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All of Warren Ellis' Thunderbolts in one Ultimate TPB. I saw it mentioned here before in regards to Nextwave. Definitely worth reading, and probably the only good things Warren Ellis has done at Marvel, though i still haven't gotten around to reading his Wolverine Not Dead Yet story.

Ellis' Ultimate Galactus Trilogy was quite enjoyable. I'd recommend it.
 

NawidA

Banned
BPRD Plague of Frogs vol 1 omnibus, $18, 48% off?
Get it!

BPRD is the best ongoing comic series of the past 10 years. Outstanding art and writing all the way through. The beginning is a little rough because it's sort of the fallout with Hellboy (Hellboy leaves the BPRD is all you need to know), but the third storyline in that omnibus (Plague of Frogs) should win you over fully.
 
There's some select issues of Secret Avengers Ellis did that turned out to be quite good. The David Aja-drawn issue is one of the best Marvel put out last year. The Michael Lark-drawn one is very good as well.

Stay far away from his Astonishing though
 

Owzers

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There's some select issues of Secret Avengers Ellis did that turned out to be quite good. The David Aja-drawn issue is one of the best Marvel put out last year. The Michael Lark-drawn one is very good as well.

Stay far away from his Astonishing though

I think reading 1.5 trades of his Astonishing run, Ghost Box and something else, has tarnished my Ellis memory outside of Nextwave/Thunderbolts, which i liked so much they pierced through the hate cloud. I read and liked both of those Secret Avengers issues you mentioned and completely forgot about them. Nothing but:

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Get it!

BPRD is the best ongoing comic series of the past 10 years. Outstanding art and writing all the way through. The beginning is a little rough because it's sort of the fallout with Hellboy (Hellboy leaves the BPRD is all you need to know), but the third storyline in that omnibus (Plague of Frogs) should win you over fully.

Listen to this man.
 
I think I lost a lot of respect for Tom Morello after hearing his solo music. It was so cringingly bad and obvious, it made me think less of his intelligence. So reading the first issue of Orchid the idea that the writer was heavy handed kept jumping out at me and I couldn't enjoy it at all.

So for me it's not that it was buried by the big two, its just that I didn't like it :\

I can relate.

It's how I like my Grant Morrison Vertigo and my Grant Morrison DCU, and never the twain shall the two meet.

Hopefully his retirement will allow him to recharge his creative juices and give up the cult of personality and navel gazing that's shitting up his body of work.

I never took the RATM knuckleheads seriously. Raging against what machine while laughing all the way to the bank? How about those people of the Sun coming back around again? How's that going for you? LOL LOL LOL

Did anyone read that Black Kiss 2 book this week? iFanboy gave it POTW so I gave it a try and yup, that's western tentacle rape. Neat, I guess! It was artfulloy executed at least. And I'm always saying the industry should treat sex with more respect...

I'm interested, but never read Black Kiss so pass for now.
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
I can relate.

It's how I like my Grant Morrison Vertigo and my Grant Morrison DCU, and never the twain shall the two meet.

Hopefully his retirement will allow him to recharge his creative juices and give up the cult of personality and navel gazing that's shitting up his body of work.

I never took the RATM knuckleheads seriously. Raging against what machine while laughing all the way to the bank? How about those people of the Sun coming back around again? How's that going for you? LOL LOL LOL



I'm interested, but never read Black Kiss so pass for now.

It doesn't seem to be linked to a prior story at all, it's just sex + monsters basically. Lots of cock, which was very surprising.

And yeah, I'm really looking forward to what Morrison will do untethered from the capes. I like his approach to superhero work but even I'm thinking that he's said all he's going to say for a little while. He's a writer with a lot of humanity (what was that issue of the Invisibles, Last Man Standing or something? And #10 of ASS, obviously), it'll be interesting to see what he can do with more human books.

Although I'm getting heavy Transmet vibes from Happy thanks to Darrick, and I was never too keen on that book. So, we'll see I guess.
 

Ephidel

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All my personal dubiousness aside, you seriously need to start framing your concepts in some way that doesn't derive itself from existing works. It sucks the life right out of them.
 

Gabroni

Banned
Creativity is often held back by the greedy men up top who want get rich, quick schemes

Your doubtfulness is understandable, hell I even can barely believe it (I kept pinching myself when I was in the interviews to make sure I wasn't in some sort of manic depressive coma)
 

Viewt

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It's collected in a large trade paperback.

Planet Hulk is awesome. Definitely get it. If you want a nice, long run to collect, there's nothing more definitive than Peter David's 12-year stint. They're collected in "Hulk Visionaries" TPBs, so you can start with Vol. 1 if you like.
 
All my personal dubiousness aside, you seriously need to start framing your concepts in some way that doesn't derive itself from existing works. It sucks the life right out of them.

Your doubtfulness is understandable, hell I even can barely believe it (I kept pinching myself when I was in the interviews to make sure I wasn't in some sort of manic depressive coma)

I can agree with Ephidel, and the litany of companies you're pitching to and the lack of awareness in their publishing history is a tell.

This line right here grinds my gears with it's delightful youthful ignorance:

Sucker Punch: Great portfolio but we do other games besides Sly Cooper (NO YOU DON'T ):< ) please include inFAMOUS style work as well (ugggggggggggggggggh)

May not be your cup of tea, but if you're not willing to acknowledge the talent fueling these games, then you leave yourself at a disadvantage. I hate Suckerpunch because they stole one of my favorite cartoonists of all time from me with a decent day's pay. Say hello to Keron Grant:

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Yes, you won't acknowledge Suckerpunch publishes anything other than Sly Cooper. That's great, and you'll also note that all of the fantastic design work Keron Grant (and pretty much every other concept artist in the video game industry) gets lost under the veneer of shit that is whatever game engine is being used to represent all of his fantastic art.

The question here is - could you take Keron Grant in an art/career fight? That's the question every neophyte needs to ask himself.

I mentioned it last month, in my years on GAF I've seen many art school kids step up and talk a big game, talk big shit, and then they post their work and all I saw was ego and hubris on parade. Yep! They paid some skilled professionals who need a steady gig to coddle and usher them through our American educational profiteering machine, and they got shat out into the world with zero context and a massive chip on their shoulder.

Creativity is often held back by the greedy men up top who want get rich, quick schemes

Yet you're so proud of pitching to DC Comics?

Context man, context.
 

Owzers

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Invincible!!!!!!!!! Issue 93: I liked what they did with Robot and Monster Girl, though it felt a bit "too little too late" in storytelling terms. Referencing events all the way back to issue #3? Crazy....but fun.
 

MC Safety

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Looking for some good Hulk titles/omnibuses to read, please help.

The Peter David Hulks are great and are reprinted in a series of trade paperbacks. David also was fortunate enough to work with some great artists during his Hulk stint: Todd McFarlane, Jeff Purves, Dale Keown, etc.
 

Gabroni

Banned
Yet you're so proud of pitching to DC Comics?

Context man, context.

Vertigo not DC (I don't really give a crap about DC but...you can't choose your parents)

I know I sound ignorant when came to the gaming side. That's actually because I don't play video games (any more) but am interested in the field regardless. I think the last gaming news I read about was about Scribblenauts and Neogaf. I usually watch my brother play so I mostly absorb the art direction and level design aspect rather than the gaming exp. So yeah I get that and my lack of portfolio (haven't updated my site in months--combination of vacation, day job, and hospital time) growing a doubt flower but I can assure you that I am definitely not one of those no talent hacks who dick around and hire someone else to do all their shit while they ride on a bosa nova wave of Nick Simmons assholery.

My site won't be up until Sept. but I should have some stuff up on my dA and tumblr by the end of the week (shitty scanners are the pits when it comes to scanning large bodies and quantities of work).

Until then I guess
 

Dan

No longer boycotting the Wolfenstein franchise
The Take Out Bandit said:
Yes, you won't acknowledge Suckerpunch publishes anything other than Sly Cooper. That's great, and you'll also note that all of the fantastic design work Keron Grant (and pretty much every other concept artist in the video game industry) gets lost under the veneer of shit that is whatever game engine is being used to represent all of his fantastic art.
Going further, it's not like Sucker Punch has been doing both Sly and inFamous. They haven't done anything with Sly since 2005! Kinda stupid to ignore the studio's last 7 years of work.

Vertigo not DC (I don't really give a crap about DC but...you can't choose your parents)
This doesn't even make a lick of sense considering the publishing history and mission of Vertigo...

but I can assure you that I am definitely not one of those no talent hacks who dick around and hire someone else to do all their shit while they ride on a bosa nova wave of Nick Simmons assholery.
That's not what he was saying at all.

Gabroni said:
The world looks like Tekkonkinkreet handles action like SUDA 51 and Viewtiful Joe

Na Na Batman (think campy 70s Batman meets SUDA 51 and Viewtiful Joe...but it's ultra violent)

the other is Satoshi Kon style Batman

Since you use so many reference points interchangeably despite being significantly different, it sounds like you're just pitching some generic anime-style Batman without a clear direction.
 

Jedeye Sniv

Banned
I'm not sure if I'm following this Gabroni conversation properly, what's going on here? Are you just brag posting, or are you looking for feedback etc? Are you an artist? Published? Can you post some stuff from your portfolio? Might shut a lot of us up if you've got the skills to back up the arrogant talk...

To go with what you're saying though, I really really can't see Vertigo publishing a Batman book at all.
 
Well I guess it's time that I'm writing a story called Extreme Halcyon: Watchmen meets Liefeld esque characters with themes stolen from Sandman plus sexual frustration meets Toy Story. Pitchin to Malibu Comics tomorrow.
 
I'm not sure if I'm following this Gabroni conversation properly, what's going on here? Are you just brag posting, or are you looking for feedback etc? Are you an artist? Published? Can you post some stuff from your portfolio? Might shut a lot of us up if you've got the skills to back up the arrogant talk...

To go with what you're saying though, I really really can't see Vertigo publishing a Batman book at all.

Yeah, I've always thought his posts didnt make much sense. I thought he was trying to make jokes


^^ haha at above
 
Vertigo not DC (I don't really give a crap about DC but...you can't choose your parents)

You can, and you ought to tread very carefully in an industry with a long and storied history of treating it's talent poorly.

I would suggest going to conventions and chatting with old pros. Listen to podcasts like Word Balloon, Sidebar, and Inkstuds to hear the free knowledge industry veterans drop.

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My site won't be up until Sept. but I should have some stuff up on my dA and tumblr by the end of the week (shitty scanners are the pits when it comes to scanning large bodies and quantities of work).

I look forward to checking it out.

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Brother Professional Series MFC-J6510DW

The Brother is a better deal since it supports large format scans (comic pages are generally 11x17) and you can print cyan pencils for inking on the bristol board with it.

Well I guess it's time that I'm writing a story called Extreme Halcyon: Watchmen meets Liefeld esque characters with themes stolen from Sandman plus sexual frustration meets Toy Story. Pitchin to Malibu Comics tomorrow.

Hey now, let's keep it above board.

As annoying as Turdie Birdie is, at least he's making comics.

My Name is Ed has comics out there.

Less shit talking, more comic making.

The first step to getting your foot in the door - MAKE COMICS!
 
You can, and you ought to tread very carefully in an industry with a long and storied history of treating it's talent poorly.

I would suggest going to conventions and chatting with old pros. Listen to podcasts like Word Balloon, Sidebar, and Inkstuds to hear the free knowledge industry veterans drop.

Just
Remember
Nobody
Starts
At
The
Top


I look forward to checking it out.

Mustek ScanExpress A3 USB 2400 Pro Flatbed Scanner

Brother Professional Series MFC-J6510DW

The Brother is a better deal since it supports large format scans (comic pages are generally 11x17) and you can print cyan pencils for inking on the bristol board with it.



Hey now, let's keep it above board.

As annoying as Turdie Birdie is, at least he's making comics.

My Name is Ed has comics out there.

Less shit talking, more comic making.

The first step to getting your foot in the door - MAKE COMICS!

I know brah, your preview posts had motivated me. Just needed one last hurrah.
 
Made my Cavewoman run yesterday. :3

Also picked up Fatima: The Blood Spinners #1 and Hoax Hunters #1.

I need to stop being lazy and try pitching something to Budd Root for Cavewoman. The series needs to get back to more dinosaurs and apes.
 

Owzers

Member
Dan Slott twitter:

with Marvel NOW everything that happened yesterday and the year before STILL happened. All of those comics still &#8220;count.&#8221; The Marvel NOW initiative is about what happens next&#8230;

What you&#8217;re getting with Marvel NOW is Marvel&#8217;s most high profile creators kicking off new, epic runs on Marvel&#8217;s biggest characters.

This isn&#8217;t a fly-by-night deal. You&#8217;re not going to see a creator on a book for four or six issues and then&#8211; whoosh&#8211; a new creative team gets slapped in. What you&#8217;re getting here is a bunch of writers and artists who are committed not just to exploding out of the gate with big, bold new ideas&#8211; but to also make those the starts of legendary runs.

That&#8217;s Marvel NOW!

My mind is full of "what?" Can't wait for legendary runs where artists stay on 3 issues at a time. Random picture from the internet time:

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Dan Slott twitter:



My mind is full of "what?" Can't wait for legendary runs where artists stay on 3 issues at a time. Random picture from the internet time:

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Yeah loved what Axel said when they aren't throwing shit to the wall like DC. When there creative teams have been more consistent there isn't even a comparison. Still waiting for Zeb Wells and Joe mad to return to Avenging Spiderman. These artists will be on the series long enough to be on the coming months solicits when the first issue is released.
 

Owzers

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Omnibus collections will have to say "Various" on the cover to describe the artist, if being honest. But i'm also reminded of Uncanny X-Men relaunching to tell a five or so issue story before blending into an AvX tie-in, then being relaunched or canceled. Or Jason Aaron's legendary Incredible Hulk...two arc run...with various artists after hyping Silvestri.
 
When there creative teams have been more consistent there isn't even a comparison.

There artists, and most importantly writers, have been more consistent. So there is a comparison, and one that reflects Marvel more favorably. Wasn't there a NuDC book that changed writers midissue?

lol
 
Omnibus collections will have to say "Various" on the cover to describe the artist, if being honest. But i'm also reminded of Uncanny X-Men relaunching to tell a five or so issue story before blending into an AvX tie-in, then being relaunched or canceled. Or Jason Aaron's legendary Incredible Hulk...two arc run...with various artists after hyping Silvestri.

How about Ryan Stegman's amazing artwork on Scarlet Spider...that he did for five issues before bailing out. Or those four issues Tony Moore did for Venom before not drawing another issue for a year. Marcos Martin did 3 issues on DD before running off to creator-owned land, Paolo Rivera only 3 more then that before doing the same. Hickman/Ribic was pretty fun on Ultimates until they decided they were better then that universe.

So I WANT these to be long-term plans. I WANT David Aja to be on an ongoing, and Tony Moore to stick around Deadpool, or Esad Ribic on Thor but...at this point, I'll believe that shit when I see it.
 

sazabirules

Unconfirmed Member
Snyder's work continues to impress me. I just finished the first issue of American Vampire and can't wait to read more of it.
 

Owzers

Member
Guys is Jean back yet? *whines*Why noooooot?

What happened to you, Marvel? You used to have my redhead needs met.

Did you read about Jean coming back in All New X-Men....as a teenager traveling through time to the present day along with other people?
 

Ephidel

Member
Marvel will pull a bait and switch with O5 being the O5 from First X Men.
See now, I don't plan on reading First X-Men because as a retcon it baffles me and as a story it doesn't interest me, and I don't really think I'll be interested in Bendis' young Scotts and Jeans... but the "First X-Men" team is nuts enough that I'd actually find it amusing to see the current universe react to having younger Sabretooth and Mags dumped on them and proclaiming themselves the first. And as a bonus, the "First X-Men" continuity is likely going to be ignored anyway, so nobody would care about the paradoxical ramifications of sending the weirdo team back in time afterwards.
 

devenger

Member
Did you read about Jean coming back in All New X-Men....as a teenager traveling through time to the present day along with other people?

I'm sure they'll find a way to explain it, but Bendis keeps saying 60's Jean. I don't understand how this works with the ole Marvel sliding time scale.

If Jean is from the 60's that makes our current Scott pushing 70, right?

I mean, the time traveling X-men have to be from 1990 or it doesn't make sense.
 
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