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Killer Gator, actually
Beaniedude
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I think it should be compulsory from now on to have every Nolan movie end with a shot of the top spinning.
Seriously, he should have ended this movie with it.
I would have laughed.
Seriously, he should have ended this movie with it.
I would have laughed.
You'd think TDKR DID end with a top spinning based on how many people didn't get the ending.
lol, what is there not to get? About as straightforward an ending as you can have.
Clearly I've missed out on some funnies
lol, what is there not to get? About as straightforward an ending as you can have.
Clearly I've missed out on some funnies
mainly people who believe Wayne is dead, because the Bat blew up.
Well if you're Alfred and you're at a restaurant and your dead friend smiles at you, your reaction is not "oh hey, what's up let me join you!"
Whats there to get about the ending?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The dialogue levels were terrible in TDKR. Even I had to lean over to my girlfriend and check "Fox said about the autopilot, right?" The film needlessly drums things into your head like Dent's arc, but then important plot points of its own are gabbled about in noisy environments.
lol, what is there not to get? About as straightforward an ending as you can have.
Clearly I've missed out on some funnies
There are a NUMBER of people in here who:
- thought Bruce died and Alfred was actually dreaming the end
- didn't notice that Selina was with Bruce at the cafe
- completely missed Bruce surviving due to fixing the autopilot and bailing out
- completely missed Lucious knowing Bruce was alive because of the fix
- completely missed Gordon knowing Bruce was alive because of the restored bat symbol
Yes, lolz have been had, as well as many facepalms.
The Elite
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We need blue and grey Batman
I'd like a darker shade of blue and grey though but this is definitely more in line with what I want out of the next trilogy. The "comic booky" bits in Rises got me excited for something more closely tied to the comics or animated series.
This colorscheme is probably going to be used in the reboot that will kickoff the JLA-movie.
Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it's almost impossible to eradicate.
Yep. It's bizarre how bad the dialogue mixing in this movie was.
Oh, and lots think that Robin is actually Robin, the Boy Wonder. Many didn't get that the name was just a fun little joke and that Robin will become Batman.
This is what happens when texting is prevalent at a movie theater
Beaniedude
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I'm not going to lie, when they went down in the sewers the first time I was pumping myself for a Killer Croc reveal. And when the kid said the orphans were going into the sewers to find work I was pumping myself for a hilarious Sewer King reveal.
Instead we have Bane lining the city with explosives.
Which I will take as a substitute.
And there is people that wouldn't get the Bruce coat reference to Gordon if it wasn't for the flashback; or if Harvey Dent was really dead...
To be honest, I hate flashbacks, I love references that you get the more you see a movie, but when I talk to a lot of people about movies like this I see they are totally neccesary.
To be honest, I hate flashbacks, I love references that you get the more you see a movie, but when I talk to a lot of people about movies like this I see they are totally neccesary.
The Technomancer
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We need blue and grey Batman
Blue and Grey Batman actually makes sense. Well, not as light of a shade of blue as that but really deep blue is harder to see in darkness then black is.
So who's up for a more comic-booky, Arkhamversey Batman?
I'm thinking the next film could feature an established Batman, alongside Jim Gordon (Bryan Cranston) fighting Black Mask (John Hamm) and his heavy, Killer Croc (Idris Elba). *end fanwank*
Or would Hamm make an okay Older Bruce Wayne / Bats?
I'm thinking the next film could feature an established Batman, alongside Jim Gordon (Bryan Cranston) fighting Black Mask (John Hamm) and his heavy, Killer Croc (Idris Elba). *end fanwank*
Or would Hamm make an okay Older Bruce Wayne / Bats?
The dude says his name is Robin, looks like Robin (short, small frame, dark hair, young etc). Most people in the real world will absolutely believe that he is going to become Robin. I sent a text to some friends last night that JGL is not Robin and they all said "Says who?"
The Elite
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I wouldn't start with an older Bats but I do want one that is already established.
All of Bruce's interacton w/ JGL, leaving the batcave to him and restoring the Bat symbol make no sense if JGL is becoming Robin. He is becoming Batman.
Goddamn you Nolan for choosing such a cheeky name
lol, what is there not to get? About as straightforward an ending as you can have.
Clearly I've missed out on some funnies
Reminds me of my friend who at the end of The Dark Knight asked if Commissioner Gordon now hates Batman.
Did anyone cringe when Bane broke the Batman's back?
In the IMAX theater the crunch was so loud and painful sounding...
I laughed.
The Elite
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Leave Nolan's films alone. Let's not continue down that path. They are a very unique take on the super hero film but it's really time to move on.
I thought it was dumb that they had his real name be Robin. I guess its mostly for people that don't follow the comics and don't know any of the Robin's real names, but its like, "Robin will become the caped crusader known as Batman" or "Robin will become the caped crusader known as Robin". Which are both dumb.
YESSSS.Solo said:
All of Bruce's interacton w/ JGL, leaving the batcave to him and restoring the Bat symbol make no sense if JGL is becoming Robin. He is becoming Batman.
Goddamn you Nolan for choosing such a cheeky name
So does Bruce leave him any money at the end of the movie or? I do wish the end of the movie was not as rushed through as it was. Felt it could have had a little more room to breathe.
Escape Goat
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Batman probably hates Gordon now because Gordon can't keep a secret. So now Batman has to eliminate Gordon before he lets slip the other secret about Batman's identity.
haha I had the exact some thoughts today talking about this at work.
Blakebats, vs riddler by fincher. More detective piece ala seven\batman begins.
make it happen gaf.
I dunno, I'd expect them to totally reboot it. Nolan's films are their own thing and I don't think having another director attempt to mimic his style would work well.
I'd love to see someone like Alex Proyas get a stab at his own version of Batman, but that's probably a pipe dream.
Ah yes, how did that Gordon quote go.
"Because he's the asshole Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now."
I'd love to see someone like Alex Proyas get a stab at his own version of Batman, but that's probably a pipe dream.
Ah yes, how did that Gordon quote go.
"Because he's the asshole Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now."
The Elite
BOSS
I'm going to assume Robin will be just fine financially but he probably didn't leave him cash through the usual channels.
I think we can assume with a high degree of likelihood that, contrary to his will, Bruce wasn't actually broke when he died. This is a smart, smart man. No doubt in my mind he left JGL enough to be able to afford being Bats, and had enough for himself and Selina to live on.
The stock transfers were fraudulent, even in the context of the film, it would have had to be reversed at some point (the film just states it would take time), at which time any of that additional wealth would most likely have been given to Alfred, who in turn could have funded Blake's bat activities.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Unless WB went the Batman INC route next movie, to explain Bruce coming back and there now being multiple Batmen, nobody is going to buy into JOHN BLAKE BATMAN, nor should they. Nolan wanted to end his run in a way that was totally unappetising for anyone to follow and so he did.
I can just imagine Nolan's face going full troll actually saying outloud "well in my film, a Robin did become a Batman". Terrible. Totally terrible shit the bed moment of the movie. Robin John Blake: 3 first names is just too many.
Or Joker murders John Blake
Alfred then assumes the role of Batman...
And then BLAM!... Enter Terry!
Salvor.Hardin
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Offshore bank accounts, son. Romney isn't the only millionaire who knows how to avoid the tax man.
Sho_Nuff82
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Among our group that saw this last night, I have a friend who never gets movies with complex plots, and even she was aware that Ra's was a ghost and Bruce was alive. People ask "why the flashbacks", well, when you're dealing with audiences with short attention spans, you have to be as blunt as possible to make sure they don't leave confused. The Prestige had a flashback montage near the end as well, and many people (on GAF) still didn't understand the ending. For people who ask very obvious questions, all I can really say is "watch it again, this time without throwing popcorn at the screen."
talisayNon
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Ok, my thoughts. I'm a couple days later than most, but whatever. Wall o' Text incomin'
In short, loved it. More than the other 2? That's hard to tell...
First off, I'll start with the prologue. Bane's audio was definitely completely overhauled from the MI:4 preview. And you know what? I honestly think it was a lot better in the earlier version. It was definitely harder to understand, but I think the new one was ADR'd to hell and back. The old one was more frightening and robotic, with the "stiff" voice it had. However, in the breaking the Bat scene, Bane's voice was brilliant. I loved his calm and joyous demeanor as he rips this "legend" apart. The way he says, "I wondered what would break first. Your spirit? Or your body?" with such glee was chilling. And as many have stated, Hardy's acting with his eyes is amazing in this film. They also made Bane to be one hell of a terrifying villain, and it almost seemed to me like they may have stepped too far with the brutality in his murders. It surprised me with how dark things went. Either way, aside from the sometimes over-edited voice, I thought Bane was a great main villain (I also understand why they changed the voice- since everyone was complaining about the old one. I just happened to like the old ones more). There's obviously no comparison to Ledger's performance, but I feel that's unfair to Hardy. He did a good job.
That brings me to the fight scenes. The aforementioned Batman vs. Bane round 1 fight was really really good. It really surprised me that a Nolan film could pull off a fistfight so well. BB and TDK had great atmosphere in their fights, like the dockyard in BB or the parking garage in TDK, but the editing was pretty bad. The Bane fights, both the sewer one and the Wall Street one had excellent editing and choreography. I really liked both of those fights, and even some of the other fistfights, like when Batman saves Blake, had better action in them. Nothing ever reaches the stupidity of the action in the nightclub scene in TDK.
Speaking of action, let's talk about the other major action scenes. The plane one is spectacular, and I'll always remember seeing that one. Can't wait to see more documentaries on how they did that one. Bane's takeover of the city is sufficiently brutal, as I stated, but again, some of the neck snapping just really unnerved me, but it fit his character well, certainly. One question I have though, is uh, what happened to Hines Ward? Did he just run away? It'd be kinda awkward with him on the field during Bane's speech, too...
I think it's kind of strange how the trailers showed a lot of the final fight, with the Bat, the Tumblers and the Bomb Truck. I wish they wouldn't have shown that that fight would happen, but I understand why they did, since the movie's not nearly as actiony as the average movie goer might think. The Bat is something that I didn't like much at all in the trailers, and I was ok with in the movie. With TDK I didn't like the Batpod until I saw it in the movie, then it won me over. The Bat didn't win me over as much, but I was fine with it, and I could feel its weight and momentum, which some others said they couldn't. The roar it made when it first turned on was awesome in IMAX. Speaking of the Batpod, I thought it was way better in this than TDK. The scene with Batman avoiding the cops uses it amazingly.
Bruce was much better in TDKR than TDK. His character arc feels more full, he looks much better in the Batsuit, and the growl is much improved (where's the trigger?!). I liked all of the references in his story to the other two films, to make this a more full cohesive story. One missed moment to me was the "Why do we fall?" moment. I feel like Bruce himself should have said this, but as I said earlier, the climbing the Pit scene may be my favorite from the film. The bats coming out was a really nice touch, and I like how it paralleled his origin story as Batman, but now he's more experienced, now he's facing greater threats. Michael Caine had the best depiction of Alfred that I've seen yet. In fact, I wished Alfred was more like this in the other films. Now, I don't read the comics, but to me, Alfred should be the guy that loves and supports Bruce Wayne, but despises the Batman and what it's costing Bruce and his life. Begins and TDK Alfred seemed too supportive of Batman, and while a lot of the great banter between the two from the other two films wasn't in this one, the emotional side of Alfred was definitely best in this.
Anne Hathaway seemed to steal the show for me in her scenes. Bale and JGL and Caine and the others were great, but Hathaway really sealed the deal for me in the Catsuit. It seemed like her character was rather underdeveloped, and I wish she appeared more in the second half to have more of a "good" turnaround. It's actually pretty similar to Harvey Dent. Great acting, great scenes, but a bit quick of a good/bad switch. I wanted her to feel the ramifications her essentially breaking Bruce herself more. Her fear of Bane seemed very legitimate, though, and I'm glad she got to take revenge on him. I do wish she were in the second half more, but that's probably just because I wanted to see her more. JGL is one of my favorite actors on the rise and I liked Blake's character. Not much to say about him other than he was a really likable character who served well as the audience's eyes when Bruce was gone. I also really liked his reveal at the end.
The other cast just seemed "there". Gordon didn't really do much. It seemed like BB and TDKR really shafted Gordon, whereas he was great in TDK, so that's too bad. The backstory with Gordon in this one (living the lie) seemed more important than what was happening in the film, but Oldman acted well again. I also don't know if I like the decision to let Gordon know about Batman's secret identity, but that scene was another excellent one, so I guess I'm ok with it. The emotion in that scene was top-notch. Modine's character was very meh. I didn't care much about him or his death. Talia served her role in the story well, but she just didn't do much, which I was fine with. She didn't need to be the villain for very long; she got her point across. While I was perfectly fine with her character's role, one thing that was a little annoying to me was that musical cue that plays in all three movies when the villains lose felt really, really out of place when she crashed. I dunno how it could've been implemented better, but it just came out of nowhere instead of building up. I didn't like Liam Neeson's cameo; it came off as too cheesy, but I bet Solo ate that shit up.
The story was probably the weakest of the three, but as I mentioned, the other aspects were great. The bomb MacGuffin seemed to be ripped straight out of Spider-Man 2, and it felt like quite a disconnect from the mostly grounded main plot from TDK. It's no weirder than the microwave emitter, though, and it was handled better here than in BB. I also didn't like most of the flashback scenes in the prison, and there are certainly more plot conveniences than in the other two. This seemed to be more a case of watching the brilliant character development of Bruce, and great acting mentioned above, and then having them be driven by the plot, instead of watching the plot. I liked the whole segment with the ruined Gotham, however. Great set design and visuals.
The ending was, in my opinion, the best part of the film, as is the general consensus. Batman becoming the symbol he always wanted, Bruce escaping his monster, Gordon seeing the Bat Signal once again, I'm getting giddy just writing about it. I just honestly don't see how to wrap things up and have "The Legend End" any way better. It's nice to see a relatively happy ending amidst all of the despair. It's hard for me to say whether the first hour of Begins, the hostages in TDK, or the last 20 minutes in Rises are the best, but all three films are distinct, they're different, and they're great, while all still managing to be part of an overarching story. There's also no way I can grade the three films. In terms of pure theater-going experience, I'd go TDK>TDKR>BB, but all three have their highs and lows: mostly highs. Keep in mind, these are all great movies, so rating them is fairly trivial. A fantastic series, and I don't know if we'll ever see another series - especially a superhero one - like this again.
great writeup bro
also spoiler
"and I don't know if we'll ever see another series - especially a superhero one - like this again" WE WONT
It's not really a fun little joke. It's a serious thematic nod to the idea of Robin. A younger orphan who, with Bruce Wayne's help, eventually carries on Batman's legacy. He is this franchises version of that character.
Is he going to suit up as the boy wonder? No. His name's not Dick Grayson or Tim Drake. He is not specifically "those" characters, but he more or less embodies the same thematic role in the story. Hence the name, "Robin". Whatever he's going to protect Gotham as is kind of irrelevant to the ending. The important thing is that there's someone else similar to Bruce to carry on the legacy, should Gotham need it.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
The Prestige also suffered from some terrible audio levels. I don't know what it is Nolan or his favoured sound guy does, but it is not good.
The Elite
BOSS
So it wasn't just the mix in my theater? Dialogue was lost due to the swelling of the music at times. Absolutely terrible.
he should have just had the secretary say "You should use your real name, Terry Richard Damien Jason Tim Stephanie Jean Paul Blake, it's much nicer"
thecouncil
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cant blame some though.
those end scenes do move pretty fast. if youre not looking at gordon, or youre looking at bruce instead of the person he's sitting with, and youve only seen the movie ONE TIME, i can imagine some missing some of the finer points within these 5 second scenes.
so we should just keep pointing out what people missed and stop acting like the people asking questions suddenly became brain dead after 2.5 hours.
WrenchNinja
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"durr is that supposed to be impprtant"
What else would you be looking at? There is nothing but Gordon and his Christmas morning smile in that shot!
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