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KevinCow said:
Joker playing a role in this movie could've been amazing. I could see him as a wildcard, not on Bane's side and not on Batman's, but doing his own thing, working with either faction when it's convenient for him.

It's a damn shame what happened.
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Yeah I would of loved this.
 
AvidNobody said:
I was pretty harsh to them, don't worry, haha. But a lot of people are saying something to the effect of "How did he survive?" in this thread as well. Everything is clearly represented in the film, yet people end up confused.
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I'm pretty sure Nolan's next film will end with his head literally popping out of the screen saying "THIS IS ALL TO BE TAKEN AT FACE VALUE. PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT, INTERNET."
 
God damn that was awesome. There were certain moments when the acting, music and build-up came together so perfectly that I was in a state of temporal bliss.

I could pick apart certain parts of the movie I felt didn't work but it almost just seems pointless because as a holistic experience, it was marvelous.
 
I think i'll watch this at least one more time in the theater, and probably at least once on its own when it comes out on blu.

Most future viewings, though, I'll definitely be watching all 3 together.
 
I'm fairly certain The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises never even happened.

After Scarecrow gassed Bruce at the apartment, then set him alight, Bruce entered a delirious catatonic state. Laying atop a rooftop, in his final moments Bruce hallucinations the salvation of Gotham, its destruction at the hands of theatrical villains thwart over and over. The Joker and Bane never existed. The League of Shadows destroyed Gotham. Bruce died.
 
EatChildren said:
I'm fairly certain The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises never even happened.

After Scarecrow gassed Bruce at the apartment, then set him alight, Bruce entered a delirious catatonic state. Laying atop a rooftop, in his final moments Bruce hallucinations the salvation of Gotham, its destruction at the hands of theatrical villains thwart over and over. The Joker and Bane never existed. The League of Shadows destroyed Gotham. Bruce died.
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Nah man, Bruce actually died in the prison from the beginning. Everything that happens, Ra's, the League, Batman, Scarecrow, the Microwave Emitter, Gordon, Joker, Dent, Bane, Selina, Talia, all hallucinations from right before he died.
 
EatChildren said:
I'm fairly certain The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises never even happened.

After Scarecrow gassed Bruce at the apartment, then set him alight, Bruce entered a delirious catatonic state. Laying atop a rooftop, in his final moments Bruce hallucinations the salvation of Gotham, its destruction at the hands of theatrical villains thwart over and over. The Joker and Bane never existed. The League of Shadows destroyed Gotham. Bruce died.
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maybe it was just one of cobb's dreams the entire time.
 
EatChildren said:
I'm fairly certain The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises never even happened.

After Scarecrow gassed Bruce at the apartment, then set him alight, Bruce entered a delirious catatonic state. Laying atop a rooftop, in his final moments Bruce hallucinations the salvation of Gotham, its destruction at the hands of theatrical villains thwart over and over. The Joker and Bane never existed. The League of Shadows destroyed Gotham. Bruce died.
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Or it could just be all something else
 
Hasphat'sAnts said:
Even though it came completely out of left field. The bats were a nice touch.

The Dark Knight really missed out on iconic imagery.
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Iconic as in what? As in imagery relating to the Batman mythos? Or as in imagery that isn't already iconic, but is a new kind of memorable and from now in will be iconic? If the former, true, but if you mean the latter, then absolutely not. TDK delivered the most iconic imagery in the entire series. And I prefer the latter definition. It means that specific film did something right, instead of just leaching off previous mythology.
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Gordon's admission should have been replaced with security footage of Dent's final moments (with sound). It would be much better if Gordon was hiding a video instead. It would make him look more guilty (his hands would be dirtier) and it would just be a lot more powerful than a dude reading some fucking speech script. And that should have been the moment Gotham truly fell. Like we see the citizens watching it and just being devastated at what they were seeing. Maybe the riot begins with people tearing down a Dent statue (what if it was at the same place Batman's would later be?).

Then I would be pleased with TDK's place in the trilogy and the Joker's legacy. Right now it feels unrelated (or maybe better described as like if they took a background event like "The Dent Act" and fleshed it out way more than they needed to), like Batman Begins: Gaiden.

I can't wait until I get bored of thinking of possibilities so I can be free.
 
Quackula said:
I feel like in 5 years or so people will be arguing endlessly over which Nolan Batman movie was the best.
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The consensus from the general audience will be it's The Dark Knight, if only for it being the film that made this trilogy as big as it is.

Personally, it goes for me TDK>BB>TDKR, but they're all by the slimmest of margins, and I consider them all excellent films.
 
Quackula said:
Nah man, Bruce actually died in the prison from the beginning. Everything that happens, Ra's, the League, Batman, Scarecrow, the Microwave Emitter, Gordon, Joker, Dent, Bane, Selina, Talia, all hallucinations from right before he died.
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This makes even more sense, because the whole idea of a Batman is so insane it could only come from the mind of a malnourished, dehydrated inmate on the verge of death. Would explain why Gotham looks different in each film and how Rachel's entire appearance changes.
 
Quackula said:
Nah man, Bruce actually died in the prison from the beginning. Everything that happens, Ra's, the League, Batman, Scarecrow, the Microwave Emitter, Gordon, Joker, Dent, Bane, Selina, Talia, all hallucinations from right before he died.
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Naw man, Bruce actually has dissociative personality. He created the character of Joe Chill when in fact, he actually killed his parents. He would later grow up to be Pat Bateman.
 
But you wouldn't clap yet. Because making something disappear isn't enough; you have to bring it back. That's why every magic trick has a third act, the hardest part, the part we call "The Cafe Scene".
 
Scullibundo said:
So I was thinking and.... why did Bruce fake his death?

Can Bruce Wayne not live in Italy and have sex with womens? Is he tax-dodging? Is he scared that there are even more LoS members that know Bruce Wayne = Batman?

I mean, he told pretty much every friend of his that already knew he was Bruce Wayne that he was alive. Was it all just so he could make Alfred cry?
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I'm sure people would have worked it all out after the events in tdkr.

Batman disappears for 8 years. So does Wayne. They both re-appear at the same time.

Banes army are using tumblers and gear stolen from Wayne Enterprises. Hey....those look very similar to Batman's stuff, don't they?
 
TDK will never beat out BB begins for me, simply because of the "okay now I'm going to be a murdering lunatic" Harvey Dent character arc.
 
EatChildren said:
TDK will never beat out BB begins for me, simply because of the "okay now I'm going to be a murdering lunatic" Harvey Dent character arc.
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I've never bought this complaint. He lost the love of his life (that she was even in the Joker's cross hairs was because he was Gotham's white knight) and got half of his face blown off. Not to mention the movie did a pretty good job of making him seem slightly unhinged from the get go with him nearly getting shot at in court, but still wanting to continue the cross exam.
 
EatChildren said:
TDK will never beat out BB begins for me, simply because of the "okay now I'm going to be a murdering lunatic" Harvey Dent character arc.
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I can say that at the very least, i've seen far worse face-heel turns.

Also forget the prison, Bruce went into a coma after falling into the well.
 
EatChildren said:
I'm fairly certain The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises never even happened.

After Scarecrow gassed Bruce at the apartment, then set him alight, Bruce entered a delirious catatonic state. Laying atop a rooftop, in his final moments Bruce hallucinations the salvation of Gotham, its destruction at the hands of theatrical villains thwart over and over. The Joker and Bane never existed. The League of Shadows destroyed Gotham. Bruce died.
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He really needed to lighten up.
 
smokeymicpot said:
Which will be Batman Begins.
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I'm putting it as TDKR > BB > TDK at this point, tentatively. I'm still in a high over having just finished TDKR less than an hour ago, but as an entire experience from start-to-finish, I think it's just more satisfying than either BB and TDK.

TDK's Joker scenes contain probably the highest highs of the series (or any comic book movie), but there's a lot of sag whenever Joker isn't on-screen, despite Aaron Eckhart's best efforts. It also featured little Bruce Wayne and a silly, over-the-top Batman, and it particularly suffers on subsequent viewings.

And while the first half of BB is close to perfect for what it was striving for, the second half is pretty meh relative to what came before it. And Katie Holmes can't act.
 
Biggest-Geek-Ever said:
I've never bought this complaint. He lost the love of his life (that she was even in the Joker's cross hairs was because he was Gotham's white knight) and got half of his face blown off. Not to mention the movie did a pretty good job of making him seem slightly unhinged from the get go with him nearly getting shot at in court, but still wanting to continue the cross exam.
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It's still not enough for me. Bad shit happened to him, but he showed no signs of becoming a killer. It's the one enduring annoyance that stuck with me the moment TDK finished. Of everything in that excellent film, I felt unsatisfied by Harvey's character arc and felt his transformation into Two Face "I'm going to try and kill an innocent woman and her kid" happened far too quickly.

But I know a lot of people feel differently, and this has been an argument dragged through the mud since the film was released. Personally, Begins has the tightest script and narrative of the three films with fewer contrivances and plot holes. There's not a scene I'd change or I feel is out of place.
 
Was Wayne Tower redesigned in TDK from Batman Begins or is that just a separate Wayne building? It seems kind of strange they would intentionally break continuity and disregard the Wayne Tower they designed in Batman Begins.
 
MisterAnderson said:
Was Wayne Tower redesigned in TDK from Batman Begins or is that just a separate Wayne building? It seems kind of strange they would intentionally break continuity and disregard the Wayne Tower they designed in Batman Begins.
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You can kinda see the tower from Begins in the background when Joker and Batman face off in the streets after that big chase sequence.

I just assumed they moved their HQ to a different building.
 
MisterAnderson said:
Was Wayne Tower redesigned in TDK from Batman Begins or is that just a separate Wayne building? It seems kind of strange they would intentionally break continuity and disregard the Wayne Tower they designed in Batman Begins.
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Most likely the reason different locations for filming. They didn't film in Chicago this time around.
 
I completely disagree with Doug Walker's (That Guy With The Glasses) assertion that the movie didn't do a good enough of job of giving Batman a dilemma or making the audience feel what he is going through. I don't know if he was distracted or what, but everything from Bruce being a recluse/cripple (essentially), to putting on the cowl again, to (STILL) dealing with Rachel's loss and losing Alfred's faith in him, to the whole showdown with Bane and being broken and then Rising up again...

I don't know how he could come away with that conclusion.
 
MisterAnderson said:
Was Wayne Tower redesigned in TDK from Batman Begins or is that just a separate Wayne building? It seems kind of strange they would intentionally break continuity and disregard the Wayne Tower they designed in Batman Begins.
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They moved to the building next door. Someone has posted a picture on here before that shows both buildings.
 
reilo said:
I completely disagree with Doug Walker's (That Guy With The Glasses) assertion that the movie didn't do a good enough of job of giving Batman a dilemma or making the audience feel what he is going through. I don't know if he was distracted or what, but everything from Bruce being a recluse/cripple (essentially), to putting on the cowl again, to (STILL) dealing with Rachel's loss and losing Alfred's faith in him, to the whole showdown with Bane and being broken and then Rising up again...

I don't know how he could come away with that conclusion.
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He felt Batman '89 was better than TDK and doesn't care at all for the way the Nolan movies portray Bruce Wayne.

Not suprised by his reaction.
 
A big issue I had with the movie was I felt that Bruce deserved to have his back broken. He was out of the game for 8 years and decides to go back out there against another League of Shadows guy, but Bruce is WAAAAY out of practice. It is like an athlete returning to a sport after a long retirement and he has not kept up his game. He deserves to be beaten, and badly.
 
What BB did was scale things back. TDK opened things up without feeling spread thin. TDKR felt pulled apart by ambition. There's just so much needless shit.

I hope we don't go Robin and just wait for a reboot. While I found the backstory blah in BB, I liked hardened nature of it. Some of the best scenes in the trilogy might've been the 'feeling it out' as Batman' moments.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
A big issue I had with the movie was I felt that Bruce deserved to have his back broken. He was out of the game for 8 years and decides to go back out there against another League of Shadows guy, but Bruce is WAAAAY out of practice. It is like an athlete returning to a sport after a long retirement and he has not kept up his game. He deserves to be beaten, and badly.
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If you think he deserved to get beaten badly (for the reasons you stated), and he did, then how is that an issue?
 
ezekial45 said:
I just think that there were a lot of expectations with this movie, and when they didn't match for certain people they tend to go overboard (IMHO) with the criticisms.

Though I am slightly amused to see how quickly a number of fans have turned on Nolan and co.
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Obviously people thought TDK x Inception = TDKR

We've seen Nolan struggle with some characters before but the film turned out amazing anyway, Leo's wife in Inception, Harvey Dent in TDK... this time I felt there were just a lot more wasted potential, pretty much all characters are at one point in time were uninteresting in the movie... the weird thing is that the story had potential but the script still needed a lot of work... im not sure about the stock exchange idea, the stadium, the 5 month bomb duration.. just a massive lack of urgency.... however Nolan somehow always excels at the ending which alot of people struggle to do...
 
reilo said:
If you think he deserved to get beaten badly (for the reasons you stated), and he did, then how is that an issue?
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It annoyed me because it felt like they were trying to make me feel good for Batman returning and for me to feel bad for his getting his ass kicked. It bothered me because almost the entire movie I felt like "Batman is a moron."
 
PhoncipleBone said:
A big issue I had with the movie was I felt that Bruce deserved to have his back broken. He was out of the game for 8 years and decides to go back out there against another League of Shadows guy, but Bruce is WAAAAY out of practice. It is like an athlete returning to a sport after a long retirement and he has not kept up his game. He deserves to be beaten, and badly.
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Alfred said to him that he almost wanted to fail, I think at this point Bruce wants to die to create his Batman icon.
 
I was surprised Batman was that keen after 8 years off a motorcycle. Maybe that's what he'd been doing in the underground while rehabbing his injuries?
 
I must have missed this in TDK, but why was batman a cripple at the beginning of the movie, and why did he have no cartilage in his knees?
 
nilbog21 said:
I must have missed this in TDK, but why was batman a cripple at the beginning of the movie, and why did he have no cartilage in his knees?
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Once more...

The fall from the end of TDK

Bruce fucked up his leg. Dent broke his neck and died.

EDIT: Beaten
 
nilbog21 said:
I must have missed this in TDK, but why was batman a cripple at the beginning of the movie, and why did he have no cartilage in his knees?
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Well his body took a lot of abuse during his stint as Batman in the two movies. He was also limping after that nasty fall in TDK so I assumed that might've messed him up good as well.
 
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