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Romney: Olympic prep "disconcerting". Cameron: London isn't "middle of nowhere" Utah
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Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Don't worry. People butthurt by that comment will get over it. Some people have a hard time being told the truth. The first reaction is always the "kneejerk". Followed by the "be jerk". Then reality sets in.
Death Dealer
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Yeah it's pretty sad Johnson had his gold stripped and awarded to Lewis, due to Johnson's positive drug test. And then years later, when it came to light that Lewis was juicing too, Johnson said Lewis' medal should be stripped like his was, and Lewis just blew him off like, who cares if I was on steroids, everyone was ? Like he had no idea why Johnson would be pissed off after that info came out.
Cerebral Assassin
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The problem is the only one who was speaking the truth was Cameron, Romney just showed how bad his advisers are.
Death Dealer
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LOL
The security for the London Olympics is going down exactly as we planned all along....
Plans change, shit happens, it's the ability to adapt and think on the fly that defines success, things went to shit and we called in the army.
Try and dig around to spin this however you like but it's not just the Brits taking a chunk out of Romney.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I agree. His actual quote was "who cares I failed a drug test". I used to really look up to the guy as a kid.
Cerebral Assassin
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What do you think the point of having contingency plans is? The problems with security(& potential strike actions) were solved before Romney made his comments.
DrForester
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Romney's comments were perfectly valid. It's certainly a lot harder in a place like London than Salt Lake City, but if stories were out there about 78 of 80 security guards not showing up, I'd be disconcerted too.
Death Dealer
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The plan fell apart due to extremely poor, incompetent, security contracting.
I have no dog in the hunt. I hate Romney's politics and don't like his character either. I'd never vote for him, but most of the spin in this thread is coming from the British govt and its wounded citizens.
And to hold up Carl Lewis, as some champion for criticizing Romney, given his shady history in the Olympics, is funny.
And I think the majority of the American critics of Romney's comments about the disconcerting situation in London, are simply his political enemies, looking to score points.
Kenshin001
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Yeah, but you know what he meant. It's a reflection of how inconsequential the UK has become, a shadow of its former self. The country is small. The part about not making things the rest of the world wants to buy and would have been invaded by Hitler are accurate.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
What's a wazzock?
A twat.
Cerebral Assassin
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So disconcerted you wouldn't watch the news again? They were already replaced by Soldiers who are obviously better suited for that particular role long before his comments, he just comes across as badly informed.
It's more an reflection on how ignorant Romney is.
Because the Americans have a fine history of taking criticism from visiting foreign nationals on the chin and not getting a little pissy about it don't they?
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
But the pejorative refers to a person only? Like I couldn't refer to the female anatomy as a wazzock?
spiderman123
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DAMNNNNNNNN
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
If not having an inhumane empire and turning towards socialist welfare state policies is 'a shadow of its former self' then I'm happy for the UK to be a shadow, thanks.
The part about having been invaded by Hitler if it were joined to mainland Europe is indeed accurate, but irrelevant if intended to be a slight. It's rather like saying the US would have been invaded by Germany if it were very small and between France and Germany. Well sure, it's true, but so what?
Yoda
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He also spilled the beans on a "secret" meeting with the head of MI-6. I'm starting to think this is going to go down as the worst presidential candidate foreign policy tour in U.S. election history, I certainly can't think of one which was worse.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/jul/26/mitt-romney-britain-gaffes
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/jul/26/mitt-romney-britain-gaffes
Napoleonthechimp
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The UK will never again have a competitive manufacturing industry and it is ridiculous to try and compete with other countries on that level when people like Mitt Romney encourage outsourcing. However, our economy has vast potential if it was restructured and likely will have a resurgence given the socioeconomic shift in China and India.
Also, plenty of countries buy up the output of our media industries.
SouthernDragon
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You gotta find it first!
Death Dealer
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Hahaha.
You're basically admitting I'm right.
I'm sure if Cameron came to the US and made some negative remark, many Americans would react badly. But what of it ?
The comment you quoted me on was an observation. And your reply is, you guys would do the same thing too !
everthustodeadbeats
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Hear hear!
Or saying that, if not for the French intervention on their behalf the US war of Independence would never have gone the way it did...
History is funny that way when you change major factors and play fan-fiction.
It's an odd one, maybe it's a tradition from the Cold War?
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
its all in Switzerland so, go get it.
everthustodeadbeats
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He probably wants to meet the people he secretly baptized.
ChiTownBuffalo
Either I made up lies about the Boston Bomber or I fell for someone else's crap. Either way, I have absolutely no credibility and you should never pay any attention to anything I say, no matter what the context. Perm me if I claim to be an insider
I guess the difference here is that Cameron is the sitting PM.
Romney is someone who wants to lead.
Wow, and there was me thinking you might actually be mature and worthy of debate, thank-you for saving me the effort.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Learn your fucking history numb nuts...the UK was never in danger of invasion after September 1940, after the RAF defeated the Luftwaffe.
The fact this took place 18mths BEFORE the US could be arsed to enter WWII has obviously escaped your somewhat limited intelligence.
Fucking Hollywood and their bullshit version of history has (un)educated 3 generations of Americans about WWII.
Kenshin001
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Well I thought his comments were bang on. He said the country was small, doesn't make things the people of the world want and would have been invaded by Hitler had it not been separated from Europe by water. I think some people took umbrage with that comment. The implication seems to be the UK is powerless and inconsequential.
Well, to be fair the Battle of Britain was significant as they needed to cross the channel to get their land units here, if that wasn't the case it could have been much easier.
Fact is it's a fucking stupid argument, as I pointed out above as we are not joined to the continent.
BAE systems are one of the worlds leading arms manufacturers / dealers, we just tend not to advertise it as it's not very PC.
I think the point is that they couldn't use blitzkrieg against the British because there's water in the way.
I mean, it's still a completely irrelevant point. Because there was water in the way Britain had a powerful navy, so Germany couldn't risk a sea attack, and Britain won the ensuing air battle, thus ensuring German would be unable to invade.
Like I said, it's like saying that 'only reason' the US wasn't invaded during WW2 is that they are huge and on the other side of the world to the rest of the fighting. Well yeah, sure, it's true. It's also completely asinine.
Napoleonthechimp
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His points are irrelevant:
Yes the UK is a small country but it didn't stop us from conquering most of the world
Doesn't make things the people of the world want? Nonsense, because we wouldn't have a functioning economy otherwise. We may not have a strong manufacturing industry but then neither does the USA (thanks to people like Romney making a fortune outsourcing).
The Hitler comment: If ifs and buts were candy and nuts then we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
It's obviously intended to mean that the UK is powerless and inconsequential. But it's halfway between not being the slight he thinks it is (I would rather the UK be inconsequential than consequential because of empire), and completely asinine counter-factual statements.
If he'd really wanted to shade the UK he should have pointed out that the UK is, in many important socio-economic metrics, behind both Europe and the USA in important factors such as social mobility and GINI. That would actually be a real, legitimate criticism. Instead he criticised the UK on grounds that only a dipshit could think were important, such as not having the biggest penis or the house with the most number of bathrooms.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Fuck David Cameron.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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All true, but what pisses me off is this constant retort by Americans that they saved us from Hitler and German invasion...they didn't.
We saved ourselves from that, what America did do however, was ensure mainland Europe was liberated.
Without America, the worst that would have happened is that the UK would have 'accepted' German domination of mainland Europe, while we turned the other cheek, minded our own business and kept our Empire.
It's well documented that Hitler would have found such an 'arrangement' the best outcome for all concerned.
That fact that we didn't take the easy route, is something that we dont get enough recognition for.
LOL, the US would have been invaded by Hitler too if it had not been separated from Europe by water. And the US is not really a manufacturing economy these days either. And why does that matter?
Stats be damned, when I see a Tent City in the UK or people living in the Storm Drains I will say we have issues like the US does.
Hitler actively lobbied the UK upper class / Fascists to make sure he didn't have to go to war with us, invading the UK was the last thing he actually wanted (early on at least).
Kenshin001
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The point is had Britain been joined the Germans would have run over the top of them, just like they did to the BEF at Dunkirk when the Brits were looking at a conditional surrender.
As far as BAE goes, he was talking about what the people of the world want, things like computers, cars, cell phones. The UK makes practically nothing people want.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Christ, you really are an ignorant prick.
I am trying to decide if you are trolling ala Korey or just really stupid. you seem to be ignoring the many reasons posted that this is dumb and you should feel dumb.
Weapons and dodgy financial markets are in very high demand actually.
Death Dealer
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If Hitler successfully consolidated his power in mainland Europe, and the US stayed neutral, I think Nazi Germany would have eventually come after Britain too. I'd like to see the documentation you refer to. But it's not something that can be proven. It's hypothetical.
Yeah the Olympics will be entertaining.
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