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smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Pretty sure this was the point but for the longest time I was thinking it was gonna be the well he fell down into after Bane fucked him up. Guess I was wrong. Then again I wish Bane made a prison under the football stadium instead of moving Bruce to some bullshit country.
Why didn't the army just shoot down the random plane flying out of Gotham with Bruce and Bane on it?
It's like poetry...they rhyme.
Did anyone else get the vibe that the pit/prison is reminiscent of the well that Bruce falls into as a child? The imagery is eerily similar.
There's an actual shot in the film that literally references this visual simile. It's hardly just "similar" it's explicitly called out in the editing.
Alligatorjandro
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How should a suit like that look?
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
The suit looked really awesome during the Bane and Batman fight. The fight when Batman gets fucked up in the sewer. The rain coming down mixed with the light it looked awesome.
BruceLeeRoy
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So just got back from 3rd viewing and now I'm ready to declare it a masterpiece in many ways. I think I might be going insane.
heh, for a little bit, I was certain this was Mark Hamill. The latter part, you can tell it's not him. But it's a damn good impersonation, especially with ad-libbing. Sign him up, WB, and fire Brent Spiner (love Data, but Young Justice Joker...bleh)
I said goddamn...
Absolutely amazing. A worthy end to the Nolan trilogy, and probably the second best in it, only due to the masterpiece performance of Ledger.
I thought Bane was a great villain, and I really loved how the movie developed. It felt less about the villain this time, and more about Batman and Bruce. Thought it was great all the way through, and I can't wait to see it again.
Sadly, I was spoiled on Batman's successor-in-the-making, and Bane killing Alfred, which didn't turn out to be true, thankfully, so I was a bit spoiled, but not too badly. Now I can't but wonder where the series goes from here? The last time the Batman movie franchise changed hands, it was a complete disaster. Thankfully though, this time they likely know better, and it will be easier to adapt from Nolan than it was from Burton. I really am excited to see if Robin just straight-up becomes Batman, or if we'll get to see Bale dawn the cowl one last time. Interesting.
I thought Bane was a great villain, and I really loved how the movie developed. It felt less about the villain this time, and more about Batman and Bruce. Thought it was great all the way through, and I can't wait to see it again.
Sadly, I was spoiled on Batman's successor-in-the-making, and Bane killing Alfred, which didn't turn out to be true, thankfully, so I was a bit spoiled, but not too badly. Now I can't but wonder where the series goes from here? The last time the Batman movie franchise changed hands, it was a complete disaster. Thankfully though, this time they likely know better, and it will be easier to adapt from Nolan than it was from Burton. I really am excited to see if Robin just straight-up becomes Batman, or if we'll get to see Bale dawn the cowl one last time. Interesting.
Just came back from the movie.
It was alright. My thoughts/complaints:
- Aspect ratio changes. It was a bit annoying in TDK, but holy shit it was terrible here. From wonderfully clear full screen IMAX to the wider aspect ratio with obviously worse picture quality. Every two seconds.
- The film refuses to acknowledge Batman eye make-up...minor annoyance, but annoyance nonetheless.
- The villains. Both Bane and Talia. Bane's motives didn't really make much sense, all we were given was a minuscule glimpse of his character through a poorly written backstory. Talia's motives made no sense whatsoever. The twist was awful and manipulative.
- The cops blowing up the bridge. You're being told that the bomb is going to blow up soon anyways, and yet you still refuse to let civilians pass, all on Bane's word?
- How does Robin figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman? "Oh, I saw that look on your face and it was that look that told me you're wearing a mask and your true identity is in fact Batman" Quite a stretch there, Robin.
I'm sure I'll have more complaints once I can recall more of the movie.
All in all, I still enjoyed it, but it was poorly written, and the worst of the trilogy.
It was alright. My thoughts/complaints:
- Aspect ratio changes. It was a bit annoying in TDK, but holy shit it was terrible here. From wonderfully clear full screen IMAX to the wider aspect ratio with obviously worse picture quality. Every two seconds.
- The film refuses to acknowledge Batman eye make-up...minor annoyance, but annoyance nonetheless.
- The villains. Both Bane and Talia. Bane's motives didn't really make much sense, all we were given was a minuscule glimpse of his character through a poorly written backstory. Talia's motives made no sense whatsoever. The twist was awful and manipulative.
- The cops blowing up the bridge. You're being told that the bomb is going to blow up soon anyways, and yet you still refuse to let civilians pass, all on Bane's word?
- How does Robin figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman? "Oh, I saw that look on your face and it was that look that told me you're wearing a mask and your true identity is in fact Batman" Quite a stretch there, Robin.
I'm sure I'll have more complaints once I can recall more of the movie.
All in all, I still enjoyed it, but it was poorly written, and the worst of the trilogy.
Looking back.. The Batman Begins suit would look horrible in the daylight.
demosthenes
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SCULLIBUNDO
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Nolan failing to get Bruce back ino his Begins suit for the finale after Bane and co stole/wrecked all his shit was a major missed opportunity. Miranda also wouldn't have been able to stab him.
Dammit Bruce, why you gotta deny the beast suit? It has never led you astray.
Dammit Bruce, why you gotta deny the beast suit? It has never led you astray.
NoirVisage
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I knew Ras Al guhl never had a son, but chalked it up to film taking liberties, didn't trust the rich lady from the jump, and was thoroughly surprised at the reveal..good stuff.
in this thread too??!! wow..you feel the need to disrespect a nation after a tragedy for such a trivial reason in 2 threads.. there aren't enough heads in existence to shake over this.
in this thread too??!! wow..you feel the need to disrespect a nation after a tragedy for such a trivial reason in 2 threads.. there aren't enough heads in existence to shake over this.
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
Well, the pearl necklace, if memory serves me right, essentially broke when Chill pulled it from Martha Wayne (the pearls fall on the ground).
Damnit was coming to post this, so awesome.
Doc Holliday
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Just saw the movie, I think it's better than begins but not as good as TDK. Watching this movie as a new Yorker is really weird. I think Nolan should have really stylized the city the way he did in begins. Because this plot could only happen in a completely fictional city. I kept thinking "there a million ways to get in and out of city, millions of people, and way more cops than bane could ever handle". I guess that's just nit picking.
I loved Bane! Catwoman was actually really good, and the ending was awesome. Though I wish it would have ended with batman doing his thing. instead of running off with catwoman.
How the fuck did batman get back home?? I guess we'll never know like who the fuck flew the plane that got him out of hong kong.
I loved Bane! Catwoman was actually really good, and the ending was awesome. Though I wish it would have ended with batman doing his thing. instead of running off with catwoman.
How the fuck did batman get back home?? I guess we'll never know like who the fuck flew the plane that got him out of hong kong.
1) Talia's motivation was to finish what her father started and destroy Gotham, and Bane loved her and was her guardian so he did what he could to help her
2) Cops had no reason to think Blake actually knew the bomb was going to blow anyways, for all they knew he was just some guy in a panic trying to get off
3) Well, combine that knowledge with the need for Batman to be super rich or funded by someone super rich and figuring out it's Bruce Wayne isn't too much of a stretch
If we're going to go with this, why do people and businesses keep residing in Gotham? The economic opportunities must be enormous to consider living in the most dangerous city in the country where all the cool villains come to fuck shit up
Sho_Nuff82
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Loved the film. It's not perfect, but Nolan succeeded in escalating the threat level in each successive movie, and the emotional resonance was bigger as well. Bruce and Alfred earned that ending after all they went through.
Gordon's minimized role was perfect. Pinning the crimes on Batman and starting "Harvey Dent Day" seems like a good idea on paper, but how could he look his family in the face, with them knowing what they know? His breakdown when JGL learns the truth is one of the best scenes.
I don't understand the complaints about Bruce/Miranda having sex. Their love isn't forced - she's laying it on extra thick so that a) he trusts her implicitly and b) when the city is destroyed, she can rub it in that he showed his "O face" to the woman who killed everyone he cared about. Emotional manipulation is part of she and Bane's punishment for him killing Ra's. Pre-reveal, why do we need an explanation of her attraction to him? He's Bruce Wayne, known for fucking models, and he happens to be a guy idealist interested in alternative energy and orphans. Bruce otoh is a lonely guy on a severe dry spell who seemingly lucks into a woman whom all of his mentors approve of, who is wealthy, generous, smart, beautiful, and caring, and just so happens to be saving his company from ruin. What aging millionaire wouldn't fuck Miranda Tate if she showed up at their crib soaking wet? He never says he loves her, but he obviously cares about her.
Gordon's minimized role was perfect. Pinning the crimes on Batman and starting "Harvey Dent Day" seems like a good idea on paper, but how could he look his family in the face, with them knowing what they know? His breakdown when JGL learns the truth is one of the best scenes.
I don't understand the complaints about Bruce/Miranda having sex. Their love isn't forced - she's laying it on extra thick so that a) he trusts her implicitly and b) when the city is destroyed, she can rub it in that he showed his "O face" to the woman who killed everyone he cared about. Emotional manipulation is part of she and Bane's punishment for him killing Ra's. Pre-reveal, why do we need an explanation of her attraction to him? He's Bruce Wayne, known for fucking models, and he happens to be a guy idealist interested in alternative energy and orphans. Bruce otoh is a lonely guy on a severe dry spell who seemingly lucks into a woman whom all of his mentors approve of, who is wealthy, generous, smart, beautiful, and caring, and just so happens to be saving his company from ruin. What aging millionaire wouldn't fuck Miranda Tate if she showed up at their crib soaking wet? He never says he loves her, but he obviously cares about her.
Alot of the "stylized" portion of Gotham in BB, were the Narrows. The Narrows were built inside one of those 2 giant blimp hangers that Nolan loves to use. Think that's where they built the Pit and Bane's Sewer hideout for TDKR. Every other bit of Gotham shown has been real city places (Chicago, then NYC/Pittsburg/LA).
Also, yeah, the amount of cops for Gotham, a city of 12 some odd millions (according to Talia in TDKR), 3000-4000 cops isn't enough. Doesn't NYC have something like 30,000 cops?
Well they did say the crime rates had tanked so it's possible they laid off many cops.
Wiggum2007
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I wish Bruce/Batman and Bane had more scenes together, felt like they needed another confrontation somewhere in there.
So I saw this movie in a normal theater, and loved it.
I want to take one of my friends to see it since this person hasn't seen it yet ( and I wanted to watch it a second time to pick up on things I didn't notice before). Imax screening or a normal theater screening?
The only reason I ask is because people here act like the Imax aspect ratio changing back and forth is super distracting from the movie itself.
I want to take one of my friends to see it since this person hasn't seen it yet ( and I wanted to watch it a second time to pick up on things I didn't notice before). Imax screening or a normal theater screening?
The only reason I ask is because people here act like the Imax aspect ratio changing back and forth is super distracting from the movie itself.
BeautifulMemory
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Not reading through this monster of a thread, but I loved Alfred seeing Bruce and Selina at the end. Leaves it open to interpretation if Alfred's just imagining what he wants to see, or if it's reality. Nolan does a great job with the open endings that don't feel like lame attention-grabbers.
I'll post my full thoughts on the film in a few hours. Just need time to recuperate. As I said in the other thread though, a very surprising and interesting film. Not what I expected. Also loved that I never got spoiled.
I'll post my full thoughts on the film in a few hours. Just need time to recuperate. As I said in the other thread though, a very surprising and interesting film. Not what I expected. Also loved that I never got spoiled.
Oh, I understand her motives. Her character just made no sense.
- She never forgave her father, and yet she cared enough to want to blow up 12 million people to avenge this man that she hated?
- Why did she want to blow up Gotham, exactly? Her father wanted to unleash chaos upon the city to make a point: that it was corrupt and could not be saved. She just wanted to blow it up.
- Which brings me to: why wouldn't she just blow it up right away? What was the point of having the bomb on a 50+ day timer? She never expected Batman to escape the pit and come back, and she wasn't trying to make a political point.
- Why did she keep her identity hidden? There was literally no reason, other than to manipulate the audience.
- How did she/Bane have control over all of the criminals? Did they not care that they were going to get blown up by a friggin' nuke as well? Why would they not rebel?
Other random complaint:
- How did 3000 cops with pistols overpower 1000+ criminals with assault rifles and tanks?
This isn't Inception... Alfred isn't crazy. What he saw was real, I see no reason to believe otherwise.
See, I'm pretty sure it was set up to be a concrete "this is how it ends" type of deal with all the clues. The auto-pilot, the clues for Robin, and if Alfred had maybe seen the back of Bruce's head or if it had cut-out as he smiled, then maybe, but I feel like with that shot it's a 100% slam-dunk ending, which I like.
His totem the tangerine says otherwise.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Alfred has been passing around the weaponized hallucinogens. Dude is really sitting in his shitty apartment on a rotting sofa while his pea soup goes cold.
Actually they strongly imply that it's real. Evidence:
Fox finds out Bruce fixed the autopilot so he could have ejected and survived.
Syphon Filter
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What the fuck!? WWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYY!?
How does he know?
There were articles before this movie came out saying that Nolan was going to do a twisty Memento/Inception type ending that would stir up debates.
I think there are enough points for both sides of the argument.
You're talking about a bomb that can wipe out the radius of an entire city. People question how fast Bruce could've gotten away after jumping out of the plane. And then there's the whole "Bruce is a famous public figure" debate.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Plus the pearls going missing again. Both Bruce and Selina wanted out they got what they wanted. Pretty sure both of them can live a great life with no cash.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Alfred fixed it and he also fixed the bat signal because of his sweeping psychosis. Piss in a bucket, long nails, etc.
Guess that's my bad assuming shit. I usually don't expect Gaf to just straight-up lie, but it can happen.
The Bat flies fast, what we saw of it flying into the ocean was time lapsed, he could've ejected early on and autopilot could've easily taken it more than 6 miles out, and they stated the blast radius would be 6 miles. Also, neutron bombs don't send radiation out very far beyond the blast radius.
Missing "again"? He never got them back did he? I thought she just took them back when she took his valet ticket.
Pretty sure the necklace would've gotten them a decent start at a new life if they sold it at anywhere near it's value.
More complaints:
- Bruce Wayne went from being a self sacrificing idealist at the end of TDK, to a depressed recluse who lost half of his company's fortune developing a fusion reactor. And big surprise when he finds out, oh my god, a fusion reactor can be used as a weapon! No one could have seen that coming, Bruce!
- How the hell do you gain control of Bruce Wayne's entire investment accounts with only his fingerprints?
- How did Bruce Wayne come back from the prison to Gotham in record time if he's broke? How did he afford a plane ticket?
- Bruce Wayne went from being a self sacrificing idealist at the end of TDK, to a depressed recluse who lost half of his company's fortune developing a fusion reactor. And big surprise when he finds out, oh my god, a fusion reactor can be used as a weapon! No one could have seen that coming, Bruce!
- How the hell do you gain control of Bruce Wayne's entire investment accounts with only his fingerprints?
- How did Bruce Wayne come back from the prison to Gotham in record time if he's broke? How did he afford a plane ticket?
Shrennin
Didn't get the memo regarding the 14th Amendment
I had somewhat of a problem with this too, but she forgave him with his death. She probably still loved him, even if she never forgave him for exiling Bane.
She wanted to blow it up eventually, but first she wanted to torture Gotham for vengeance, I suppose. Ra's wanted to "purge" Gotham, which sounds like destroying it to me. Ra's believed Gotham was too corrupt and needed to be destroyed. Fake Ra's even tries to convince Bruce with the line: "Gotham must be destroyed."
Answered this already, but it was also likely something that she and Bane came up with. Bane wanted to give Gotham a false hope, like he had in that prison. Talia wanted vengeance for her father, which was targeted against Bruce (who wanted to save Gotham).
Well, if she came out and said she was the daughter of Ra's then I doubt Bruce would have trusted her and helped her to become the CEO of Wayne Enterprises (where Bane likely got his information on where the armory was and the reactor).
They were crazy. And Bane also said that he wanted Gotham to be controlled "by the people" so, again, perhaps they thought or assumed that Bane would never unleash the nuclear device. It was just a deterrent to the outside world.
The Bat and the Bat Pod probably had something to do with that. The cops didn't really overpower the criminals until Batman and Catwoman started to help.
BeautifulMemory
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According to IMDB...
That is some crazy pool of talent to come out of. Good job Hathaway!
IMDB said:
That is some crazy pool of talent to come out of. Good job Hathaway!
I mean once Bane has taken over the town. She was hanging out with Fox and the resistance for no reason at all for the longest time, all until Batman came back.
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