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Messypandas said:
I think you're taking the random citizen angle far too literally. It simply means the key to the bomb resided with someone that the police would never figure (plain-clothes ed, non-descript) and not one of Banes mecenaries so it would be impossible to track down
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This, it was just a bluff to try and throw off the people who'd want to get a detonator.
 
SteveWinwood said:
The only thing that bothered me was them finding the parked bat on the roof. Oh yeah the whole city was taken over by psychopaths for like 4 months and no one found this crazy helicopter and bashed the shit out of it because it was covered in this camo tarp.
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That didn't bother me at all. There are a lot of roofs in New York... ahh... Gotham City and I can believe they didn't get to checking them all.
 
Something I've been thinking about: what was the point of Catwoman being in the film? None of her story was really explained. Also, the pseudo-romance with Bruce Wayne came off as odd. I may be missing something though.
 
Blader5489 said:
How are people still asking questions about the bomb? Bane outright explained their plan in as direct a manner as possible.
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The same way people believe bruce or lucius died and ask why harvey dent wasn't in the movie.

I seriously don't get how much information people can miss when watching movies, do they just not pay attention or are there just a lot of really fucking loud people at the cinemas they go to? Mine was fine.
 
The_Technomancer said:
I really have no idea why they had the whole "random citizen with detonator" thing in there.
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A random citizen didn't have the detonator though. Talia did. This is a nice contrast between Joker and Bane. Joker would have said the same thing, but it actually would have been true. He would just have given it away and waited for the chaos to ensure. Bane does it purely for theatrical and deceptive purposes. Talia and Bane wanted to play with their prey a bit before eating it.
 
Guys, remember when Bruce and Fox were in Hong Kong and we didn't see them sleeping on the flight there? How did that happen
 
Korey said:
What happened with Bruce's stab wound near the end? Did he have it patched up or was it not as bad as it looked?
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That's just a movie wound, same way he could get stabbed by the joker's shoe knife and still be able to jump out of a window, fall hundreds of feet, land on a taxi and feel fine.
 
I'm a few pages late, but I think my favorite line delivery in that Dent scene in TDK was "it's not about what I want, it's about what's FAIR!"

Really sold me on how far over the edge he was at that point.
 
monsterfracas said:
Something I've been thinking about: what was the point of Catwoman being in the film? None of her story was really explained. Also, the pseudo-romance with Bruce Wayne came off as odd. I may be missing something though.
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Plotwise? She's the only cat burglar skilled enough to get Bruce Wayne's fingerprints. (A stretch, but any reason to get Catwoman into the movie is mostly going to be an excuse.) Thematically? She and Bruce both need a "clean slate".
 
Wilbury said:
Guys, remember when Bruce and Fox were in Hong Kong and we didn't see them sleeping on the flight there? How did that happen
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but how did The Joker leave the party we never saw it, *NOLAN*
 
The knife wound reminds me.. it was one of the trade-offs he got when getting the new costume is it made him more susceptible to knife attacks.

Bet he wishes he had the Begins suit now.
 
I thought the whole detonator plot was also meant to keep the US military at bay. If they just thought it was with Bane or one of the League, then just get that executive order to send in the SEAL team.
 
a better complaint about this movie would be that shot of the Bat flying off into the night earlier on. It looked faaaaaaaaake.
 
BattleMonkey said:
That doesn't explain why they had to wait for the bomb to go off and why it had to be a specific time limit. You build up hope to people who you are just going to kill anyways? That is beyond stupid. The only explanation that has any semi merit is to draw out Batmans suffering of watching his city. But their whole plan was to detonate no matter what, they just became real stupid comic book villains who don't just press the button. They clearly never expected batman to come back, "IMPOSSIBLE!". When Batman came back they should have just pushed the button like they had threatened to do in the first place.
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Your idea of what "makes sense" completely obliterates the foundations of several character's motivations. Bane lets Gotham linger on for five months because A) that's how long it takes the core to lose stability and B) to him, it mirrors his experience in the Lazarus Pit where he could look up and see hope every day but know that he was trapped in despair. This is all very clearly expained and it ties together perfectly. They are breaking your logic (and mine) because they are, indeed, insane. But they are not breaking their own logic which is warped and driven by a need to make others feel what they suffered. To just obliterate Gotham instantly takes out a key element (hope) that Bane feels is necessary for true despair.


Also, when he says that an ordinary citizen has the detonator, I never took it to mean that they forced some guy at the stadium to take it willingly. I assumed they meant that a citizen who was empathetic to Bane's ideals was working with them (which is exactly the case) and Bane let them all know it to twist their perspective around and convince them that he's fighting for them, not against them.
 
I almost wish the second Bane/Bats fight lasted longer. I really wanted to see Bruce fucking Bane up even more as he was going crazier from the pain.

Also, the bat suit looked pretty damn good in the daylight.

Wonder if portable EMP tech is possible.
 
Korey said:
What happened with Bruce's stab wound near the end? Did he have it patched up or was it not as bad as it looked?
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It was not as bad as it looked, presumably, because Talia didn't want him to die from it. She wanted him to live to feel the heat from the bomb before it incinerated him. So you could say it hurt like a bitch but it wasn't supposed to kill him. More of a metaphorical "twisting of the knife".
 
OrangeGrayBlue said:
Your idea of what "makes sense" completely obliterates the foundations of several characters moivations. Bane lets Gotham linger on for five months because A) that's how long it takes the core to lose stability and B) to him, it mirrors his experience in the Lazarus Pit where he could look up and see hope every day but know that he was trapped in despair. This is all very clearly expained and it ties together perfectly. They are breaking your logic (and mine) because they are, indeed, insane. But they are not breaking their own logic which is warped and driven by a need to make others feel what they suffered. To just obliterate Gotham instantly takes out a key element (hope) that Bane feels is necessary for true despair.


Also, when he says that an ordinary citizen has the detonator, I never took it to mean that they forced some guy at the stadium to take it willingly. I assumed they meant that a citizen who was empathetic to Bane's ideals was working with them (which is exactly the case) and Bane let them all know it to twist their perspective around and convince them that he's fighting for them, not against them.
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Same goes for the "exile or death" option on (thin) ice. His favorite kind of torture is desperate, pathetic, futile hope.

Edit: Ugh, meant to append this to the last post, sorry.
 
Korey said:
So he was just pretending to get stabbed? I don't get it.
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Hah! You feel into my Batman movie geek trap!

He wasn't wearing the nomex survival suit. That was the BB suit. His new suit for TDK made him more susceptible to knives.

i_am_not_jon_ames said:
I forget who suggested it, (was it you, Solo?) but man, going back to the Begins suit for the final battle would have been too much awesome for me to handle.
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It was Sculli, I was just getting on board with it. What I would have done with Wayne Enterprises taken by Bane is, rather than going back to the TDK underground base and getting his TDK suit like Nolan did, I would have had him go back to Wayne Manor and put on the BEAST.
 
How did Bruce get back to Gotham? It's not like he was trained to do shit like that, or have god knows how many secret passages throughout the city and his house. Remember his house was connected to the underground railroad. Nolan missed a flashback!

Plus it obvious he went to the batcave so he can get that cool program to persuade Selina. Did this REALLY need to be said in the film? Not really..but there's your answer, crises averted.
 
I loved the movie, but I am a bit bewildered at the rating it has. In the UK it is a 12A, which I thought was a stretch for The Dark Knight, but I actually thought this movie was a lot more graphic with people getting stabbed, shot, neck snapped. Does anybody else think it is quite a low rating.
 
Solo said:
It was Sculli, I was just getting on board with it. What I would have done with Wayne Enterprises taken by Bane is, rather than going back to the TDK underground base and getting his TDK suit like Nolan did, I would have had him go back to Wayne Manor and put on the BEAST.
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Well, Sculli also says JGL is Shia. I guess you gotta take the good with the bad!
 
DMczaf said:
"A hero can be anyone. Even a man doing something as simple and reassuring as putting their coat around a young boy's soulders to let him know the world hadn't ended."
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By this point in the film, every single major character except Gordon knew Batman was Bruce Wayne. The reveal to Gordon was so empty as a result.

Oh and I love that Wayne's super secret identity was foiled by JGL because he saw how sad Wayne was once.
 
Solo said:
It was Sculli, I was just getting on board with it. What I would have done with Wayne Enterprises taken by Bane is, rather than going back to the TDK underground base and getting his TDK suit like Nolan did, I would have had him go back to Wayne Manor and put on the BEAST.
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Batman Begins suit was indeed a beast, but it wasn't very versatile, he could barely move his head in that thing. He certainly wouldn't have been able to bob and weave against bane had he wore that suit.
 
Rimfya said:
By this point in the film, every single major character except Gordon knew Batman was Bruce Wayne. The reveal to Gordon was so empty as a result.
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Empty is like the complete opposite description of what that scene was.

Solo said:
No, but RAAAAAAAGE > mobility.
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Well Batman can RAAAAAAGE all he wants while he's a crumpled heap after Bane has caved in his cowl for the second time in the movie.
 
DMczaf said:
When it kicks in after "Oops."


Yes, best Catwoman introduction.
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It was really good. That line is a complete reversal of her character from that point. Initially she just looks and acts like a struggling waitress. After "Oops", she's Catwoman and everyone knew it.

I wish they showed us what her goggles actually did. I know in a few interviews someone said they are x-ray goggles for cracking a safe.
 
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