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ThatCrazyGuy
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I think he says "No autopilot". That sets up so people think he died, then they see Fox with the autopilot hacked in scene to bring back the thought he is alive.
GekigangerV
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1) you're right about the symbolism but the actual scenes emphasize his identity
2) it plants the seed - I think this issue could've been ENTIRELY voided by eliminating JGL's intuition moment - his 'knowing' that Bruce = Batman should've been omitted.
3) the pursuit only heightens the emphasis upon batman's identity and it broke my disbelief. The fact he gets away with from the entire force with a single handy jump right afterward was appallingly bad. Why not let Batman just get away normally?
Agree to disagree. I've got a bunch of other complaints but I'm on a cell phone :/
Her staying embedded is how they managed to derail Gordon's plan. They gave her the radiation detector to mark the right truck, she marked the decoy to ruin their plan. Also, since she knew their plan she was able to rig the flooding of the reactor room to prevent them from succeeding. She also gave away the under cover US marines who went to get Fox.
Her staying under cover is a huge part of why they were able to get so close to succeeding.
But the person he says it to is Selina, who is seen with him later.
Pretty sure Fox and Bruce talk about the autopilot long before.
Yes I know, but I'm talking about the ending in particular when he delivers the "No autopilot" line. Fox and Bruce don't talk about whether or not Bruce has fixed it when they get the Bat. Bruce just says "It works fine, even without the autopilot".
Plot hole #4872938
Also, how does Bruce do anything after he fakes his death? He has no money.
I assumed he just said it as a way of verbally displaying that he's not coming back. That way he can slip out and Batman will be no more. He likely wanted to reveal to his group (Gordon, Selina, Blake, Alfred, Fox) that he was okay when the time was right, by way of the will for Blake, and so on and so forth.
Selina fences all of her many many expensive stolen things? Imagination, man.
Selina fences all of her many many expensive stolen things? Imagination, man.
smokeymicpot
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Same way he lived for 7 years in Batman Begins.
vas_a_morir
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He's a resourceful, hardy, and brilliant man. He'd definitely find a way.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I think there sOme instructions in that thing he gave her on how to meet up later. I think, haha.
So...whilst its obviously the better film, TDKR feels in some ways like Matrix Revolutions:
- Final in a successful trilogy
- MUCH larger in scale than the last two
- Things get crazy. More tech/effects.
- All out war.
- An overwhelming sense of despair and hopelessness throughout the film.
- The lead character struggles with his own legend, and sacrifices himself/it to save his world.
Or is that comparison silly?
- Final in a successful trilogy
- MUCH larger in scale than the last two
- Things get crazy. More tech/effects.
- All out war.
- An overwhelming sense of despair and hopelessness throughout the film.
- The lead character struggles with his own legend, and sacrifices himself/it to save his world.
Or is that comparison silly?
Matrix 2 and 3 were pretty awful so I personally don't care to compare them.
ThatCrazyGuy
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Did you not see that other thread about the 1% and all their off shore accounts hiding money all over the world? You don't think rich people have connections?
Your posts have a thousand plots holes! Hehe.
I know. That doesn't in any way change the similarities however.
That's like saying 'me and that guy are very similar, but he's a dick so im ignoring all those similarities '
The Dark Knight Rises actually had a real conclusion for Bruce Wayne and not a bullshit copout ending for Neo.
vas_a_morir
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Actually dude... that is the perfect explanation. He has billions stashed away.
Sho_Nuff82
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"They don't even go broke like the rest of us." - Selina Kyle
Bruce probably had secret stashes all over the world.
Edit: Revolutions was the ass end of Reloaded, and the ending was a return to status quo so they could launch their crappy mmorpg. Everything is worse than Matrix 1 and 2.
Just got back. Mehhhhh.
To me, Gotham City is the central character of any good Batman story. It's at its best treated like an island unto itself; Representative of the world, yet at the same time, sealed away from it.
There's something that takes me out of the Batman mythos when the US Army shows up at Gotham's doorstep, when the President comes on TV and addresses the city, when Batman spends half the movie in a prison far away.
That's part of why TDK is so great in comparison to BB and now TDKR. It's all Gotham, all the time, there are no external factors encroaching into it. It's its own private puppet theater where a guy in a batsuit makes sense. As soon as you start imposing upon it a place in the "real world", the sense starts peeling away.
To me, Gotham City is the central character of any good Batman story. It's at its best treated like an island unto itself; Representative of the world, yet at the same time, sealed away from it.
There's something that takes me out of the Batman mythos when the US Army shows up at Gotham's doorstep, when the President comes on TV and addresses the city, when Batman spends half the movie in a prison far away.
That's part of why TDK is so great in comparison to BB and now TDKR. It's all Gotham, all the time, there are no external factors encroaching into it. It's its own private puppet theater where a guy in a batsuit makes sense. As soon as you start imposing upon it a place in the "real world", the sense starts peeling away.
MrPink93485
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The delivery from Bale is hilarious there, like he's really straining to put a smile on his face while he says that
NYR
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First few steps are fine, it was when you got out deep, you were done.
Ephemeris
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Main difference is, I loved the ending to TDKR.
Did you forget the Hong Kong sequences?
Man, everyone is nit picking in this thread, it's ridiculous!
I agree it's a little jarring, and the President stuff could have been more off-hand, but you go and take over an American city, and you can sure as hell bet the military would get involved.
Are we retconning Hong Kong from TDK?
Gun was meant for clearing obstacles, not people.
That's something you're going to complain about...?
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Not to mention Wayne Manor isn't in the city limits.
On the flip side, I would find it odd that the government allowed a terrorist to take the city hostage for 5 months and not do anything about it.
That just fits with the ending being alfred's dream and batman dying and robin taking over as the new batman
The terrorists had a nuclear weapon they threatened to use at the sign of interference.
The US government also ignored that and sent special forces disguised as aid workers, and that failed too.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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It really did feel, in a weird way, like Bane almost had sympathy for Wayne in that moment. Bane is actually a genuinely interesting character. I lol'd at seeing Tom Hardy in the flashback sans mask for some reason, hahahaha.
The craziest rumour I read that didn't come true was that JGL turned out to be a spy for the League of Shadows that gets shot in the head near the end of the movie by one of Talia's goons or something.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Haha, I guess so.
Well, it was a short sequence and it was a city at nighttime, it's not fundamentally divorced from Gotham. And it was a good testbed for the sonar-vision gadget he used later in the movie.
I guess I just don't dig him being in stone-walled, non-urban places. It's not Batman without towering skyscrapers and urban decay.
He felt bad for Wayne because he was a former member of the League.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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This was my assumption too. No way in hell do I believe Bruce is totally broke. Both he and Alfred are fucking rich and off to have their happy endings.
I am wondering if Alfred and Bruce will ever interact again... that scene at the end may be enough for Alfred, knowing that Bruce is finally okay and wanting to live a life, but I'm just curious.
Another line.. that was kind of a throwaway but kind of interesting...
Is Bruce talking to Alfred about why he doesn't give some of his tech to law enforcement, and he's like "One's man tool.. is another man's weapon"
And watching Begins
It dawns on me, Ra's uses his dad's train as a weapon.. as well as a weapon from Wayne Enterprises
Technically The Joker turned Batman's weapon against him, if you count Harvey Dent as his way out
And Talia/Bane turn Bruce's nuclear device against him in Rises.. as well as the Tumbler.
Is Bruce talking to Alfred about why he doesn't give some of his tech to law enforcement, and he's like "One's man tool.. is another man's weapon"
And watching Begins
It dawns on me, Ra's uses his dad's train as a weapon.. as well as a weapon from Wayne Enterprises
Technically The Joker turned Batman's weapon against him, if you count Harvey Dent as his way out
And Talia/Bane turn Bruce's nuclear device against him in Rises.. as well as the Tumbler.
He's also on a sailboat in the blue waters of the Pacific.
What scene was that? I can't remember
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Rewatchced Begins over lunch. Really put into light the importance of Wane's character, and the symbolisms of enduring icons and symbols in the absence of people. The return of the League of Shadows represents the latter, how even without Ra's al Ghul and the league effectively dismantled they still endured, again with the desire to destroy Gotham, simply for what the mission represented. Bruce's sacrifice of the Batman character represents the exact same thing: the endurance of something more than human.
And it isn't until the end of the film that Bruce Wane, the man, finally finds himself with a future. He essentially didn't exist for the three films, because no matter how Wane viewed Batman as a symbol, Batman was always him more than Wane was. It isn't until TDKR ends that Batman becomes the symbol he's been built up to be.
And it isn't until the end of the film that Bruce Wane, the man, finally finds himself with a future. He essentially didn't exist for the three films, because no matter how Wane viewed Batman as a symbol, Batman was always him more than Wane was. It isn't until TDKR ends that Batman becomes the symbol he's been built up to be.
The scene when he comes back from his first night as Batman.. with like the flash drive or whatever... to decipher the information
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After Batman gets chased by the cops he goes back into the batcave.
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