still feels intentional those scenes were cues for that sort of laughter.

What was Catwoman's quip at the end there for if not as a joke? I'm just arguing that it doesn't ruin the character in any way.

The audience does sound obnoxious though.

 

[Ape Gone Insane]

lol I don't know what movie theatre you went to, but you should stop going there.

Especially if they are using internet acronyms like 'LMFAO' IRL/spoken conversation.

 

[Messypandas]

in all fairness, given the shear firepower in said cannon, Bane should have been reduced to minced meat, spread all over that lobby.

I DEMAND A MYTHBUSTERSSPECIAL!

concussive blasts old bean. The age old Cyclops excuse

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

I like theatrical villain deaths, like Alan Rickman in Die Hard. I felt like he got what was coming to him. It was satisfying. Bane was a villain I was excited about and felt that he unleashed all kinds of hell on an entire city and our main character.

And then he goes out like a total punk and no big deal at all was made out of it.

Bane's "undoing" is a little more nuanced than the other two villain defeats in the trilogy. (Oh, and Two-Face. Three defeats.) Batman "breaks" Bane, first by refusing to be broken himself and coming back, and then of course physically beating the holy shit out of him. When Bane resorts to a gun to blow away Batman, he's already completely finished. The satisfaction is more in the "defeat" than the death, which is kind of an afterthought at that point. But I totally understand wanting to see something a little more.. operatic, I guess?

That said, taking the mask off would have come off a little cliched to me.

 

[triplestation]

that's her thing though. She's like spider-man, throwing out zingers whenever possible. SHE IS A CATTY BROAD.

And in result it felt like something you'd expect from Judd Apatow. Joker's material was dark and brilliant.

 

[Wilbur]

Especially if they are using internet acronyms like 'LMFAO' IRL/spoken conversation.

Imagine 300 people saying lumpfhao when someone says something funny. Imagine the fire.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

Bane's "undoing" is a little more nuanced than the other two villain defeats in the trilogy. (Oh, and Two-Face. Three defeats.) Batman "breaks" Bane, first by refusing to be broken himself and coming back, and then of course physically beating the holy shit out of him. When Bane resorts to a gun to blow away Batman, he's already completely finished. The satisfaction is more in the "defeat" than the death, which is kind of an afterthought at that point. But I totally understand wanting to see something a little grander.

That said, taking the mask off would have come off a little cliched to me.

I loved Bane's face when he commented on how Bruce got out of the bit. You can tell he looked defeated. He witnessed then and there, THE BETTER MAN.

And in result it felt like something you'd expect from Judd Apatow. Joker's material was dark and brilliant.

yeah but the joker character is dark and brilliant to begin with

 

[Speevy]

Bane's death made total sense because it fit Bruce's story.

Bruce Wayne gathered all of his strength and was broken by Bane, so he regroups and fights Bane again, and wins. However, Talia stabs him, which allows Bane to have the upper hand.

Batman is in a dire, vulnerable situation. So what happens?

Selina Kyle decides to reward the faith Batman placed in her by going back to Gotham. She kills Bane. The most interesting new character in the movie kills the villain of the movie. Seems perfect to me.

Bruce learns the lesson that his blind trust in Talia was misguided, and that he cannot win without depending on others, further reinforcing his decision to hang up the Batsuit.

If Bruce had beaten Bane on his own, Talia would have been forced to either detonate the bomb some other way, or to continue using Bruce's company to fuel her devious plans.

 

[triplestation]

I loved Bane's face when he commented on how Bruce got out of the bit. You can tell he looked defeated. He witnessed then and there, THE BETTER MAN.


yeah but the joker character is dark and brilliant to begin with

And on par with what Nolan had established. Catwoman was awkward in this universe, and so were a lot of other things in this film.

She freaking kills Bane. A villain on terms so personal to Bruce, that should have been defeated solely by Batman himself in a most glorious way. Instead he ends in a Judd Apatow spirit.

 

[The Technomancer]

I agree 100%. The shot of all 3 of those heads made me giggle inwardly. The rest was par for the course, didn't mind it. Bit of an awkward head drop by her but no biggy.

To be fair, maybe they wanted to make sure she was dying/dead.

I giggled inwardly at that moment because IIRC that was the fourth shot of Batman derp face in the movie.

 

[Veelk]

And in result it felt like something you'd expect from Judd Apatow. Joker's material was dark and brilliant.

Joker's jokes worked better just because of the delivery.

"Lets not....blow...this out of proportion."

That's a lame pun that wouldn't be strange in adam west's batman, but the audience found it hilarious when he said it. And that he was a deadly villain added a unique flavor. Catwoman is lighter and, really, you couldn't work it any other way that I could see. She can't be as dark, and Catwoman can't deliver a joke as good as the joker which...is normal. He is the Joker afterall.

She did a good job with the material she had. It was fine.

 

[rollingstart]

The more I think about it, did Batman ever say anything cool to Bane? Only one is stolen from Bane, like telling Ra's "you never learned to mind your surroundings"--how unoriginal. Batman should have stayed in the league until his mic skills rivaled those of Ra's and Bane.

 

[-Pyromaniac-]

The more I think about it, did Batman ever say anything cool to Bane? Only one is stolen from Bane, like telling Ra's "you never learned to mind your surroundings"--how unoriginal. Batman should have stayed in the league until his mic skills rivaled those of Ra's and Bane.

he probably ditched the training before they got to the freestyling lesson because Bane and Ra's were dropping bombs.

 

[Wilbur]

The more I think about it, did Batman ever say anything cool to Bane? Only one is stolen from Bane, like telling Ra's "you never learned to mind your surroundings"--how unoriginal. Batman should have stayed in the league until his mic skills rivaled those of Ra's and Bane.

To be fair he didn't get to say much when he was getting fucked all over the sewers.

 

[Mifune]

The more I think about it, did Batman ever say anything cool to Bane? Only one is stolen from Bane, like telling Ra's "you never learned to mind your surroundings"--how unoriginal. Batman should have stayed in the league until his mic skills rivaled those of Ra's and Bane.

James Bond he ain't, that's for sure.

 

[Messypandas]

Batman had the worst comeback in the history of movies.

BANE: COMEBACK TO DIE?

BATMAN: NO, I CAME BACK TO STOP YOU

I was embarrassed for him. He had 5 months to thick of something witty and badass and that was the best he came up with smh

 

[JoeInky]

To be fair he didn't get to say much when he was getting fucked all over the sewers.

It's kinda sad that his best line in the entire movie was that fucking roar when he was being beaten the shit out of by bane.

Reminded me of the armour upgrade image from arkham asylum.

 

[JB1981]

Damn the track Imagine the Fire is awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYFedk8EBQ&feature=related

 

[triplestation]

Batman had the worst comeback in the history of movies.

BANE: COMEBACK TO DIE?

BATMAN: NO, I CAME BACK TO STOP YOU

I was embarrassed for him. He had 5 months to thick of something witty and badass and that was the best he came up with smh

This made me cringe. I think that was the point where I confirmed that shit movie was a disappointment.

 

[Veelk]

It's kinda sad that his best line in the entire movie was that fucking roar when he was being beaten the shit out of by bane.

I'm partial to Batman's ironic echo to Bane. Unoriginal, perhaps, but more meaningful given what happened.

But yeah, Rapport is not bruce's strength.

 

[Messypandas]

It's kinda sad that his best line in the entire movie was that fucking roar when he was being beaten the shit out of by bane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXDQrnoqSXo&feature=player_detailpage#t=65s

 

[Wilbur]

Batman had the worst comeback in the history of movies.

BANE: COMEBACK TO DIE?

BATMAN: NO, I CAME BACK TO STOP YOU

I was embarrassed for him. He had 5 months to thick of something witty and badass and that was the best he came up with smh

I think the line was 'come back to die with your city?

He should have said 'no I came back to save it'

Or alternatively, 'yo bane I'm calling you and yo mama out dat bitch leavin her little white ass son to rot in dat prison yo why she gotta go do dat son? For dat I gotta beat on her ass figuratively you know, I don't mean I wanna be all up in dat ugly ass bitch but damn I'm gonna fuck her shit up and when I'm done wit dat ugly ass I'm gonna come beat on yo ass and naw naw dat don't mean I wanna be all up inside you bro I already done banged yo girl son but I'm gonna beat you ass til dat mask looks representative of yo asshole son'

 

[Extra Sauce]

This movie needs an additional 45 minutes to level out pacing and add more character exposition. Bane deserved a better death. I think Catwoman needed much much more depth. In my dreams there is a flawless director's cut of this movie

It also needs to compress some of the unnecessarily convoluted plot points. So in a perfect world, that flawless director's cut would be around 3 hours.

Actually, the hypothetical flawless cut would include Joker having some wicked fun with apocalyptic Gotham. Oh man, that would make TDKR automatically perfect.

R.I.P. Heath

 

[cj_iwakura]

Damn the track Imagine the Fire is awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYFedk8EBQ&feature=related

Awesome line, too. There was one track with some amazing chanting, I think it played when him and Catwoman were fighting the mob.

 

[.GqueB.]

Bane's death made total sense because it fit Bruce's story.

Bruce Wayne gathered all of his strength and was broken by Bane, so he regroups and fights Bane again, and wins. However, Talia stabs him, which allows Bane to have the upper hand.

Batman is in a dire, vulnerable situation. So what happens?

Selina Kyle decides to reward the faith Batman placed in her by going back to Gotham. She kills Bane. The most interesting new character in the movie kills the villain of the movie. Seems perfect to me.

Bruce learns the lesson that his blind trust in Talia was misguided, and that he cannot win without depending on others, further reinforcing his decision to hang up the Batsuit.

If Bruce had beaten Bane on his own, Talia would have been forced to either detonate the bomb some other way, or to continue using Bruce's company to fuel her devious plans.

Learns what lesson? He asked Selina for help in finding Bane. He asked for Blakes help. He asked for Selinas help again in the end. He already learned that lesson. That death was nothing more than a cool little thing Nolan wanted to do and nothing more. Let's not over think this.

I would've preferred if Batman got so desperate that he actually killed Bane out of desperation. But that wouldn't have work because they never really sold him as a menacing villain. He was handled so fucking poorly it's ridiculous.

 

[triplestation]

It also needs to compress some of the unnecessarily convoluted plot points. So in a perfect world, that flawless director's cut would be around 3 hours.

Actually, the hypothetical flawless cut would include Joker having some wicked fun with apocalyptic Gotham. Oh man, that would make TDKR automatically perfect.

R.I.P. Heath

This film did not take it's time at all.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

So I really liked the movie. It had a lot of great stuff going for it, but thats no fun to talk about. Here are the problems I had with it:

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE:

-Oh, you've had a limp for 8 years? Why didnt you just slap on this this Bat-brace and *clang* fixed! Now why dont you just kick this conveniently placed cinder block. That shit was fucking terrible, specially when you know for a fact he doesnt even need the brace later on (he doesnt have it in the pitwhile he breaks the long jump record)

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE 2:

Oh whats that? you got a vertebrae sticking out of your skin? Ill just push it back in! Then, you know, STAY IN PLACE for a few days, weeks, months and then you'll be fine! Good as new? Its good to know that in the world of Batman everything can be fixed so goddamn easy

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE 3:

This one is short, but apparently after 8 years of not being Batman, getting in the best shape of your life is exceptionally easy. No muscle degeneration, no arthritis or muscle atrophy to speak of, just do some push ups and pull ups and bam, good to go. At least address these issues a bit more seriously, dammit.

The problem with these 3 things is that theyre not needed. This movie sells itself as a very serious experience, but when they pull medical issues out of their ass like this, it cheapens the whole experience and whats worse, it doesnt fit.

Another issue I had is with the presentation. When Batman comes back after 8 years and when he returns to Gotham it was very, very anticlimactic both times. He just kinda shows up and aims a weird electro gun that we dont know what it does and .. I dont know. Theres no sense of grand entrance at all, just a "oh hey, Im back whassup"

Last sticking point is the 8 year gap. Its too long. In order for it to make more sense go with a shorter gap, like 4 years or so, that way the lack of aging on Michael Cane isnt as annoying

 

[Inferno313]

Am I the only one who nearly squealed when Batman used the "Then you have my permission to die" line back at Bane? So good.

 

[Penguin]

http://youtu.be/nFfozZTjItQ?t=1m40s

Alfred is a dirty, dirty liar!

He gave up on Bruce!

 

[JB1981]

why are people talking about a directors cut. pretty sure nolan has never done one.

 

[neojubei]

At least Lizard had some sense of closure. And I hated ASM.

what closure?

 

[Quackula]

So I really liked the movie. It had a lot of great stuff going for it, but thats no fun to talk about. Here are the problems I had with it:

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE:

-Oh, you've had a limp for 8 years? Why didnt you just slap on this this Bat-brace and *clang* fixed! Now why dont you just kick this conveniently placed cinder block. That shit was fucking terrible, specially when you know for a fact he doesnt even need the brace later on (he doesnt have it in the pitwhile he breaks the long jump record)

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE 2:

Oh whats that? you got a vertebrae sticking out of your skin? Ill just push it back in! Then, you know, STAY IN PLACE for a few days, weeks, months and then you'll be fine! Good as new? Its good to know that in the world of Batman everything can be fixed so goddamn easy

LOL MEDICAL SCIENCE 3:

This one is short, but apparently after 8 years of not being Batman, getting in the best shape of your life is exceptionally easy. No muscle degeneration, no arthritis or muscle atrophy to speak of, just do some push ups and pull ups and bam, good to go. At least address these issues a bit more seriously, dammit.

The problem with these 3 things is that theyre not needed. This movie sells itself as a very serious experience, but when they pull medical issues out of their ass like this, it cheapens the whole experience and whats worse, it doesnt fit.

Another issue I had is with the presentation. When Batman comes back after 8 years and when he returns to Gotham it was very, very anticlimactic both times. He just kinda shows up and aims a weird electro gun that we dont know what it does and .. I dont know. Theres no sense of grand entrance at all, just a "oh hey, Im back whassup"

Last sticking point is the 8 year gap. Its too long. In order for it to make more sense go with a shorter gap, like 4 years or so, that way the lack of aging on Michael Cane isnt as annoying

Two Face has an eyeball that stays moist despite the fact that it has no eyelid. He can also say lines that contain the letter 'm' despite having no cheek.

 

[kunonabi]

I thought the second fight with Bane was pretty awful. Bruce goes through hell in order to get back to gotham and fight bane but the only difference in how the fight played out was he punched the mask. Why the hell didn't he just do that in the first place?

As for the film in general I thought it was pretty meh. Better than Begins but I had issues with pretty much everything in the film. I'm going to see it again with my father so I'll see how it holds up with a second viewing.

 

[The Technomancer]

So I really liked the movie. It had a lot of great stuff going for it, but thats no fun to talk about. Here are the problems I had with it:

...

The problem with these 3 things is that theyre not needed. This movie sells itself as a very serious experience, but when they pull medical issues out of their ass like this, it cheapens the whole experience and whats worse, it doesnt fit.

This stuff was especially jarring considering how they had the scene I liked in the beginning where the doctor basically says "yeah dude, your body is fucked"

 

[triplestation]

You know what's funny.. Remember the spoiler way back?

BANE KILLS ALFRED!
BANE KILLS ALFRED!
BANE KILLS ALFRED!

Remember that shit? lol

That false thought was more emotional than the entire actual movie.

 

[JB1981]

i thought his re-entrance was pretty fucking awesome. anyway, it's not meant to be something like Superman returning to Earth. Batman is a cop killer in the eyes of the public, he's not supposed to be some hero they all look up to.