I can't believe this movie is getting such negative comments. Do I have such poor taste that I can't recognize the "bad acting" (that scene between Bale and Caine on the staircase was amazing), the bad soundtrack, and the unbelievability of the plot (all was within the realm of plausibility to me as long as you've accepted everything so far).
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In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
Ivy is the easiest to fit in a realistic imagining. She always seemed like an extremist environmentalist. Very doable.
Freeze is tougher but would be very very interesting. Its a shame we haven't got a good rendition of him on screen yet.
Black Mask or Penguin would basically be a gangster movie.
Riddler would only be as good as the puzzles, IMO not a very interesting villain.
Freeze is tougher but would be very very interesting. Its a shame we haven't got a good rendition of him on screen yet.
Black Mask or Penguin would basically be a gangster movie.
Riddler would only be as good as the puzzles, IMO not a very interesting villain.
vas_a_morir
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But not the one it needs right now. So we'll ban him, because he can take it.
SonicMegaDrive
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Exactly what my impression was.
Wait, what?
Stephen Colbert
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Not true. A lot of what doesn't make sense to you in the first half of the movie clicks the second time. I found it flawed the first viewing but liked it immensely the second viewing
The only device capable of stopping the bomb is killed at the football field isn't it? The stopping the trigger man was just so they have more time to handle it.
I can't remember exactly what Gordon was doing in the back. Someone enlighten me?
There's a lot of visceral, very "instant reaction" feelings going in this thread.
I think a second viewing made me appreciate the film on its own merits.
No, the core can be stabilized if placed back within the reactor....
Seriously, I can't get over how amazingly well Nolan and Co. delivered on that. The ending is absolutely incredible in every way. Bruce finally does learn to forgive himself and make a real, full life for himself without the shackles of guilt and the past weighing him down anymore. Batman becomes an eternal symbol, one that will be passed on through the ages.
I have my issues with the trilogy, but I'll be goddamned if both the journey AND the destination weren't absolutely worth every bit of it.
I have my issues with the trilogy, but I'll be goddamned if both the journey AND the destination weren't absolutely worth every bit of it.
This is ridiculous to me. Why would they never speak again?
-Pyromaniac-
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it's just a minority, for starters. And like I said, this is the internet age where everyone is a faux critic. If only people would just sit back and watch movies, leave the analyzing to those who get paid for it. As long as something isn't blatantly slapping me in the face with its badness, I don't even care. I just want to be entertained. And if you're a person that can't be this way, then I am sorry
Again, they want to give bruce the hope that he can stop the bomb detonating by placing it in the reactor only to have it taken away from him when they reveal that the reactor is going to be flooded.
That's what I'm hearing, especially in that TDKR Oscars? thread. I just don't see it.
I agree. This trilogy is, without a doubt, one of my favorites right alongside the LOTR and Star Wars original trilogy.
Messypandas
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Alligatorjandro
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I would like to see JGL get to star in his own super hero movie.
2 reasons:
1. It's what Alfred wanted. He directly said this.
2. Let's also not forget that Alfred and Bruce's relationship is now irreparably damaged. Alfred dropping the bomb on Bruce after 8 years about Rachel was the point of no return. As Alfred himself said (paraphrased) "I know this now means you hate me, but if it saves your life, its worth it".
ViewtifulJC
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Everybody gets a happy ending, except the citizens of Gotham. In fact, the movie shows that the citizens rising up, taking back the city that's controlled their lives and robbed them of their wealth for years, is a bad thing, and big bad billionaires will fuck you if you do and re-establish the status quo.
Angels in the Outfield is the best you're going to get.
SonicMegaDrive
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killing me over here
There are plenty of convenient plot whose existence begins and ends with artificially propping up the story and creating artificial suspense.
Like Batman having roughly 2 minutes to fly away an explosive with a 6 mile blast radius. Never mind the fact that the blast radius obviously extends far past that, or the fact that his Bat plane would have to be traveling at like 300-400 MPH to realistically make it within that time table, but he has time to escape (artificial suspense) on top of all this within that 2 minute window?
From what the film supplies us with, it's clear that he at least made some of that journey out past the city limits and into the ocean, so it's unlikely that he'd have enough time to escape that blast radius.
1 - He meant it for that one moment not forever
2 - Bruce doesn't hate him and now he has sexy Catwoman not Droopy Rachel
Alligatorjandro
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Who would have ever thought that kid would become Batman.
Messypandas
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I didn't get that message, can you elaborate? Bane was by no means representing that. He was a misguided fascist
The ending totally saved the movie. It's been said it's the worst and best of the trilogy and I can go along with that but only because of the ending. The ending was masterful.
I think it was a better film than it was a Batman film if that makes any sense.
But what they had during Bane's occupation was total anarchy that even the Joker would be envious of.
That scene where Bane's henchmen arrests Commissioner Gordon:
Thug: "Commissioner Gordon, you're under arrest."
Gordon: "Under who's authority?"
Thug: "The People of Gotham."
The whole "give the power back to the people of Gotham" was just a facade, and truly they were simply living in a terrorist occupied state. It wasn't really the peoples' will nor authority to arrest Gordon, but rather it was Bane using that excuse as a guise to arrest Gordon because he was a threat.
The people only had as much power and authority as Bane was willing to seemingly provide them, and just enough to meet the expectations of his and Talia's plan.
edit: Nevermind, it wasn't really fully anarchical. It was simply a terrorist occupied state. I do remember Bane saying to the people that they should live how they want, though, and not be chained down by the establishment.
Lion Heart
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Wasn't there an explosion when the Bat was taking the nuke away? I think thats when Bruce bailed but I could be wrong.
Sorcerer
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When Bruce is woken up by the doorbell, his first word is Alfred. Obviously he slept whatever anger he had at Alfred off, and did not really belive Alfred would pack up and leave.
If Alfred hung around lone day later things would have been fine. But Batman is broken by Bane shortly after and everthing escaltes.
It all works for the plot of course.
FlutterPuffs
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I loved the head nod.
It's a subtle thing you see in a lot of Korean/Japanese movies, where characters acknowledge what the other would do or have done with the most manly fucking head nod they can give.
Hollywood movies have that walking away from explosions bit. Asian movies has the head nod.
It's a subtle thing you see in a lot of Korean/Japanese movies, where characters acknowledge what the other would do or have done with the most manly fucking head nod they can give.
Hollywood movies have that walking away from explosions bit. Asian movies has the head nod.
If you want to frame it that way, there's bits in the movie that could support such a viewpoint, but it also ignores other interpretations and even other scenes within the movie.
But the whole "citizens revolt" thing was a sham instituted by a totalitarian nut and freed criminals, so I don't even know if that's a valid interpretation.
so I just looked it up...
supposedely the max Imax runtime is 158 minutes, while DKR was 164 minutes... Anyone know how they go around this? Maybe the credits aren't in Imax or something? is that possible??
Joe Shlabotnik
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As much as it was annoying that you were getting harped on to come up with a better ending (which is ridiculous), now you're being silly. Meeting like this was exactly Alfred's fantasy. He told it to Bruce. This isn't them meeting by chance, Bruce does this deliberately to give Alfred the closure he dreamed about. It has nothing to do with what "would really happen" but with what is explicitly and consistently said and felt by characters in the movie.
ViewtifulJC
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I will admit that Bane is little more then a big evil cat playing with his food, but I still feel, coming out in 2012, that the rioting mobs have a definite "give the poor power, and this is what they do" vibe, especially in the moment where Holly asks Selina why she isn't happier, because isn't this exactly what the wanted?
Elfforkusu
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You could probably attribute much of the sacking and violence to the freed criminals, though. Many ordinary citizens probably hid in their homes, regardless of financial status.
I just got my own place, and I don't have a whole lot of money, but if Bane walked into town and I was thrust into that position I wouldn't run around ransacking the homes of the wealthy just because a mad man now has control of my city.
NullPointer
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This was setup from the earliest moments of the film with the subtlety of a warhammer to the forehead. Of course it was going to end in exactly this manner.
The structure of the movie makes sense on paper, but in execution so much of it is hamfisted and forced. I guess I expected much more.
I watched it last night, liked it quite a bit. Although I do think I prefer TDK.
Some impressions:
-Bane was really weak as a villain. Not nearly as threatening as the Joker was.
-Bruce Wayne should've died. As soon as it was found that the auto-pilot was fixed, you could see the ending coming a mile away.
-The section where Bane's plan comes to fruition was brilliant.
-The twist with Miranda was very well done as well.
Some impressions:
-Bane was really weak as a villain. Not nearly as threatening as the Joker was.
-Bruce Wayne should've died. As soon as it was found that the auto-pilot was fixed, you could see the ending coming a mile away.
-The section where Bane's plan comes to fruition was brilliant.
-The twist with Miranda was very well done as well.
Two of the three films in the series are Bruce Wayne films. And its a better trilogy for it.
soul creator
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rewatching Batman Begins right now.
When Wayne does his initial training, he's fighting on thin ice
When Batman returns in TDKR, he's on thin ice
#poetry
When Wayne does his initial training, he's fighting on thin ice
When Batman returns in TDKR, he's on thin ice
#poetry
JumpingTheGun
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Just got back a bit ago from the FT Lauderdale IMAX show. Still letting it soak in.
It was absolutley phenomenal to me. Everything was excellent. Simply the best final movie Ive seen in a trilogy in ages. Definitley seeing it again this week.
Question: Was Bane and Talia's relationship true to the comics or was it Nolanfied?
It was absolutley phenomenal to me. Everything was excellent. Simply the best final movie Ive seen in a trilogy in ages. Definitley seeing it again this week.
Question: Was Bane and Talia's relationship true to the comics or was it Nolanfied?
BotoxAgent
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A fucking Men!!!
All praise nolan.
I'm not comic book reader, but to my knowledge, its a film only thing. I think in the comics and in TAS, Talia and Bruce had a thing.
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