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Did anyone really hate Bane's voice during the prologue scene? I mean, it sounded nothing like him and I kept cringing every time he spoke. Then, as soon as he said "crashing this plane" it was in his voice used throughout the movie.
 
- Why did she keep her identity hidden? There was literally no reason, other than to manipulate the audience.

- How did she/Bane have control over all of the criminals? Did they not care that they were going to get blown up by a friggin' nuke as well? Why would they not rebel?

- I thought she needed to keep her identity secret so she could gain control of Wayne corp. and to gain Bruce's trust. How else would she get the nuke?

- do the men know that the nuke is going off anyway?
 
"Crashing" actually, but yes, when that horrific (in theme, not quality) music kicks in...whooooa.

That theme with the trumpets was really really good in IMAX speakers. It's too bad that and a lot of Bane's other themes weren't in the soundtrack. Just have to wait for the complete score.
 
Was it years? It seemed he met her for the first time at the party where Selina steals his car so it was only like a week later that he was turning over the whole company to her. I know she had been investing all that time but that shouldn't necessitate handing the company over to her.

They worked on the fusion project together so they probably had a considerable history. Also there's no indication that she only took a few years to rise to the top at Wayne Enterprises. She may have been with the company for a long time as a plant for the League of Shadows since they had sleeper agents at the BB period. Additionally, she may have been just below board level as of the events in BB and TDK and then got promoted in the 8 intervening years.

We don't see a broad swath of Wayne Enterprises in any movie. Basically only the board and a few individual employees. She may have been a long time executive at the company.

Remember the League had its hooks in Gotham as far back as the time period where the Waynes are murdered at the very least.
 
One thing I really loved was that my theater clapped at the end. It was cool being a part of something like that. You don't see that anymore.

Did your theater clap after TDKR?
 
Did anyone else think it was weird that we got no mentions of the Joker at all? I mean I understand that it's a sore subject since Ledger died, but still, I feel like it's worth mentioning, especially since Bane frees all the prisoner.



"TRIGGER!? TTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!? WHERE'S THE TRIGGGGGGER!?"

Yeah I had a issue with the Joker thing but Nolan did it out of respect that I respect. They give a little nod at what happened during Dark Knight but nothing else. Chances are though Joker would be in the crazy house not a regular prison.
 
Did anyone else think it was weird that we got no mentions of the Joker at all? I mean I understand that it's a sore subject since Ledger died, but still, I feel like it's worth mentioning, especially since Bane frees all the prisoner.



"TRIGGER!? TTTTTTTTTTTTRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!? WHERE'S THE TRIGGGGGGER!?"

On the few things I was accidently spoiled on was that the Bat-Growl wasn't nearly as bad, except for one scene where it's at its most ridiculous. I think I know that scene. :P
 
Oh, I understand her motives. Her character just made no sense.

- She never forgave her father, and yet she cared enough to want to blow up 12 million people to avenge this man that she hated?

- Why did she want to blow up Gotham, exactly? Her father wanted to unleash chaos upon the city to make a point: that it was corrupt and could not be saved. She just wanted to blow it up.

- Which brings me to: why wouldn't she just blow it up right away? What was the point of having the bomb on a 50+ day timer? She never expected Batman to escape the pit and come back, and she wasn't trying to make a political point.

- Why did she keep her identity hidden? There was literally no reason, other than to manipulate the audience.

- How did she/Bane have control over all of the criminals? Did they not care that they were going to get blown up by a friggin' nuke as well? Why would they not rebel?

Other random complaint:

- How did 3000 cops with pistols overpower 1000+ criminals with assault rifles and tanks?

- She was mad at her father for kicking Bane out of the LoS. She and Bane were both true believers in the cause.

- The LoS' stated goal in Begins was to destroy gotham. Ra's planned to have everyone kill each other in a hallucogenic rage. The city was beyond saving. "None of these people have very long to live."

- The timer was to torture Bruce. He would have to watch every moment of anguish on Gotham's streets, and die knowing he could do nothing to stop it.

- I don't think they would have let a known terrorist sympathizer take over Wayne enterprises, do you? She also sabotaged all of the plans made by Gordon/Blake, how do you think Bane learned of their plan so quickly? Her coercion was the only way to get Fox to activate the reactor as well.

- Bane had control of the LoS, all of whom were willing to die to kill the city. The blackgate prisoners were a wildcard, and they seemed more preoccupied with "getting theirs" than trying to confront Bane. And why would they want to stop him? He freed them. They have no idea that he really plans on killing them, his public reason for the bomb was "viva la revolution!"

- I would assume better training, not everyone in either crowd was armed (the LoS were probably the only ones capable of restocking ammo), and the tumblers had to leave when Talia fled.
 
This is actually my main gripe with the movie, there is zero ambiguity in the ending.
Fox finds out autopilot was already installed, and then they show Bruce sitting there when Alfred looks up.
I don't know if panning away after seeing the look on Alfred's face would have made it a better movie, but it would have opened the ending up to debate. As it was, everything was wrapped up and explained with no room for interpretation.

See I fucking hated that shit in Inception. I'm glad they didn't cop-out and do that bullshit with Batman. We deserved to get a legit ending after these movies and all this shit Batman went through.

I know people love the whole "leave it up to your imagination" thing, but I don't want that shit in my Batman movie. Plus I'm glad that guy on Reddit solved the Inception ending anyway.

EDIT: By the way, I don't always hate ambiguity, I just really felt that Inception's end was a total bullshit cop-out, and I'm glad we didn't get that in TDKR.
 
That quote obviously also went against Batman's "one rule." Part of me was thinking that Bane finally broke Batman to the point where he was willing to break that rule - essentially what Joker was trying to do (and kinda succeeded in, honestly).

That's not how it turned out, so it just became a pretty cheesy way of throwing back a line which has no weight from the character it is coming from to the character who originally said that line.

Actually, did Bane say after that: "I broke you" or something. That's probably the only line I'm still not sure what Bane said. The one before Talia stabs Bruce.
 
Yeah I had a issue with the Joker thing but Nolan did it out of respect that I respect. They give a little nod at what happened during Dark Knight but nothing else. Chances are though Joker would be in the crazy house not a regular prison.

Yeah, Joker would be in Arkham but so would Crane and he was released. Until Crane showed up, I just thought that Bane broke out Blackgate but I'm pretty sure Crane would not be held in Blackgate.

Actually, did Bane say after that: "I broke you" or something. That's probably the only line I'm still not sure what Bane said. The one before Talia stabs Bruce.

He did, actually. That may be why I thought that. Perhaps Bruce was planning to kill Bane. We may never know since he did get killed - it just wasn't by Bruce. I actually think it would have been awesome if Bruce killed Bane. That's surprising for me to say, but it would have really shown how far Bane has brought Batman into this desperation.

I had time to build the Bat (really? that's the best name they could come up with? And don't propellors need a lot of space above them to pull in the air necessary to remain aloft?), but I was just too busy to put in the autopilot. I sure hope that doesn't become an important oversight.

On this one at least - the actual name wasn't The Bat but Fox called it that as a nudge to get Bruce "back in the game." Also, it was contracted to be built by Wayne Enterprises, but Fox had no idea that Wayne would ever become Batman again and he was running the company so it seems like he wouldn't have time enough to actually fix the autopilot of something that may never be used.
 
No, it's not nitpicking. It's true, and the movie is full of that kind of shit. Why the fuck he made a city of 12 million people (as they kept repeating) look so totally dead is beyond me. The only time we saw any citizens was in the trials and the fight in front of the jail. In any sort of logical reality, there would have been a million people at that bridge by day three, much less five months in. By two months, the roads would have been unusable, there would have been widespread crime and murder (because every single cop in the city except for the ones we like were stuck underground), and everyone would have long forgotten about the unfairness of rich people, much less bother to hold trials.

But what bothered me far more is the idea that they would not only have a rough idea of when an unstable nuclear energy source/weapon - which by the way was supposedly brand new and totally unique and thus would be even more impossible to predict - but they actually knew down to the second when it would blow.

Then there's Bruce's three minute smirky conversation trying to convince Selina that she's a good person while the city is five hours away from being vaporized. No one thought to tell Bale he should maybe look a little more serious? Especially considering how personally injured he was at the thought of Gotham being destroyed? And how long did it take to find her, considering she professionally hides for a living and was randomly walking down some avenue. All of it time well soent. Fox, meanwhile, was apparently hard to find. I mean, certainly he couldn't invent something that might make it a little easier for the one man who could save the city to find him.

Four hours to go, let's go create a flame bat signal because it looks cool.

I was told by the Batman to get as many people over this bridge (that, once again, should have been crammed with angry people doing anything they could to get out) as I can. Here's a bus half full of orphans. That ought to do it.

I had time to build the Bat (really? that's the best name they could come up with? And don't propellors need a lot of space above them to pull in the air necessary to remain aloft?), but I was just too busy to put in the autopilot. I sure hope that doesn't become an important oversight.

I wish I could let all these idiocies go like I do for most action pictures. But Nolan seems to want us to think a lot. Unfortunately, he only wants us to think about certain aspects that he has carefully manicured. The other stuff not so much. Anyways, I should just stop seeing his movies. I haven't enjoyed one since Memento. I just keep getting caught up in the Gaf hype. The funny thing is that I loved the first forty minutes or so, which apparently everyone else hated, and then the annoyances began to add up at an exponential rate.

All good points, and all contribute to my annoyance with the film (even though I did still enjoy it in the end).
 
Guys I just don't understand this ending. I'm sure there is more to what the movie tells me. This is just like the end of Star Wars, I mean, is Darth Vader really Lukes father? Why didn't they do a DNA test to make sure?? Did Iron Man really survive entering a different galaxy and falling back to Earth in The Avengers? And don't even get me started on The Sixth Sense.
 
This is actually my main gripe with the movie, there is zero ambiguity in the ending.
Fox finds out autopilot was already installed, and then they show Bruce sitting there when Alfred looks up.
I don't know if panning away after seeing the look on Alfred's face would have made it a better movie, but it would have opened the ending up to debate. As it was, everything was wrapped up and explained with no room for interpretation.

I prefer it that way. Ending with just Alfred's expression is one of the worst kind of cop out "ambiguous" endings IMO. I feel the same way about the spinning top at the end of Inception, for that matter.
 
Maybe I missed it but how did Bruce know the bomb was on a timer as soon as he got back to Gotham? Bane never made that public (keeping them under the illusion it was up to them). I guess a possible answer is because he built it, but he didn't know Bane had the core removed, and if it were something he would know then every nuclear scientist in the country would also know.
 
- I would assume better training, not everyone in either crowd was armed (the LoS were probably the only ones capable of restocking ammo), and the tumblers had to leave when Talia fled.

Inmates came out of the black gate prison with assault rifles...I assume they had plenty of weapons/ammo to spare if they were handing them out like candy.
 
Maybe I missed it but how did Bruce know the bomb was on a timer as soon as he got back to Gotham? Bane never made that public (keeping them under the illusion it was up to them). I guess a possible answer is because he built it, but he didn't know Bane had the core removed, and if it were something he would know then every nuclear scientist in the country would also know.

The tv was on the whole time chances are the football game was shown nationwide so everyone seen it.

Wouldn't Arkham, being in Gotham, have been opened during the 5 months Bane was in charge? Scarecrow was released after all.

In Begins Arkham was in the narrows this movie was in the actual city part. Scarecrow might of never been in jail again we have no idea about that.
 
See I fucking hated that shit in Inception. I'm glad they didn't cop-out and do that bullshit with Batman. We deserved to get a legit ending after these movies and all this shit Batman went through.

I know people love the whole "leave it up to your imagination" thing, but I don't want that shit in my Batman movie. Plus I'm glad that guy on Reddit solved the Inception ending anyway.

EDIT: By the way, I don't always hate ambiguity, I just really felt that Inception's end was a total bullshit cop-out, and I'm glad we didn't get that in TDKR.

I can completely see that point of view. I love the movie, my favorite of the year so this is a nitpick that has to do with personal preference.

For me, hearing autopilot was fixed, then seeing Alfred smile would have told me the same thing the actual ending did. But I can completely see how too much ambiguity is not a good thing.
 
After the credits there should have been a scene that takes place, say 6 months later, with Batman (Blake) talking to Gordon, and Gordon telling him about a criminal that leaves riddles at the crime scene.
 
.On this one at least - the actual name wasn't The Bat but Fox called it that as a nudge to get Bruce "back in the game." Also, it was contracted to be built by Wayne Enterprises, but Fox had no idea that Wayne would ever become Batman again and he was running the company so it seems like he wouldn't have time enough to actually fix the autopilot of something that may never be used.

Does he really seem like the kind of guy who would stop working on a project when it was 99.997% finished? He builds entire fucking vehicles by himself. He built a car with a motorcycle inside of it. But autopilot is where he draws the line.
 
Does he really seem like the kind of guy who would stop working on a project when it was 99.997% finished? He builds entire fucking vehicles by himself. He built a car with a motorcycle inside of it. But autopilot is where he draws the line.

Not is the point in fixing it when he knows Bruce wasn't coming back and Fox is trying to keep the company up.
 
Fair enough, it's still depressing this bit of logic delivers the truth/ultimate catharsis of the film.

Really bad storytelling.

How does any of that have to do with the story? Is "People don't notice that Clark Kent is Superman with glasses!" the story of any Superman movie? No, because it's only a bit of a goofy bit of logic that basically doesn't add up to anything or subtract anything unless you've got some nits to pick.

It's comic book logic and it's pretty easy to go with if you aren't on a mission to find plotholes.
 
I find that quite annoying as well. The whole situation in Gotham was possible because of this incredible coincidence: that she was able to rise up to the top of Wayne Enterprises and somehow gain Bruce Wayne's infinite trust in a few short years. Also, she knew that he was Batman somehow...and we were led to believe that she was not on speaking terms with her father prior to his death so I have no idea where she would have found that out.

Everyone in the LoS knew his secret identity. He was naive to think that just because Ra's died that the organization (and that knowledge) died with him. In actuality, it's the same mistake that cost him his house at the end of Begins.
 
Coulda sworn there was a driver that gets shot by the Bat and Talia had to push his body out of the way to keep driving.

Time to go watch it again!

Yeah, Driver gets shot, she moves over in time for the plunge. Before he died, she was saying "Stay Straight" because she knew that Bats and Catwoman were trying to Push them towards the reactor.


That Building could be empty. It could be some business center, and 5 months of occupation...business ain't being done!
 
After the credits there should have been a scene that takes place, say 6 months later, with Batman (Blake) talking to Gordon, and Gordon telling him about a criminal that leaves riddles at the crime scene.

That would only happen if they confirmed the cast for another movie and were definitely doing another movie in this continuity.

They have strongly suggested that this is going to be the last movie of this continuity, so that's not necessary.
 
Then why in the world would he build it? How many thousands of hours did he waste on it?

He didn't say he built it just for Batman, it was another military prototype that the military backed out of buying, just like all of Batman's gear.

That begs the question though, the US military should recognize all of Batman's gear as Wayne tech and know Bruce is at the very least funding Batman.
 
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