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Before I saw this film, I heard ramblings of how daring it was and I always wondered exactly what that meant. I was trying to remain spoiler free so it was a difficult task. But after seeing it, I understood. It was a a comic-book film that chose to be devoid of any spectacle. The scale was vast but it all still remained very grounded to a certain degree. It was a comic-book movie that dared to be a drama. That dared to be simple. But unfortunately, it also dared to bore me for two hours straight.

As a fan of the first two films, I wanted to enjoy this but part of me knew I wouldn't. There was something in the trailers that always felt a little off for me because of a certain weightlessness. A weightlessness that became immediately apparent in the first encounter between Batman and Bane. This was a scene that held no weight, had no stakes, and zero build up. At this point, we had no idea who Bane was and why he actually mattered so it felt like a convenient story transition instead of the epic battle that it was presented as. The fight was claustrophobic and fought in a vacuum, much like it's presence in the narrative. As Selina Kyle locked the gate and sent Batman to his demise, I could almost hear her saying "ok now fight so Nolan can get on with his movie". And I was then subjected to a fumbling, bumbling, mindnumbingly boring fight that looked like it was between two sixty year old men, manipulatively set to no music as if to tell me I should be feeling something. But I didn't. All I felt was a tickle of laughter in the back of my throat as I tried to keep it from bursting out. Then the Bat was broken and my faith in the movie broke with it.

(I'm proud of that one…)

I feel the entire movie suffered from this really. I never felt the stakes were high enough to actually give a crap. The difference between the Joker and Bane was most apparent in that respect. Not in performance. I don't think Hardy had a fair shake in this regard as there was too much in the way. The ridiculous looking mask, the rather comical voice, the fact that it always sounded like a voice over. It was very hard to get into his character and I blame Nolan for that one. But the difference is this: I understood the Jokers' motives and his methods fell right in line with these motives which created tension. He was a person that just wanted to create chaos. His plans held more weight because they actually had the possibility of succeeding. I never thought for a second they would blow up Gotham so I never really gave a shit.

This is where I mention that OTHER movie.

Because of this, I found it difficult to watch this movie without my Avengers glasses on. Avengers, while flawed, was an extremely fun film to watch. The villain was about as Captain Planet as you could get but it worked in that narrative because of how it presented itself. It didn't work in the Dark Knight Rises. The movie couldn't decide whether or not it wanted to be "fun". So as a result, we were treated with powerful scenes like Alfred quitting on Bruce while also having to sit through silly shit like a bunch of cops charging into a hail of gunfire while the baddies respond by shooting at the ground before realizing the bullets would work better in their bodies. It all felt so disjointed. The movie wanted to have fun but not TOO much fun. It was in a constant battle with itself and I was constantly confused about how to watch this film. It reminded me of the cool kid in high school being invited to play a game of tag. He's only going to have as much fun as his image allows which isn't much fun at all. And when you observe him you can see his inner struggle. I found myself thinking "I... guess that was supposed to be cool...?" many times in this film and more often than not it was during one of the action scenes which are always hard to watch in these films... save for the chase scene in begins which I thought was pretty amazing.

It certainly had it's moments. I personally enjoyed the Batpod quite a bit and the Bat wasn't nearly as terrible as I thought it would be (though I couldn't help but think it looked like a reaper). Alfred was beautifully written and acted. His payoff in the end was great and almost got me (but I'm too macho). Anne Hathaway did ok with Selina Kyle but there really wasn't much to her. I could easily imagine the movie without that character which is never a good thing. And Gary Oldman was well... Gary Oldman. But what REALLY shined in my eyes was Blake. He was the only person I actually gave a crap about and the only character with any actual payoff (even if Nolan was trolling a bit at the end there). He was well acted, well written and an all together fleshed out character. I'm curious to see what type of hero he becomes but I don't NEED to see it. It was a powerful moment to see him embrace the bats as Bruce did in begins. It was, as we say, poetry.

Then we came to the end…

I'm not exaggerating when I say that was just about as perfect an ending I've ever seen to anything in my entire life. As I watched it unfold I could feel something transforming inside of me. Almost asking "wait… was this a good movie?…" and as a result I grew dazed and confused. My mind was swimming and I barely knew what to do with myself other than stare blankly at the screen wondering whether or not I should join the applause. I didn't. Despite the amazing final 20 or so minutes, I couldn't forgive the movie for being blatantly underwhelming otherwise. I just couldn't. It was a valiant effort and I can see how someone could enjoy this movie (kind of… well no) but I just couldn't. Not without blocking out 90% of the movie and pretending that the other 10% more than made up for it. I feel this movie will experience backlash the likes of which we have never seen and you can quote me on that one.

All in all it was a nice ride through these three films. They have changed how we view comic-book films for the better despite the final misstep. We have learned from these films that it is very possible to take a man running around dressed as a bat seriously. We have learned that these films don't have to poke fun at themselves. But ultimately, I'm glad they are going away. Nolanbats, you've served your purpose…

you have my permission to die.

(I'm not as proud of that one but it still needed to be said…)

BB>TDK >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TDKR

True.
 
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Nobody will ever best Korey's "reviews"

- HUGE self indulgent jpeg complete with banners and logos
- 15 or so cons tearing the movie a new asshole
- 1 or 2 "pros" that are backhanded compliments at best
- capped off with an inexplicable 7/10 rating

Every. Single. Time.

And I laugh. Every. Single. Time.
 
Best parts of TDKR:

bangladesh's hilarious meltdown

Solo's surprising nWo turn

Nolan does the most straight forward ending he could and still gets Inception twist conclusions from people.
 
Oh jeez if you didn't enjoy the film it's because you didn't want to.

Yeah, that was my problem. I mean, I absolutely loved all of Nolan's other movies and was looking forward to this more than any other movie this year. But, I just wanted to hate it. Couldn't resist the urge to be so disappointed.


Nolan does the most straight forward ending he could and still gets Inception twist conclusions from people.

This hurts my brain.
 
BWHWAHAHAHAHA!!! I fucking knew it.

I especially agree with everything you talk about in your second paragraph, and I chalk much of that up to the pacing and the editing. Enormous swathes of the movie felt like disjointed sloopy cuts of scenes and events that hadn't been built up properly or transitioned into.
 
I especially agree with everything you talk about in your second paragraph, and I chalk much of that up to the pacing and the editing. Enormous swathes of the movie felt like disjointed sloopy cuts of scenes and events that hadn't been built up properly or transitioned into.

Ebert mentioned that in his review. I couldn't really tell who was doing what with whom. It was just stuff happening. Then we get that fight and I found it hard to grasp why I should care about it outside of knowing what was about to happen.
 
So DKR > BB > TDK right guys?

TDK>>>>>>>>>>>>>BB>TDKR for me.

BB and TDKR were good but still feel like superhero movies (and rightly so). TDK crosses the genre into just best of filmography. Perfect in every way, unpredictable throughout, 5 star performances and complex and deep characters everywhere. I can't find a single fault with it.
 
Nolan should make a prequel about Thomas Wayne building trains n shit. It ends with Martha giving birth to Bruce to Molossus while he embraces his placenta shower.
 
I really liked this one point made by the Red Letter Media guys, which is how the movie consists of very few 'EPIC' shots. A lot of the shots and introductions are very tastefully understated. For example, Batman's first appearance in the film isn't a moment, it's a chase. Or how Catwoman doesn't have a 'now she's wearing the Catwoman costume guys!!1' scene.

The comic bits are in the service of the plot and don't dictate the flow of the movie. I find that to be quite admirable, especially after the nerdgasm that was The Avengers.
 
so in retrospect, everyones favourite moment from the series?

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"You thought we could be decent men in an indecent time"

The mood, the unbelievable score, the lighting, the hopeless sense of dread. Everything so perfectly surmised the loftier ideas in the comic in this one scene. And Eckart was the unsung hero of TDK[/QUOTE]

This is a wonderful choice, and my second favourite in the film. My top 5 moments:

5. Last five minutes of TDKR
4. Your choice. The music is fucking haunting. "Lie, like I lied. "
3. Bane breaking the Bat. Stunning fight.
2. The dock scene in BB. "Where are you?!" "Here."
1. The interrogation scene. Ledger's absolutely electrifying here. "You have nothing to threaten me with! Nothing to do, with all your strength!"

Honourable mentions include Bruce finding the Bat cave and the bats swarming around him, Bruce training montage in BB (especially ice fight), Neeson's face when he accepts death, Scarecrow's first scene, the introduction of the Tumbler set to Molossus, Bruce's speech at the party, Batman swooping off the building in Hong Kong, the bank heist, the magic trick, Rachel's death, Gordon saying "I have to save Dent!", his closing monologue, Joker hanging out the car window, Bane taking over the plane, Selina and Bruce's dance, the football stadium, Bane and Bats' second fight, Bruce escaping from the pit... Thanks Nolan.
 
TDK>>>>>>>>>>>>>BB>TDKR for me.

BB and TDKR were good but still feel like superhero movies (and rightly so). TDK crosses the genre into just best of filmography. Perfect in every way, unpredictable throughout, 5 star performances and complex and deep characters everywhere. I can't find a single fault with it.

Man, I don't understand how people are calling this a superhero movie. A huge part of my problem with it is that it doesn't feel like a superhero movie. We get almost no screen time of Batman going around Batmanning
 
Nobody will ever best Korey's "reviews"

- HUGE self indulgent jpeg complete with banners and logos
- 15 or so cons tearing the movie a new asshole
- 1 or 2 "pros" that are backhanded compliments at best
- capped off with an inexplicable 7/10 rating

Every. Single. Time.

And I laugh. Every. Single. Time.

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Hah! That is pretty funny.
 
I really liked this one point made by the Red Letter Media guys, which is how the movie consists of very few 'EPIC' shots. A lot of the shots and introductions are very tastefully understated. For example, Batman's first appearance in the film isn't a moment, it's a chase. or how Catwoman doesn't have a 'now she's wearing the Catwoman costume guys!!1' scene.

The comic bits are in the service of the plot and don't dictate the flow of the movie. I find that to be quite admirable, especially after the nergasm that was The Avengers.

Definitely. Yet despite this, there still were a number of pretty epic hero shots. The first time Batman comes thundering in on the Batpod to Molossus after an 8 year hiatus, and when Bruce takes out the guards, throws the flare to Gordon, tells him to "light it up", and steps out of the shadows bathed in red light.

Both of those two gave major boners.
 
Ebert mentioned that in his review. I couldn't really tell who was doing what with whom. It was just stuff happening. Then we get that fight and I found it hard to grasp why I should care about it outside of knowing what was about to happen.

Yeah, when I walked out of the theater the first adjective I used to describe it was "messy"
 
There were no BAT shots in this movie ala final Begins shot or TDK Hong Kong sequence. No shots of Batman looking like a monster bat.

JGL ruining my favourite Begins memory doesn't count.
 
The ending is, in NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, a copout. It's the end of one of the biggest plot and emotional throughlines in the whole trilogy. When will Gotham no longer need Batman? Will Bruce ever be able to let go of Batman and the past? Will Bruce ever get a chance at redemption and a real life?

From BB:

Rachel Dawes: But then I found out about your mask.
Bruce Wayne: Batman's just a symbol, Rachel.
Rachel Dawes: [Rachel touches Bruce's face] No, *this* is your mask. Your real face is the one that criminals now fear. The man I loved - the man who vanished - he never came back at all. But maybe he's still out there, somewhere. Maybe some day, when Gotham no longer needs Batman, I'll see him again.

From TDK:

Rachel Dawes: Dear Bruce. I need to be honest and clear. I'm going to marry Harvey Dent. I love him, and I want to spend the rest of my life with him. When I told you that if Gotham no longer needed Batman we could be together, I meant it. But now I'm sure the day won't come when *you* no longer need Batman. I hope it does; and if it does I will be there, but as your friend. I'm sorry to let you down. If you lose your faith in me, please keep your faith in people. Love, now and always, Rachel.

TDKR provided an incredible ending to all of this. That final Bruce/Alfred shot was the climax of the emotional core of the whole series. The catharsis.


Solo have I ever told you I love you.
 
So what's with the people who think Talia being in it somehow undermines Banes brilliance during the start of the film?

It never came across to me like Bane was the mook and Talia was the mastermind all along, more like Bane was the "theatricality" and Talia was the "Deception" and together they make powerful allies.
 
So what's with the people who think Talia being in it somehow undermines Banes brilliance during the start of the film?

It never came across to me like Bane was the mook and Talia was the mastermind all along, more like Bane was the "theatricality" and Talia was the "Deception" and together they make powerful allies.

Well put.

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It never came across to me like Bane was the mook and Talia was the mastermind all along, more like Bane was the "theatricality" and Talia was the "Deception" and together they make powerful allies.

....to the uninitiated. But we are both initiated!
 
BB > TDK >> TDKR

TDKR was still good, but it was not as well constructed a film for me. More plot holes, and poor pacing. Acting was great, and it was also visually great. I don't want to say TDKR was the "worst" of the three, just the "least good".
 
BB > TDK >> TDKR

TDKR was still good, but it was not as well constructed a film for me. More plot holes, and poor pacing. Acting was great, and it was also visually great. I don't want to say TDKR was the "worst" of the three, just the "least good".

I agree with that ranking. TDK was probably a better movie overall but BB is still the best actual Batman film.
 
Just came out of the cinema. Right now I'm happy and also sad. Happy because I enjoyed the movie so much; sad because this story has ended.

I think that I can't decide which one is the best, maybe because they are all different, but at the same time they're one thing: an amazing story with great characters. Probably the fact that I always liked Batman has something to do, but this is the trilogy I enjoyed most ever. Yes, I said that.
 
Favourite line of the movie for me.

My favorite line might well be either a hokey one or comedic one rather than a serious or emotional one, in all honesty, haha.

Hokey:

"Son you're in for a treat!" I don't know why, but that line gave me the biggest smile. Even the cops, who were sworn to take Batman down, were fucking amped to see him again.

Comedic:

"Now I know how that feels" Hilariously meta quote given how many times Batman has done the I'll-disappear-when-you-turn-your-back move to others.
 
My favorite line might well be either a hokey one or comedic one rather than a serious or emotional one, in all honesty, haha.

Hokey:

"Son you're in for a treat!" I don't know why, but that line gave me the biggest smile. Even the cops, who were sworn to take Batman down, were fucking amped to see him again.

Comedic:

"Now I know how that feels" Hilariously meta quote given how many times Batman has done the I'll-disappear-when-you-turn-your-back move to others.

In terms of comedy, it would be the perfection that is Cillian Murphy saying, "Death...by exile."
 
Just came out of the cinema. Right now I'm happy and also sad. Happy because I enjoyed the movie so much; sad because this story has ended.

I think that I can't decide which one is the best, maybe because they are all different, but at the same time they're one thing: an amazing story with great characters. Probably the fact that I always liked Batman has something to do, but this is the trilogy I enjoyed most ever. Yes, I said that.

Nolan's Batman trilogy is my Star Wars, that's how I put it.
 
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