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It's her very essence. Her aura displeases me.
Also is there any reason why no insiders podcast for this episode? Those are like...the best.
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Also is there any reason why no insiders podcast for this episode? Those are like...the best.
Spotless Mind
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That's the only way i can get through a single page of this thread without facepalming like a hundred times.
Captain_Spanky
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Do people not realise that the reason she fucked Ted was to regain the tiniest shred of power from a man who had systematically done everything he could to not only lie to her at every turn, break her trust, but also minimize the power she had in their relationship. Come on. If cheating was ever justified that was it.
metalslimer
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Just watched this episode. Holy shit....how can anyone call Skylar's acting bad is beyond me. Also anyone sympathetic to Walt is a complete asshole. They are literally showing domestic abuse now. I find it hard to believe anyone with a soul couldn't feel sorry for someone being abused like that. I wonder would people still be talking about how much Skylar sucks if Walt had actually gone all the way and just hit her.
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There's so much foreshadowing in this episode im too scared.. i really don't want Walt dying this series, it always ruins series for me knowing a character will be axed.
Yeah, that was a great comback on her behalf. Skyler finally was able to speak her mind but even then, it wasn't enough to stop walt.
the sense of tension in this show is remarkable. It's just a matter of time before everything goes
Oh totally, this show just keeps on delivering. This is my favorite episode of the season, and might even top crawl space as my favorite episode ever. Skyler needs to regain control or gtfo before the 'danger' comes after walt.
This episode better be nominated for like 10 emmy's. Everything about it was awesome.
Captain_Spanky
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Semantics, or are you meaning something? Ugh, let me rephrase that. Are you arguing my use of the word cheating, or debating the action?
They were separated when she took a ride on Beneke's muffler.
She used her ridealong to enrage Walt, but she didn't set out to bend pipe just to get back at Walt, she wanted the mandrel bend regardless.
Really, the consumption of drugs is a matter of personal responsibility. The one thing people are born with that is well and truly their's is their body. In my view, people should be allowed to put whatever they want into their bodies, including killing themselves if they want.
So that never bothered me so much, because these people are going to get drugs one way or another, and as Gale put it, at least they know with their product people are getting what they pay for.
Everything else, though, :thumbs up:
Yeah Anna Gunn's performance was outstanding. That whole scene was just chilling from start to finish.
Yup, agree. She always was pretty good in the show. Problem is that in the first 2 seasons she never really was given many moments to really stand out. She got some in 3 (and it's still brought up in every HATE HER LOL! discussion), barely any in 4 but I am glad she is so much in focus in S5. Shame it still is not good enough for many people. She showed her fear perfect with so few words which to me is outstanding acting (untill the last episode of course where she had tons of lines for her char).
Now that I think of it, I can't really recall any terrible actor. Perhaps Eyebrows guy but yeah, so little screen time that it was not annoying.
Captain_Spanky
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Really? I must have forgot that detail. I would never argue that she'd wanted Ted before, but I think the timing marks it very specifically as a fuck you/power play to Walt. And I don't blame her one bit.
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Buckethead
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You feel bad for Skylar because you project what it'd be like in that terrible situation in real life but then you remember Skylar herself is kind of a bitch and a piece of shit, so it balances out and your sympathy runs dry.
Both Walt and Skylar are bad people.
Jesse is the only one I really like.
Both Walt and Skylar are bad people.
Jesse is the only one I really like.
Captain_Spanky
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Why on earth is she a bitch?
Whenever i hear this argument I just cringe. The fact that someone else would do a bad thing in no way justifys one self doing a bad thing. Even if one is better at it, you´re still directly profiting from other peoles misery.
And yes the skylar hate is really tiresome. She´s a flawed human being, no doubt. But the shit she´s going through is devestating. For me this episode was more intense then crawl space. When she was satnding by the pool I knew she was done, and their realtionship was destroyed. I wonder when Walt will realize skylar truly deeply hates him. He seems incredibly dillusional.
Also: I loved the shot of syklar chain smoking. Grasping to the cigarette because it´s the only thing that gives her any sense of control over her life and her future.
Man, I´ve never been so excited for an shows finale in my life. And I trust them to deliver.
The hate for Skylar was a on running joke for so long that at this point i can't tell if it's true anymore.
But I agree with you on jesse. Fav in the show since season 4
Mike is awesome (In a tv show. Still does messed up shit, but damn cool. Sociopath.)
Hank is awesome.
Junior´s a good kid.
UnluckyKate
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For the people wondering, I'm 99.9% sure that the watch is a Tag Heuer Monaco :
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Doing drugs is an inherently morally neutral thing to do. it has no value one way or the other. It is simply how one chooses to treat their own body, and as one's body is literally the one and only thing on this planet that a person owns, I feel it is the individual's right to decide how they treat what they were born with. That includes shooting themselves in the head if they want. If some people do drugs in moderation, it'll simply be an enjoyable activity that some people do and then move on. I know many people who are fully functioning members of society who dabble every other week in this or that, and their life is completely unaffected (and statistics suggest this is actually the norm rather than the exception).
Doing drugs does not necessarily lead to 'misery.' It leads to misery for some people, but so does skydiving or bungie jumping or base jumping (percentage wise, more people die from base jumping than any drug on the market). Are we going to say the makers of the equipment these individuals use are profiting from misery? These people are in a pursuit of a high scientists of all kind admit is equivalent to drug use. And it's similarly dangerous.
I respect those that disagree with this view, but I doubt I could ever understand it. If you really want to give up your right to do whatever you want to your body, that's up to you. I, however, came into this world owning my body, and I owned this body in every action I commit in this life, and I hope to die on terms I am happy with. If that means my heart explodes because I made a bad choice, that's my bad choice to make. There's nothing morally wrong about such an act.
I've listend to the very last part of the episode a few times (where the shot keeps zooming in, and the watch is ticking), and I'm pretty sure I hear a camera shutter. About 15 pages back, people were theorizing that it could've been a gun cocking, or something like that, but I'm wondering if anyone else hears a camera shutter.
The physical act of using drugs may be morally neutral, but the things people do when they are addicted clearly are not. The episode with the meth addicts and the neglected little boy springs to mind immediately. I think it's only morally neutral if you can ignore the context of the environment of the drug user.
Trent Strong
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I literally own my computer, clothing, golf clubs, etc.
I think there's an argument to be made that there are systemic issues that lead to drug use that is not about bodily autonomy but about perpetuating cycles that disadvantage large groups of people, usually along socioeconomic lines. What exactly is the right thing to do about that (if anything), though, is definitely up for debate. I do think that Walt is contributing to these cycles, though, and whether those individuals are exercising valid freedom or not is irrelevant to that point.
That's not what I meant in the sense of the word I was using 'owning.' Other people build those clubs to certain specifications, you don't have control over it. Other people build the chips for the computer and at best you get to decide how to put it together for your PC. Other people sew your computer, and you get to decide if you like this outfit or that. Anyone can make a law changing this, or prohibiting that, or limiting this. Ownership is a fleeting concept in the sense that it may be here tomorrow, and changed the next day based on the whims of political bodies or parents or spouses or whatever.
With your body, every action you do is well and fully controlled by you. You decide how to live, you decide how to die. If you do not own your body, you own nothing.
PastorOfMuppets
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I really don't get the Skylar hate. She found out her husband was manufacturing meth while lying to her about how he was paying for the cancer treatments all the while, he was turning down everyone's offer for help. That seems like a legit deal breaker in a relationship for me - but what do I know.
you know everything apparently since it'd be a deal breaker for 99.999999999999% of married individuals.
Pastor you are right
metalslimer
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Agreed. Although cooking meth is still the last thing I falt Walt for in all the bad things he's done. If he was just a meth cook, I could probably understand him a lot more. I know a lot of drug dealers, and they aren't evil people at all.
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most people know enough to avoid marrying a skyler to begin with. So it's a non-issue.you know everything apparently since it'd be a deal breaker for 99.999999999999% of married individuals.
Pastor you are right
offer something else for discussion.
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pfft. I was doing it before it was cool though.
PastorOfMuppets
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I actually have a real world analogy for Skyler.
In high school, my friend's dad started distributing heroin after being fired from his job. He was never caught but when his wife found out, instant divorce. Despite all the cash that was coming in, she filed for divorce almost immediately and got full custody of the kids. He had an interesting front in that he got a job as a taxi driver to make his deliveries. I don't know whatever became of the father but he continued in the trade for quite a while apparently, enough that his son didn't have to worry about college or getting a job in high school.
According to the logic of some of the people in this thread though, the wife would be the bitch in that situation.
In high school, my friend's dad started distributing heroin after being fired from his job. He was never caught but when his wife found out, instant divorce. Despite all the cash that was coming in, she filed for divorce almost immediately and got full custody of the kids. He had an interesting front in that he got a job as a taxi driver to make his deliveries. I don't know whatever became of the father but he continued in the trade for quite a while apparently, enough that his son didn't have to worry about college or getting a job in high school.
According to the logic of some of the people in this thread though, the wife would be the bitch in that situation.
Cuban Legend
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All these Skylar Sympathizers and Skylar Defense Force needs to have a union meeting or some shit because you're arguments for Walt being the bigger evil as of Ep 4 are hilariously weak.
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Just lock the thread, this is all disgusting.
Seriously..
Infinite Justice
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I guess this is the usual for BB threads on here?
Either walt is completely 100% evil or Skyler Sucks?
As for Skyler i'm just apathetic to the character, there is nothing there for me to really be moved about.
I'm more interested in the others like Jesse, Walt Jr, Hank, Mike, Andrea, Brock, Saul, Huell and even Marie when Hank was acting liking a douchebag to her to while he was being depressed.
Either walt is completely 100% evil or Skyler Sucks?
As for Skyler i'm just apathetic to the character, there is nothing there for me to really be moved about.
I'm more interested in the others like Jesse, Walt Jr, Hank, Mike, Andrea, Brock, Saul, Huell and even Marie when Hank was acting liking a douchebag to her to while he was being depressed.
I feel like there´s nothing I could say that you wouldn´t have heard before, your words seem to indicate that you had this discussion multiple times.
I think some people need to be protected from themselves in times of crysis. And I am willing, for example, to give up my right to bear arms so a depressed person won´t have a loaded pistol in his drawer when his girlfriend breaks up with him. Obviously the issue of drugs is way more complicated, but I think you "get" my point.
Trent Strong
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I was just busting your chops. I do find your extreme libertarian views on some things a little disconcerting though. (Also, I do most of my computer sewing myself.)
What did Skyler do in Ep 4? Step on a kitten?
Cuban Legend
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I agree, Skylars defending her kids with herself is a bit weak for her smart-and-intelligent thought-out personality.
It's not anywhere as deep as Jessie or Mike's development... It seems a bit weak, almost comparable to Lydia's character developing out of desperation and despair. Only Lydia has balls to order hits on mikes guys while Skylar thinks up braniac ideas like going for a swim, lol.
she be trying to take away walt's children, the only thing that matters to him next to sklylar and cooking.
remember during the divorce, he didnt care so much about sky as much as he wanted to keep regular contact in the lives of his children. Walt looked about ready to smack a bitch when I saw them arguing.
faceless007
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It was completely true too. Despite the "I'm the one who knocks" speech being used in all the promos and fan mash ups, in the context of where Walt was at at the time he was clearly overcompensating and trying to mask how vulnerable he really was because his ego couldn't take it.
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Skyler has no personality anymore. Everything she does is a reflection of how Walt effectively ruined his family, despite his delusions. There is nothing to expand on anymore, because she is seriously at a dead end.
KrymynalChylde
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Jesse is the only remotely "likeable" main character on the show.
I LOVE Walt but I see why people think he's evil etc...and it's certainly hard to defend his actions.
Can't stand Skylar but I can sympathize with what she's going through and why she's like that.
Hank annoys the fuck out of me, I hope that rumour of him being a cartel double agent are true, that would be so awesome!
I LOVE Walt but I see why people think he's evil etc...and it's certainly hard to defend his actions.
Can't stand Skylar but I can sympathize with what she's going through and why she's like that.
Hank annoys the fuck out of me, I hope that rumour of him being a cartel double agent are true, that would be so awesome!
I have had this discussion a lot haha. I'm pretty transparent I guess
I suppose this is where philosophical differences come into play. I don't really think people need to be protected from "themselves." I believe that others need to be protected from people who would choose to branch out and hurt people who aren't themselves alone. I believe there needs to be sensible gun control lows, but not that people shouldn't retain the right to own them - I trust most people to use them the right way, and most people do. I'm simply not for imposing laws on people's right to express their individualism in ways which are generally only affecting their own person. If that person becomes an addict and eventually dies from that action, that was his choice. He knew the risks when he started, almost everyone does in this day and age. Yet that's the road they decided to go down.
But, yeah, agree to disagree. This type of philosophical difference is common and completely understandable.
Haha, I mean sew your clothes lol. But yeah computer sewing is some advanced shit, next level over Quantum Computing
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I'm about to go find a pool to go drown in after reading some of these posts.
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