Where you not paying attention to the movie? Bruce wasn't even in The Bat when it dropped the nuke. The ending was real, Bruce was sitting there with Selina.
No, the movie did not end with a delusional Alfred.
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Where you not paying attention to the movie? Bruce wasn't even in The Bat when it dropped the nuke. The ending was real, Bruce was sitting there with Selina.
No, the movie did not end with a delusional Alfred.
Vincent Alexander
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I had to google that ending again. I wouldn't want Alfred to smile (too obvious). I wouldn't want to hear Bruce (too obvious). He just looks up and stares at something for a decent while. Then cut.
BruceLeeRoy
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Indeed man, Indeed.
Going for my 3rd time tonight(making the rounds with all the 1st timers) I can't believe how much more I enjoyed it the 2nd time.
ViewtifulJC
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Alfred's speech was basically the same one Ben Affleck's character in Good Will Hunting did.
"The best part of my day when I pull up to your door, and hope you aren't there still doing this shit"
"The best part of my day when I pull up to your door, and hope you aren't there still doing this shit"
-Pyromaniac-
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I love how Nolan totally incepted everyone to now doubt everything.
it's definitely better on multiple viewings!
What i mean is that I recognize that they're more skilled than I am, but if a scientist fails to find the cure for cancer, then I am in no position to be angry at them for it. The only way I would feel that would be justified if if I would have been able to find cancer in their place.
Anyway, what I don't get is if you are unwilling to support, defend or even explain your opinion besides a unsubstantiated hypothetical that nolan could have somhow, someway made it better, then why are you in this thread? Whats there to discuss if you have nothing to offer and refuse to take any criticism of your opinion?
Yup. Chiropractic methods are a thing, and it's not like Bruce's spine was actually snapped in two.
I'm so confused man. I thought they said autopilot was broken.
Can you please explain this?
There's a scene right at the end where a technician guy tells Morgan Freeman that Bruce Wayne fixed the autopilot six months ago.
He goes by Wayne Bruce now.
He goes by Wayne Bruce now.
brandonh83
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Showing Alfred looking up and getting a look on his face, period, and then going from that to Blake in the cave would have been so perfect. Showing Bruce, IMO, completely undermined and made the dying in the nuclear blast thing lose its impact. I already didn't like the nuclear explosion thing to begin with, but had they actually stuck to the impact they tried to go with, as in-- that's the last time we, the audience, sees Batman/Bruce, it would have been a lot more effective.
Then showing each character getting their individual moment of realization, finally ending on Alfred maybe seeing something that he's been wanting to see for years, would have been incredibly poignant. Instead, we get the most corny, on the nose reveal-- everything is fine, there's Bruce and Selina, bro-fist head nod, etc. Completely ruined it.
I have supported and defended and explained my opinion. I can't help it that you feel as if I haven't, or disagree with the way I've attempted to back my feelings up. I feel like I can't "win" this discussion with you unless I flat out write a better ending. Like I said, I can't do that, and I wouldn't even if I felt like I could. What I can do, and all I can do, is attempt to articulate why almost everything in the final act rubbed me the wrong way.
And I'm not the only person. There are other people in this very thread that felt these things weren't that great either, but I don't see you challenging them to come up with something better.
Vyse The Legend
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If Bruce had died, it would've been the biggest, most trite, most cliched ending ever. The hero sacrificing himself for others. Yawn.
I was so upset when I thought that was where it would end, but thrilled that Nolan managed to close it out in a satisfying and unique way while still maintaining his ideals that Batman is a symbol, not the man under the cowl.
I was so upset when I thought that was where it would end, but thrilled that Nolan managed to close it out in a satisfying and unique way while still maintaining his ideals that Batman is a symbol, not the man under the cowl.
Messypandas
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I know what you're saying, but it was specifically to give closure to Selina aswell (her identity was clear now and they can both start new lives). People wouldn't naturally assume Selina was with Bruce
Couldn't agree more. Thats why he's Batman, he always has an escape plan. You can just imagine the big ass smile on Lucius' face. He had everyone fooled
SunhiLegend
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-Pyromaniac-
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at the end. It is mentioned that the auto-pilot was fixed and signed for or something 6 months ago, and Fox says by who? And the guy says Bruce Wayne.
Thomas would make more sense.
Ninja Scooter
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Do some people take like 7 piss breaks during movies? How do you guys miss the most obvious and blatant story points?
And really it doesn't matter because I seriously doubt WB will hand over the franchise to potentially a great new director and then force them to make a Batman movie without Bruce Wayne and JGL already cast as a lead.
In this self contained trilogy Nolan is closing off Bruce's story both as Batman and his obsession to constantly come back to Gotham to save it.
He has in his own eyes redeemed himself for his parent's death and learned to move on from Rachels (with help from Alfred and Anne Hathaways's flexible bendable body). He is done and he can't continue to be Batman. But the idea or the legend can always live on whether Blake becomes Robin or the next Batman.
Personally I loved the ending (though it was over-hyped) but I would HATE HATE HATE a follow up movie with JGL as Batman. I just hate the notion of Batman not being Bruce. I know it exists in the comics and I know there is place for it but its a personal preference. Only way it would work is if its Batman Beyond scenario where Bruce is still there mentoring the new young guy. But to me Bruce is Batman and forever should be.
My personal ending to the trilogy would have been Alfred dying (by Talia) and Bruce just accepting that he can't be recluse or hope for some retirement as Bruce, but that he is forever Batman till he physically can't do it anymore.
She was justified though. Those people down there raped and killed her mother and were about to do much worse to her.
Halcyon
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That's still too much. They should have just shown Alfred going to a completely different cafe. If it was the same cafe then it would have been way too obvious and we are all too smart to have cliches in our movies.
The Mana Legend
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Did anyone actually care about Selina's character anyways?
At the end, when Fox is talking to the guys working on the Bat, they tell him that the autopilot was actually fixed 6 months ago. Fox asks them to check the log to see who did it, they say "Bruce Wayne...".
I'm trying to keep my posters straight- you were not a fan after the first viewing if I am remembering correctly?
Reagan's BR
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How do people even think it is Alfred's imagination that Bruce is alive? Could Nolan spell it out any more? Does he need to go in an cut a scene where Batman swoops into Gotham, takes off his mask revealing his identity while yelling, "HEY GUYS YOURE WELCOME FOR SAVING YOU FROM THE NUKE I AM ALIVE IN ITALY AND IM MARRYING CATWOMAN. THANKS FOR THE STATUE."
What movie are people watching?
What movie are people watching?
"I don't know guys, that didn't REALLY look like Bruce Wayne. I think Batman hired a double so after he dies, he can make people believe he was still alive, but he's not."
Messypandas
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They cared that Bruce' dry spell was over. Remember Alfred in the Bentley?
Still too much. They should have showed Alfred winding down for bed in his Florence Chateau, taking in his glass of milk into the master bedroom only to see Bruce and Selina banging doggy style. "Another time then" cuts to credits
SonicMegaDrive
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Couldn't agree more. Dark for the sake of dark does not mean 'good'. There would have been nothing poetic about Bruce dying. This movie was better for ending on the note it did.
I wonder if he did it because of the apparent backlash of the inception ending that he received with 'too much ambiguity'.
BruceLeeRoy
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GAWD DAMN! I just...I don't even know anymore. I am so close to saying stuff that is going to get me banned I need to get out of this thread.
Honestly, after all the obnoxious debates about Inception's ending, I'm glad this movie just told you straight up front what was going on.
Getting that out of the way has allowed us to actually discuss the movie for a majority of this thread, and not what was going on with the ending.
Why would anyone take a piss break DURING a movie? How weak is your bladder that you can't hold it for 2 and half hours?
TrumanBurbank
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Backlash? Inception ending was the one of the best things about it.
demosthenes
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I often wonder about this. Seems like a lot of complaints on GAF come from where people just don't seem to know what they're talking about.
Damn my bad I totally missed that part about 6 months. Thanks guys.
Lol I love the guy at the end of the video. 'That was the shit man.'
brandonh83
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I find it funny; in Mark Kermode's review he talks about how Nolan treats the audience like they're smart. Weird, considering all of the blatant and unnecessary hand-holding.
TheKaeptain
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How did everyone seem to miss the scene of the tech guys explaining to Fox that the autopilot software for the BAT was fixed?
It fucking saddens me. I've bitched several times in this thread about my distaste for Nolan using flashbacks and not trusting his audience.......and yet, as more and more of these questions come along, I see the Nolan was justified in his actions.
I swear some people needed another shot in between Bruce's goodbye to Gordon and the bomb going off showing Bruce bailing for them to "get it".
:_(
Alfred has actually been in a coma for the duration of the entire trilogy, after suffering an accident in an attempt to find Bruce Wayne after he disappeared initially before traveling the world. The trilogy is actually the dreams that Alfred is having during that coma, depicting a wild fantasy about how Bruce returns to Gotham and fights crime.
Bruce has actually been dead for years, murdered shortly after arriving in whatever eastern country the boat took him to in BB.
Reagan's BR
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I don't even want to know how Inception, Shutter Island, or other "vague" endings are interpreted by people like that.
If you can't understand simple plot elements like the end of TDKR how do you enjoy any films?
A really good friend and Batman fanatic didn't get to see it yet. He has two babies (1 year old) and a 1 week old so he has to find time. But watching with him the 2nd (or maybe 3rd) time will be epic.
I agree 100%. Now go read a lot of the popular reviews about inceptions ending and messageboard posters bitching and moaning about it. I thought it was brilliantly handled, but tehre was a huge backlash about it online.
Sorcerer
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If I go to a chiropracter can he put me in touch with Ra's al ghul?
Is that something that happens while backs get fixed?
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I told you that stuff was necessary. And this is GAF, where presumably the savvy reside. Imagine the "outside world" the mainstream!
apparently, some ppl still need a shot of the director, telling what they just saw.
BruceLeeRoy
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Oh man that is going to be a great time.
If you're Batman, sure.
brandonh83
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What's insane is how the smallest things make such a massive impact on the quality of the film... in my opinion. But the truth is, I would have felt vastly better about the ending if, simply, it lacked the shot of Bruce and Selina. It's insane how such a thing can matter so much, but it absolutely can and in this case, absolutely does.
Messypandas
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Exactly, people complain because Inception teased its cathartic closure and complained this was too explicit. You'll never please everyone
BruceLeeRoy
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I am honestly getting worried about the future of the human race. I was at the beach yesterday and was with my cousin and her friends and all 3 of them thought Bruce Wayne was dead.....Good news is now I have one less cousin to worry about.
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