Hasphat'sAnts
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Even though it came completely out of left field. The bats were a nice touch.
The Dark Knight really missed out on iconic imagery.
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Even though it came completely out of left field. The bats were a nice touch.
The Dark Knight really missed out on iconic imagery.
Doc Holliday
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One question, I'm sure it's been asked. How did Gordon know about bane? I don't recall anyone saying his name when he was being dragged around.
crimzonflame
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smokeymicpot
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Robin found out his name before hand. I guess Gordon picked it up from him.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Not to derail, but Inception's ending was a proper use of ambiguity--the point was that Cobb no longer cared what the result was. The last second you don't see is actually not important.
The point in TDKR is that Bruce has learned how to live again. There's no reason to be ambiguous about that.
I'd have to rewatch it again, but I assumed that when he was dragged before Bane in the Sewer, that he heard one of them saw the name Bane, or called the ringleader Bane.
Syphon Filter
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Anne was great as catwoman,anyone agree?
i hear ya but it still felt like a real wasted opportunity. there were several moments throughout the movie where he's just giving off a huge dick grayson vibe
she was lovely. nailed the role, never made it cheesy. sexy but in a sultry way not a slutty way. excellent casting and execution.
Then people would be upset they ruined Dick Grayson.
Since he's not the real Robin the name was more like fanservice...
Agreed. She pulled it off.
totally agree
Most people don't know Dick Grayson. Saying "Robin" is a nice nod to Batman's associate, just like Blake was in this film.
I think Robin was handled masterfully in this film. I had no idea about that like twist at the end. Kinda funny that we joked about "JGL is Robin" all those times, and it ended up being true, in a way!
JGL was more like Jason Todd if I had to compare him to one of the Robin characters.
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no because those proto-types were only see by very few classified military officials, and they were painted blacked and used at night. that's why batman used his lambo during DK, because he didnt want anyone to get a clear look at the batmobile during the day time. all that went out the window during DKR
faceless007
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Right, I got that but like I said the bomb being on a timer wasn't public, Bane just said at the game that he would detonate it if anyone left the city.
Sho_Nuff82
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If he just came out and named his character Dick Grayson everyone would spend the entire film waiting for Batman's sidekick to put on a mask. Same reason Neesan was listed as "Ducard" and Cotillard as "Miranda", the true name is a spoiler in and of itself. Sometimes, people deserve better than the truth.
I bet the military didn't want it because of the missing autopilot.
The point is, autopilot in this case is not a feature of a dubious aircraft. It's a plot device. And a terrible one. Just like the super-efficient and powerful clean energy supply that is also a nuclear bomb so gracious as to indicate exactly when it would go off. Or the woman who spent her entire life rising to become Chair of one of the biggest corporations on the planet, spending her time championing clean energy for all, all as a front to eventually destroy Gotham. These are the kinds of devices that belong in awful movies. And yet because of whatever weird hold Nolan has on Gaf (who! by the way, usually can't wait to point out these kinds of things), no one seems to care.
I should say I thought Anne Hathaway and Joseph Gordon Levitt were the best parts of the movie, despite some of the dialogue they had to contend with.
she didnt have anything to do with cats, though. would it have been so hard to sneak in at least one cat pun?
actually i see where this is coming from. it was a completely different character so why not just name him something different but still a little nod to the comics. never mind!
the way her goggles flip up and look like cat ears did it for me.
Discotheque
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Haha yes. He fluctuated between that and Sean Connery with a monocle.
Also I was listening to Imagine the Fire when I was working out. Took those chinups to the limit OMG.
crimsonspider89
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Catwoman did say cat got your tongue I believe.
First two parts were good, the last part was awful.
First two parts were good, the last part was awful.
...it's a comic book movie. You wanna bring the science into all the improbable things done with vehicles and gadgets while you're at it?
Doc Holliday
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Bane sounds a lot like Jeremy irons.
Hasphat'sAnts
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That happens in every damn movie.
And given the timeline for the three movies, it would have taken Talia 10 years to hatch this plan. Plenty of time to plant herself as a pre-eminent business leader. Especially with LoS resources
QuiteWhittle
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He's closer to Tim Drake, imo.
He was a Robin The Dark Knight Rises needed, but not a Robin every Bat-Fan deserved.
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crimsonspider89
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Except for the fact that nuclear fission creates a mini sun and where is the fallout.
But this isn't every damn comic book movie. It is apparently supposed to be smarter than that. It seems to think so anyway. What irks me is how gritty and real so much of these movies are, but with this layer of incredibly stupid (and largely avoidable) bullshit on top.
Doc Holliday
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I'm surprised by how much this movie reminds of the dark knight returns. It had very similar vibe, probably the closest thing well ever get.
Neuton bomb radiation doesn't travel very far. Fusion doesn't create a mini-sun, it's just the same reaction that occurs in stars.
Shrennin
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Also, one possible answer I have as to Joker's whereabouts - Scarecrow was released which means that Bane probably released Arkham's inmates. Well, Joker is the kinda crazy that would probably just stay in his cell, enjoying the chaos that is revolving around him. I mean, it's not like he didn't have a hand in it - Dent's cover-up had a huge affect on both Bruce and Gordon and it was also something that Bane was able to use to his advantage.
Yup, this is essentially because Tim Drake and JGL have one thing in common: They both figured out Batman's identity.
Yup, this is essentially because Tim Drake and JGL have one thing in common: They both figured out Batman's identity.
To those that didn't like the accent on Bane's voice: Am I the only one thinking that it was intentionally made to sound like that due to the red herring of him being Ra's son? I mean there were a bunch of times during the movie that he sounded very close to Liam Neeson's Ra's.
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Bruce spent 7 years traveling across Southeast asia so he could learn to head butt the man who threw him out of a diner, and Talia's back story is farfetched?
Asuming her plan started shortly after Ra's death, that's 9 years she had for her revenge plot. Her ascension in the corporate world was obviously eased because she has a multinational terrorist organization backing up her every move.
If Heath Ledger was alive, I think Joker would've had a cameo during the chaos after the Arkham inmates were released.
When his mask was coming off I thought they would pull a bait & switch with Bane being Ra's.
Lol, during the final scene when batman was asking where the trigger was I wanted to yell "its behiiiinnnddd yoooouuuuuu!".
Yea I was super into that scene.
If Heath Ledger was alive, the entire movie would have been different. He would have been central to the story.
Well the final moments of film emphasize:
1) Batman is a faceless hero with a statue so nobody forgets who saved the city.
2) Gordon realizes who Batman is and it's a sweeping moment.
3) We infer Robin became Robin because of his convenient pre-teen intuition of figuring out Bruce as Batman.
4) People really wish they could know who Batman was.
Add in people's amazement/interest when Bruce/Batman returns to the spotlight at the same time, Catwoman's surprise at the reveal, and the general theme of identity...
Loved the moment the entire police force stopped pursuing the man potentially destroying the entire financial system of the country because they saw Batman. Guess Batman (and his identity) would have to be pretty important for that too occur right? His identity would've had to have been in the headspace of the 12 million Gotham City residents we're supposed to be caring about right?
Making the 'it's a comic book' excuse is just a cop out. One of its central narrative pillars of the film revolves WHO Batman is. Bad logic is bad logic is bad logic, particularly when a film is clearing trying to be 'more than just a comic book movie'.
Discotheque
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I think that's exactly what he was inspired by at times. The funeral scene for example (and faking his death).
Hell I was expecting him to be underground waiting for Blake himself.
edit: I couldn't stand that pre-teen intuition shit Blake had. Solo fan edit better cut that entire scene out completely.
I'm kind of feel like Nolan wanted to make a movie based on no man's land. There were definitely elements of it in there. The ending to that was extremely dark.
Shrennin
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One thing I didn't quite get - Bruce Wayne and Batman both clearly died. How is it not assumed that Bruce Wayne is Batman? Do the people of Gotham assume that Bane just killed Wayne before Batman died?
Nolan may have used a similar story and he may have introduced Bane as a villain, but Joker would have definitely been pretty central to Nolan's version of No Man's Land. Ledger's Joker was too iconic not to use. Also, Nolan said that he didn't come up with a story for TDKR until after Inception, I believe, so who knows what the story would have been if Ledger was alive.
Nolan may have used a similar story and he may have introduced Bane as a villain, but Joker would have definitely been pretty central to Nolan's version of No Man's Land. Ledger's Joker was too iconic not to use. Also, Nolan said that he didn't come up with a story for TDKR until after Inception, I believe, so who knows what the story would have been if Ledger was alive.
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Plenty of rich people died during Bane's reign.
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