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FlutterPuffs
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Well if the script states that it's Bruce Wayne/Batman, yes.
The name is Bond.
demosthenes
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Haha, Christian Bale, what small beginnings.
Something about keeping the pain at bay.
Sorcerer
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For looks. the real reason they gave doesn't make any sense.
RBelong2Us
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Bruce Wayne, RACIST.
Bullshit. He has a black friend!
soul creator
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Batman won't kill
But he will flip the fuck out of your cars if you chase him, possibly leading to paralysis, or death
But he will flip the fuck out of your cars if you chase him, possibly leading to paralysis, or death
Saw it again. I think it's an okay film. All the pieces are there. Everything connects in a logical way compared to something like Prometheus. The problem is it's so dense that you have to unpack it all through a billion characters, plot lines, and the fucking sound mix. The second viewing really drives this point home. It also doesn't help when the expository scenes with Ra's al Ghul and Talia are kind of painful. The scene where Alfred tells Bruce the truth about Rachel and how maybe the truth should have its day got me both times. Such a great scene.
SCULLIBUNDO
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My favourite part is how fucking dark the score gets when he's telling Gordon to lie to his son. It's heartbreaking.
TheKaeptain
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I get its a painkiller or something but...why?
They never explain what happened to him where he needs it.
Bane is supposed to be an extremely intelligent person who has a steroid device he can use at will.
FlutterPuffs
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He would also leave you to die, seeing he doesn't have to save you.
Or have a girl blow you up with a missile.
Salvor.Hardin
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Gordon is such a fucking good character backed by an incredible performance.
"Harvey...Harvey...I'm sorry...for everything!"
I won't kill you, but the explosions I set off in your ninja temple and the fall you'll take due to me not saving you might!
How exactly did Hardy deliver his speech? Did he just speak normally and then they added in the "Bane" accent (I'm sure they added in something to his voice after anyways) or was that how he actually spoke during filming?
Because they changed his voice to make it clearer because nobody understood what he was saying the first time they showed the teaser trailer.
I still don't like how he died though, I would have preferred Batman tearing off his mask or something, seeing how weak Bane is without out it on and letting him die on a slow painful death.
How did Bane die in Batman and Robin?
Because they changed his voice to make it clearer because nobody understood what he was saying the first time they showed the teaser trailer.
I still don't like how he died though, I would have preferred Batman tearing off his mask or something, seeing how weak Bane is without out it on and letting him die on a slow painful death.
How did Bane die in Batman and Robin?
demosthenes
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Joe Shlabotnik
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It was basically a Venom'd up Bane, or as close as this movie was going to get to one.
RBelong2Us
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They pulled his plug and he turned into a little dude.
ViewtifulJC
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"Wait, you really want me to kill this guy? Fuck you, Ra's"
*blows up fortress, killing fat asian crook anyway, along with dozens of other ninjas"
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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People don't kill people. Physics does.
TheDarkKnight774
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It's the one thing I love most from the trilogy. Finally a movie series that showed the masses how badass and essential Gordon is to Gotham and the Batman mythology.
He definitely would have spoken his lines on set/location, simply for the other actors to have timing and something to play off. But 100% of his dialogue as heard in the film was looped and altered in post production.
SJRB
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He got severely injured saving Talia while she had a chance to climb out of the Pit. You even see him in a later scene with a face full of bloody bandages. I assume his face was horribly deformed [which also explains the massive scar on the back of his head/back].
The mask is a direct-delivery device with a constant supply of painkillers/medication. Without a constant supply he would go insane from the pain [as is shown at the ending where Batman rips the mask].
And the comic version of Bane was on Venom, which would be pretty hard to explain or execute in the Nolan-verse. I mean, if you're having doubts about a mask delivering painkillers, I doubt having tubes on your arms and back with green goo would make better sense.
FlutterPuffs
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Voice modulation, and in most cases alternate dialogue recording (ADR)
Not saying he forced Blake into the role, all I'm saying is that it doesn't feel very "Batman like" to allow him to jump into the role in the first place. Bruce knows what being Batman is like and what it cost him, I have a hard time believing he would allow anyone else to experience the same as long as he could prevent it. Especially with no additional assistance. Blake is a regular cop, he doesn't have access to fancy League of Shadows training. He doesn't have anyone to help him if he gets injured.
I feel this is somewhat comparable to the attitudes of military service members I've interacted with. Almost all of the ones I've met do not want to see me (or others) have to serve, they're doing it so we don't have to. There are exceptions to this, like military families, but Batman in these films never struck me as someone trying to spread the responsibility around. He wanted to shoulder all of it even to his detriment, it is why he went out of his way to stop untrained buffoons wearing Batman masks in TDK.
I don't really buy that running away from that to 'live your life' is growth in the slightest, it is cowardice. Bruce didn't prepare a succession plan for his symbol, he didn't leave anyway for others to properly fill his boots. He literally just ran off with a hot chick and left his keys with Blake. If anything TDKR should have showed that things have a way to fall apart even in peace time and to be properly prepared for it.
It feels more like a poorly thought out Hollywood happy ending, "Yay Bruce lived!". Which I can live with and ignore. I still thoroughly enjoyed the rest of the movie.
I haven't done a rewatch yet, but did Bane's Bob the Goon survive?
Looks like Sev from Killzone.
SunhiLegend
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I don't think you payed enough attention. They explained it in the film, he was beaten up by the inmates when he helped Talia escape, the mask is needed to ease the pain he suffers because of the beating.
SteveWinwood
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So DKR > BB > TDK right guys?
Messypandas
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I don't think anything touched Two-Face for true evil. Bane was a misguided idealist and Joker was a psycopath. Harvey wanted to punish Gordon by murdering his child. Thats another level of fucked up
I haven't done a rewatch yet, but did Bane's Bob the Goon survive?
I don't know, but I hope Hot Toys does a figure so I can send it to Scooter for X-mas!
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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He got shot while dead while escorting Talia into the tumbler, I think.I haven't done a rewatch yet, but did Bane's Bob the Goon survive?
Eckhart was amazing. He's such a great actor.
Before I saw this film, I heard ramblings of how daring it was and I always wondered exactly what that meant. I was trying to remain spoiler free so it was a difficult task. But after seeing it, I understood. It was a a comic-book film that chose to be devoid of any spectacle. The scale was vast but it all still remained very grounded to a certain degree. It was a comic-book movie that dared to be a drama. That dared to be simple. But unfortunately, it also dared to bore me for two hours straight.
As a fan of the first two films, I wanted to enjoy this but part of me knew I wouldn't. There was something in the trailers that always felt a little off for me because of a certain weightlessness. A weightlessness that became immediately apparent in the first encounter between Batman and Bane. This was a scene that held no weight, had no stakes, and zero build up. At this point, we had no idea who Bane was and why he actually mattered so it felt like a convenient story transition instead of the epic battle that it was presented as. The fight was claustrophobic and fought in a vacuum, much like it's presence in the narrative. As Selina Kyle locked the gate and sent Batman to his demise, I could almost hear her saying "ok now fight so Nolan can get on with his movie". And I was then subjected to a fumbling, bumbling, mindnumbingly boring fight that looked like it was between two sixty year old men, manipulatively set to no music as if to tell me I should be feeling something. But I didn't. All I felt was a tickle of laughter in the back of my throat as I tried to keep it from bursting out. Then the Bat was broken and my faith in the movie broke with it.
(I'm proud of that one )
I feel the entire movie suffered from this really. I never felt the stakes were high enough to actually give a crap. The difference between the Joker and Bane was most apparent in that respect. Not in performance. I don't think Hardy had a fair shake in this regard as there was too much in the way. The ridiculous looking mask, the rather comical voice, the fact that it always sounded like a voice over. It was very hard to get into his character and I blame Nolan for that one. But the difference is this: I understood the Jokers' motives and his methods fell right in line with these motives which created tension. He was a person that just wanted to create chaos. His plans held more weight because they actually had the possibility of succeeding. I never thought for a second they would blow up Gotham so I never really gave a shit.
This is where I mention that OTHER movie.
Because of this, I found it difficult to watch this movie without my Avengers glasses on. Avengers, while flawed, was an extremely fun film to watch. The villain was about as Captain Planet as you could get but it worked in that narrative because of how it presented itself. It didn't work in the Dark Knight Rises. The movie couldn't decide whether or not it wanted to be "fun". So as a result, we were treated with powerful scenes like Alfred quitting on Bruce while also having to sit through silly shit like a bunch of cops charging into a hail of gunfire while the baddies respond by shooting at the ground before realizing the bullets would work better in their bodies. It all felt so disjointed. The movie wanted to have fun but not TOO much fun. It was in a constant battle with itself and I was constantly confused about how to watch this film. It reminded me of the cool kid in high school being invited to play a game of tag. He's only going to have as much fun as his image allows which isn't much fun at all. And when you observe him you can see his inner struggle. I found myself thinking "I... guess that was supposed to be cool...?" many times in this film and more often than not it was during one of the action scenes which are always hard to watch in these films... save for the chase scene in begins which I thought was pretty amazing.
It certainly had it's moments. I personally enjoyed the Batpod quite a bit and the Bat wasn't nearly as terrible as I thought it would be (though I couldn't help but think it looked like a reaper). Alfred was beautifully written and acted. His payoff in the end was great and almost got me (but I'm too macho). Anne Hathaway did ok with Selina Kyle but there really wasn't much to her. I could easily imagine the movie without that character which is never a good thing. And Gary Oldman was well... Gary Oldman. But what REALLY shined in my eyes was Blake. He was the only person I actually gave a crap about and the only character with any actual payoff (even if Nolan was trolling a bit at the end there). He was well acted, well written and an all together fleshed out character. I'm curious to see what type of hero he becomes but I don't NEED to see it. It was a powerful moment to see him embrace the bats as Bruce did in begins. It was, as we say, poetry.
Then we came to the end
I'm not exaggerating when I say that was just about as perfect an ending I've ever seen to anything in my entire life. As I watched it unfold I could feel something transforming inside of me. Almost asking "wait was this a good movie? " and as a result I grew dazed and confused. My mind was swimming and I barely knew what to do with myself other than stare blankly at the screen wondering whether or not I should join the applause. I didn't. Despite the amazing final 20 or so minutes, I couldn't forgive the movie for being blatantly underwhelming otherwise. I just couldn't. It was a valiant effort and I can see how someone could enjoy this movie (kind of well no) but I just couldn't. Not without blocking out 90% of the movie and pretending that the other 10% more than made up for it. I feel this movie will experience backlash the likes of which we have never seen and you can quote me on that one.
All in all it was a nice ride through these three films. They have changed how we view comic-book films for the better despite the final misstep. We have learned from these films that it is very possible to take a man running around dressed as a bat seriously. We have learned that these films don't have to poke fun at themselves. But ultimately, I'm glad they are going away. Nolanbats, you've served your purpose
you have my permission to die.
(I'm not as proud of that one but it still needed to be said )
BB>TDK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TDKR
SteveWinwood
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Oh jeez if you didn't enjoy the film it's because you didn't want to.
ViewtifulJC
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I agree with the general direction, but that's a LOT of arrows
Foley killed him!
Alligatorjandro
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DKR>TDK>BB
The Technomancer
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Well said. Its nice to know that I'm not alone in having some serious problems with this movie.
SCULLIBUNDO
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