Quite liked it. Biggest problem to me was when Alfred was describing his ideal vision of Bruce in the cafe, I immediately knew that Bruce would probably die in the end only to appear in that cafe. A bit too obvious there. Also I'm trying to imagine whether that end cafe scene would be better with not showing Bruce and Selina, just Alfred smiling and nodding to the camera with tears in his eyes.
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longdi
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how will Bane give Bruce permission to die when he is blown to atomic dust?
yeah DKR needed another 20mins imo. After the football scene, everything felt rushed to get to that epilogue. More anarchy onscreen is needed as some said, Gotham should be shown rotting in the 5 months. This would also gave more meat to the Talia twist.
yeah DKR needed another 20mins imo. After the football scene, everything felt rushed to get to that epilogue. More anarchy onscreen is needed as some said, Gotham should be shown rotting in the 5 months. This would also gave more meat to the Talia twist.
Yeah, I thought Schumacher had snuck behind the directing camera for a second.
No, didn't miss that, but compare calm in the streets of gotham after Bane tells the citizens there's a bomb and the only way to stop it is to hunt down and kill the triggerman, to the madness and insanity that went on in The Narrows in Begins.
Sorry, but... the necklace didn't always have a tracking device. He got it back sometime after the fact and had the device put in. its not implicitly stated, but its kind of obvious.
The two cops escorting her in say that she's escaped out of multiple women's prisons and that's why she's in Blackgate.
How do you guys miss so much dialogue? Was the IMAX audio just a lot clearer than some of the showings you guys went to? or were people just checking their phones/not playing attention? no offense to anyone.
Or Selina's prostitute friend tearing shit up along with them
Buddha Beam
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What I don't get is that Bruce was in the jet until at least the last 5 seconds. How the hell did he eject from it without being caught in a 6 mile blast? At the very least, he should be living his last days in Italy, riddled with cancer and radiation poisoning, right?
With how many people seem to think the ending was meant to be vague in the film we got we'd probably have 50 pages of speculation on what Alfred saw.
Messypandas
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thats exactly what would happen though. At the first sign of trouble people burying their head in the sand. The most that would happen against Bane is a facebook group
I think I'm the only one who DIDN'T see that coming. :lol
I think showing Bruce was unneeded, I'd have liked it to be exactly the same as earlier, he sees the girl, this time Selina, and only see the back of Bruce's head, and the camera cuts as he turns.
Unfortunately, everyone would be ripping him for being creatively bankrupt copying the ending of Inception.
Unfortunately, everyone would be ripping him for being creatively bankrupt copying the ending of Inception.
Might be something to do with IMAX because I thought the audio was perfect throughout, didn't miss a thing.
soundscream
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Except he never said that.
He calls the trigerman a hero because they are allowing the people to take back their city from the powerful.
TheKaeptain
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I didn't.
Look at what the Joker did to the people on the boats. Save for one man, nobody had the balls to even hold that detonator despite wanting to blow up the other boat. If the people of Gotham were capable of saving their own city then Batman wouldn't need to exist.
SlowRevolution
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I don't think that would've been necessary - just causes audience confusion for the hell of it. Bruce earned a happy ending.
I had the pleasure of sitting in the vicinity of many cell phone checking folks.
I caught all of that dialog. Didn't miss any of it.
Can we ban him now? The entire first page of the thread features him completely bullshitting the story.
nice. I don't have the balls to tell people off. there were two girls sitting right next to my wife who kept doing it and i wanted to throw their phones down the aisle.
I think it'd be nice, because it's an interesting situation in that it could be just for him to know (say for example, like the whisper in LiT), but as Alfred is the audience surrogate for the series, it'd still be for us.
I think the decision to end on Proto-Bat, not retired Bruce was very unusual.
"God's Beard!"
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If you take the line on top of the r in Drake and slide it into the D, you get Blake. John is another word for Dick.
Mind = Blown
Mind = Blown
Personally I loved the whole "Gotham tears itself apart" angle and how cheap it felt - i think it's intended. Shows precisely why Bane was kicked out from the League of Shadows. Portrays him as one strong and brilliant motherfucker, with just a little less then good understanding of how ordinary people's minds work. Sure, the ordinary joes did some stuff and some of them seemed content with what was going on, but yeah - the majority of what happened in Gotham was Blackgate prisoners plus some of Bane's own mercenaries. When Ra's Al Ghul planned to kill Gotham in the firs movie, he didn't even really care about proving that the city is corrupt, he just wanted it to tear itself apart. Bane seemed like he wanted to make a point, but just to be sure let's release 1000 of prisoners out too.
Crane as the Judge was my favourite part of the whole Blackgate release thing
Crane as the Judge was my favourite part of the whole Blackgate release thing
Salvor.Hardin
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It's odd because he gets some stuff absolutely correct while he's completely wrong about other stuff. It sounds like someone who saw a screening or read the script mentioned a few of the plot points to him. Otherwise I don't know how he'd know stuff like:
It was pretty much known that Marion would play Talia. It was also implied that Bane would fuck Batman up. It's not that hard to create a pretty competent story using the trailers, cast, and assumption that Knightfall, No Man's Land, and Tale of Two Cities heavily influenced the script.
The guy's an attention whore and he explicitly said he should be permabanned if he was wrong.
If you remove "man" from "Batman", you get Bat, which is Batman's vehicle in the movie.
History in general has gone a long way to proving punishment is the only thing stopping society from running wild. We're all hedonists really.
Plasticine
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It's being repossessed after Bruce loses his wealth, so that's probably it.
All what? They just say Fish, Fish, Pasta, Pasta.
CaptainSchwann
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Okay, so after giving myself a few days to process this movie I have a couple of questions:
Did anyone else feel like this wasn't directed by Nolan? I'm a huge Nolan fan and loved this movie as well, but I can't decide if I was really tired or if this movie had bigger glaring flaws than any of his other work.
Examples:
John Blake thing seemed really out of left field for me. I just didn't really feel it.
Exposition seemed like it was practically handed out at times. "Are you talking about the (explains elaborate disappearing device)?" Was it just me?
Actually showing Bruce at the end felt very un-Nolan and I honestly thought he did it due to this being a big movie and the general mass might not get it otherwise. It did reveal what Selina was up to I guess.
Again, I may need to re-watch this (I plan to, great movie), but it just didn't feel like a Nolan flick.
Did anyone else feel like this wasn't directed by Nolan? I'm a huge Nolan fan and loved this movie as well, but I can't decide if I was really tired or if this movie had bigger glaring flaws than any of his other work.
Examples:
John Blake thing seemed really out of left field for me. I just didn't really feel it.
Exposition seemed like it was practically handed out at times. "Are you talking about the (explains elaborate disappearing device)?" Was it just me?
Actually showing Bruce at the end felt very un-Nolan and I honestly thought he did it due to this being a big movie and the general mass might not get it otherwise. It did reveal what Selina was up to I guess.
Again, I may need to re-watch this (I plan to, great movie), but it just didn't feel like a Nolan flick.
Exposition sounds like Inception, showing Bruce sounds not like Inception, and Inception is the only ambiguous film he's made. As twisty as Memento and Prestige are, they spell out what happens
Pagusas
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I felt the opposite, it felt VERY Nolan to me. Everything about it felt like the proper build up from all his previous films. There were some flaws, namely the jump from Bruce's escape to suddenly back to the city, but honestly the only major thing wrong I can say with the film is I felt it was to short! I wanted more, lots more. I wanted to know what was happening with every character. Thats when you know a film has succeeded for you, and thats something I've found Nolan does very well.
CaptainSchwann
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Idk there were a few parts of Memento that were left ambiguous. Prestige was spelled out, but that also wasn't written by him.
Again, I may need to re-watch it. I was running on no sleep at the time of the midnight showing, so I may have just missed a lot.
The Mana Legend
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No.
It's either BUTTERED BUTTERED BISCUITS
Or.
BATTERED BATTERED FISHSTICKS, BATTERED BATTERED FISHSTICKS
SlowRevolution
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He has the will to act.
CaptainSchwann
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That was my exact reason for feeling that the whole Blake thing felt forced. He also wasn't very level-headed.
The only bit of exposition that really leapt out as being stupid, was when Alfred told Bruce 'Bane was trained by Ra's Al Ghul, your mentor'. As if Bruce wouldn't know who he was talking about. Most of the exposition was clunky but necessary.
Training is nothing. Will is everything.
Who is to say that Blake's Batman will be like Bruce's? He may be more of a super-detective than somebody who drives a tank.
Training is nothing. Will is everything.
Who is to say that Blake's Batman will be like Bruce's? He may be more of a super-detective than somebody who drives a tank.
Messypandas
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his punishment must be more severe duckroll
Salvor.Hardin
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This is his greatest post yet:
It's so at odds with the real ending that you'd think he actually knew what happens and made up a 'hilarious' ending for us.
Maybe there's a VR training program waiting for him in the cave. It'll be years before Gotham needs Batman again anyway, if TDKR is anything to go by. He could train for 10 years and come back when criminals least expect it! It's just Bruce Wayne's idea of an ironic joke, by taking what he learned from Talia and Bane! He is going to give criminals the false hope that Batman is indeed dead and gone, and when they least expect it, when they are filled with hope, Blake will crush that hope and put them all behind bars again. Lololol.
What will it be? Death or exile?
BFIB
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My guess is he isn't Batman. He's Nightwing.
But you are correct, he needs some training. I'm sure Gotham has karate classes somewhere.
"So you think the dark is your ally? I was born in it. Molded by it. The first time I saw the light I was already a man. And it was nothing but bright. The shadows betray you because they belong to me."
*crunch*
Could have used a bit more of that sort of Bane. I did like the stuff between him and Talia, especially the camera lingering on Bane's teary face as Talia is narrating their backstory. Made for a great contrast with how Bane was previously depicted, but I think it would have been even more powerful if you had more of Bane interacting with various characters.
I don't think Bane was really trying to make that particular point - it was a ruse. He did have a point to make, but it was only going back to his "there cannot be true despair without hope" speech that he gave to Bruce down in the prison.
Bane was giving the citizens of Gotham false hope - in the form of a fake narrative about the downtrodden finally rising up against their oppressors - before smashing the nuclear hammer down, and he wanted Bruce Wayne to be witness to it to break his spirit. Ultimately, he simply wanted to wipe Gotham out, following in the footsteps of Ra's. Some men just want to watch the Gotham 'splode.
*crunch*
Could have used a bit more of that sort of Bane. I did like the stuff between him and Talia, especially the camera lingering on Bane's teary face as Talia is narrating their backstory. Made for a great contrast with how Bane was previously depicted, but I think it would have been even more powerful if you had more of Bane interacting with various characters.
I don't think Bane was really trying to make that particular point - it was a ruse. He did have a point to make, but it was only going back to his "there cannot be true despair without hope" speech that he gave to Bruce down in the prison.
Bane was giving the citizens of Gotham false hope - in the form of a fake narrative about the downtrodden finally rising up against their oppressors - before smashing the nuclear hammer down, and he wanted Bruce Wayne to be witness to it to break his spirit. Ultimately, he simply wanted to wipe Gotham out, following in the footsteps of Ra's. Some men just want to watch the Gotham 'splode.
Death by exile!!! Hahahaha. You know, the movie had some REALLY funny lines. I was surprised by the level of dry humor in the script. I wonder if it's part of the influence A Tale of Two Cities had on the movie (aside from the really obvious overt influence lol).
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