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Republican Senate Nominee: Victims Of ‘Legitimate Rape’ Don’t Get Pregnant

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Romney campaign disagrees with Akin rape comments

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-campaign-disagrees-akin-rape-comments-015320989.html

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is distancing himself from a Missouri congressman who says a woman's body "has ways" to prevent pregnancy after rape.

Romney's campaign on Sunday said Romney and his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, disagree with Todd Akin's comments. Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul says Romney's administration would not oppose abortion in cases of rape.
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Romney/Ryan disagreement is thstill the most relevant, practical criticism whether there is hypocrisy or not.

Both sides of the aisle (and particularly the Republican aisle) have people who will agree with and defend whatever the party says. This becomes impossible, however, when someone within the party criticizes the statements; then these automatic yeasayers have to choose between two Republicans, and the choice becomes much less obvious for them.
 
VanMardigan said:
Except it does not.
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Um.

Leviticus 11:9-12 said:
These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
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And before you go all new covenant.

Matthew 5:17-18 said:
Think not that I am come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any wise pass from the law till all be fulfilled.
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Now abomination may not mean hell bound but it sure does not sound nice.
 
Kusagari said:
It's impossible to know what Romney thinks. He seems to flipflop between allowing it and not all the time.

Ryan is definite bullshit, though. He's always been adamantly against it in all cases except the mothers life endangered.
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Yeah, that is the way I see it as well.
 
http://www.kansas.com/2012/08/19/2455756/rep-akin-pregnancy-from-rape-is.html

Probably old but it looks like Akin is flip-flopping on the whole if you got pregnant then you must have not been really raped stance.

POS said:
"In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it's clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year,"
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Is 'off-the-cuff' the new 'I'm sorry that you were offended by my remarks'?
 
I don't know what to think if Missouri voters elect this guy.

That question about why GAF leans to the left? This is a pretty good answer... the GOP is the anti-science party and the fact that there are people like this LEADING polls to be a part of the US Senate is emblematic of the problem. The fact that the GOP is up in arms about a Biden gaffe and not demanding an apology from Akin is absolutely hilarious.

It's impossible to even negotiate with people like this. That being said, this ought to encourage millions in this country that, despite a lack of education, you too can run for political office.
 
i-Lo said:
Also, morning after pills are not the hot topic debate right now but after closing down abortion clinics and demonizing Planned Parenthood, I wonder if and when they may become issues of morality in the minds of republicans...
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It's already an issue for Todd Akin:

“As far as I’m concerned, the morning-after pill is a form of abortion, and I think we just shouldn’t have abortion in this country,” Akin said Wednesday, the day after his victory in the Republican primary, in an interview with Kansas City radio host Greg Knapp.

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Knapp asked again: “So just to be clear, though, you would like to ban the morning-after, totally for everyone?”

“Yeah,” Akin said. “I think that’s a form of abortion, and I don’t support it.”
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Oblivion said:
And is Akin the confirmed contender against McCaskill?
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Pretty much. He won the primary earlier this month, although he has until this Tuesday to drop out of the race. Given the defiant tone in that press release, I predict he won't drop out.
 
Republicans would probably hate it, but there really should be a basic logic test before you qualify for office. Being a popular individual over a certain age is not enough any more.

Funny enough, these are the same people who try to enact ID checks at voting booths XD
 
I have a hard time taking the Rep. party seriously when the people representing them are saying things like this. Like, every new story about some dumbshit thing a politician says makes me wonder how this person is in any position of power or potential to be.

People need to not be so blindly voting just because someone's name has an -R beside it. Politicians are getting legitimately scary/nuts and they really need to be shut down. Set an example that this should not be what we are basing a political party on.

Like seriously? This guy should have no political future AT ALL after saying something as offensive and outright full of lies and insanity as that.
 
And to think I was just watching Meet the Press this morning where Giuliani was lamenting that Republicans are more scrutinized for their comments. Biden's gaffes don't seem so bad as the campaign season heats up.
 
Four_Chamber said:
I don't know what to think if Missouri voters elect this guy.

That question about why GAF leans to the left? This is a pretty good answer... the GOP is the anti-science party and the fact that there are people like this LEADING polls to be a part of the US Senate is emblematic of the problem. The fact that the GOP is up in arms about a Biden gaffe and not demanding an apology from Akin is absolutely hilarious.

It's impossible to even negotiate with people like this. That being said, this ought to encourage millions in this country that, despite a lack of education, you too can run for political office.
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Zaphod said:
Um.



And before you go all new covenant.



Now abomination may not mean hell bound but it sure does not sound nice.
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Abomination in that passage is clearly referring to the shellfish and stuff, not to people who eat them. And that book doesn't have much of a concept of eternal damnation (In the Old Testament, God's punishments generally occur in the present world). The New Testament explicitly undoes Kosher law anyways, which is why Christians can eat pork.

Acts 10:9-15 said:
About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
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Mark 7:18-19 said:
And [Jesus] said to them, "Are you so lacking in understanding also? Do you not understand that whatever goes into the man from outside cannot defile him,
because it does not go into his heart, but into his stomach, and is eliminated?"
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You probably should have gone with a passage about homosexuality or something.
 
Man, there are no words. Contrary to what knee jerk reaction gaf believes, this guy isn't representative of the right. But still, this scumbag is certainly making a case for supporting the left. Keep digging that hole GOP.
 
sonicmj1 said:
Abomination in that passage is clearly referring to the shellfish and stuff, not to people who eat them. And that book doesn't have much of a concept of eternal damnation (In the Old Testament, God's punishments generally occur in the present world). The New Testament explicitly undoes Kosher law anyways, which is why Christians can eat pork.

You probably should have gone with a passage about homosexuality or something.
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The two passages clearly contradict. How can he say that not one bit of the law will be undone on one hand and then say that it does not matter the next?

What does homosexuality have to do with shellfish anyway and why are you telling me what I should have brought up?
 
The Skater said:
Man, there are no words. Contrary to what knee jerk reaction gaf believes, this guy isn't representative of the right. But still, this scumbag is certainly making a case for supporting the left. Keep digging that hole GOP.
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I don't understand this argument. He's literally representative of the right.
 
The Skater said:
Man, there are no words. Contrary to what knee jerk reaction gaf believes, this guy isn't representative of the right.
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Eh...not to be a dick, but he kinda is representative of the right. At least the right that gets daily dosage of Fox News and political analysis from chain e-mails.
 
Fiction said:
That last one...heh. Anything that goes in to a man from the outside eh? Doesn't that erm...take away the no sodomy law too?
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It's okay to receive, but not to give.

Actually, it's a little more complicated than that.

Mark 7:20-23 said:
And He was saying, "That which proceeds out of the man, that is what defiles the man.
"For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed the evil thoughts, fornications, thefts, murders, adulteries, deeds of coveting and wickedness, as well as deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride and foolishness. All these evil things proceed from within and defile the man."
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Zaphod said:
The two passages clearly contradict. How can he say that not one bit of the law will be undone on one hand and then say that it does not matter the next?
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That's a good question!

What does homosexuality have to do with shellfish anyway and why are you telling me what I should have brought up?
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Nothing, but at least the proclamations against that aren't really contradicted anywhere in the NT, from what I know, while the abolishment of Old Testament dietary restrictions is a pretty non-controversial view despite the existence of the verse you quoted.

I'm not a Christian nor a Bible scholar, so I don't want to derail the thread further with this kind of discussion.
 
Axiology said:
Republicans would probably hate it, but there really should be a basic logic test before you qualify for office. Being a popular individual over a certain age is not enough any more.

Funny enough, these are the same people who try to enact ID checks at voting booths XD
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How many people, Republican or Democrat, would pass such a test? Here are some quotes from Obama:

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep. But this was not just any child. Christ's birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God's love for us."

"During this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective."

"The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world -- that the Son of Man was not to be found in his tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen." Etc.
 
sonicmj1 said:
Nothing, but at least the proclamations against that aren't really contradicted anywhere in the NT, from what I know, while the abolishment of Old Testament dietary restrictions is a pretty non-controversial view despite the existence of the verse you quoted.

I'm not a Christian nor a Bible scholar, so I don't want to derail the thread further with this kind of discussion.
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Me neither and I felt bad about the derail as well but I can't help myself sometimes because I find the bible facinating.

On topic, I just can't believe anyone could honestly think that if someone got pregnant after a rape then it really was not rape. I can't begin to imagine what basic lack of compassion and empathy in a persons mind would allow such a thought to even begin to grow in one's head, let alone to allow it to come out of their mouth in public.

In less nice terms he sounds like a real sub-human piece of shit. Actually my dog has more compassion so I'll go with sub-mammal instead.
 
Trent Strong said:
How many people, Republican or Democrat, would pass such a test? Here are some quotes from Obama:

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep. But this was not just any child. Christ's birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God's love for us."

"During this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective."

"The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world -- that the Son of Man was not to be found in his tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen." Etc.
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I don't think a politician's ability to mouth standard Christian pieties suggests he cannot use logic.

But I doubt Dem politicians would do much better on a logic test than their GOP counterparts. Rigorous analytical thinking is not an important skill to become a Congressman or Senator.
 
Trent Strong said:
How many people, Republican or Democrat, would pass such a test? Here are some quotes from Obama:

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep. But this was not just any child. Christ's birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God's love for us."

"During this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective."

"The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world -- that the Son of Man was not to be found in his tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen." Etc.
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Look, g. I like ya all well and good. But come on, son.

Come ON.
 
Zaphod said:
On topic, I just can't believe anyone could honestly think that if someone got pregnant after a rape then it really was not rape. I can't begin to imagine what basic lack of compassion and empathy in a persons mind would allow such a thought to even begin to grow in one's head, let alone to allow it to come out of their mouth in public.

In less nice terms he sounds like a real sub-human piece of shit. Actually my dog has more compassion so I'll go with sub-mammal instead.
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I like to think it's just a rationalization that allows him to oppose all forms of contraception like the morning-after pill. The first thing he says is that rapes rarely lead to pregnancy, so he wants to believe that it's a case that almost never happens. So it's not something he thinks he needs to consider when making law.

It's wrong on all sorts of levels, though, especially when you start trying to parse a phrase like "legitimate rape", and see how damaging that rationalization can get when it tries to protect itself from cognitive dissonance.
 
Dude Abides said:
I don't think a politician's ability to mouth standard Christian pieties suggests he cannot use logic.

But I doubt Dem politicians would do much better on a logic test than their GOP counterparts. Rigorous analytical thinking is not an important skill to become a Congressman or Senator.
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Oblivion said:
Look, g. I like ya all well and good. But come on, son.

Come ON.
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I'm not saying that this stuff from Obama is anywhere close to as bad as what this crazy Republican senate nominee was saying. Quotes like these from Obama are probably just standard presidential "I'm a Christian" stuff. But still...
 
The Skater said:
Man, there are no words. Contrary to what knee jerk reaction gaf believes, this guy isn't representative of the right. But still, this scumbag is certainly making a case for supporting the left. Keep digging that hole GOP.
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Except that is precisely what he is: A representative of the right. He is nominated to become an elected official, a member of the Republican parry, and represent his constituents in Congress and he represents the party pretty much any time he opens his mouth to comment on anything. That's what a politician is.
 
Trent Strong said:
How many people, Republican or Democrat, would pass such a test? Here are some quotes from Obama:

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep. But this was not just any child. Christ's birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God's love for us."

"During this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective."

"The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world -- that the Son of Man was not to be found in his tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen." Etc.
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I think Obama's Christianity is much different from Todd Akin's.
 
What the hell is "legitimate" rape by the way? This whole narrative of old, crusty white dudes trying to define rape is absolutely hilarious.
 
Oblivion said:
Wow, I'm actually surprised at some of the reactions on Freep:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2920520/posts
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Not so fast.

According to women interviewed by David Reardon of the Elliot Institute for his book, Victims and Victors: Speaking Out About Their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault, women who abort pregnancies caused by rape have a "more difficulty getting over the rape" than those women who carry the baby to term. The abortion is a second act of violence upon their bodies - one to which they, themselves, consent (unlike the rape).

It may take an ad featuring some of those women saying that about rape, but this could help expose another horrendous aspect of the abortion debate AND help Todd Akin win the Senate race in Missouri.
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This guy might be a moron, but his heart is in right place. Why punish the innocent baby for the crime of a rapist?
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Join the bed wetters if you must, but a clear in your face attitude will end this in less than a news cycle. It’s time that our candidates own up to misstatements and then double down with a nasty retort. He can make Clair a baby killer and brand her with Obama’s late term abortions. The only people who will stay offended are those already in Clair’s camp. Treading lightly is what has cost conservatism in every election.
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For the record, ALL studies done before the heinous Roe decision showed that there was a 1% or less chance of a woman becoming pregnant by FORCIBLE rape. It’s pointless to discuss such a thing now. Best, Bob
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I doubt this will hurt him with his base.
 
LordCanti said:
I was on the fence about voting, but if I don't vote, and this guy gets elected, I'll be devastated.

I'll do my part, MO-GAF.
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Thank you. Don't live anywhere near this wonderful man and his election area, but as a woman, thank you for making the effort to vote this guy down.
 
Trent Strong said:
How many people, Republican or Democrat, would pass such a test? Here are some quotes from Obama:

"More than 2,000 years ago, a child was born to two faithful travelers who could find rest only in a stable, among the cattle and the sheep. But this was not just any child. Christ's birth made the angels rejoice and attracted shepherds and kings from afar. He was a manifestation of God's love for us."

"During this season, we are reminded that there's something about the resurrection -- something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective."

"The discovery, just three days later, that would forever alter our world -- that the Son of Man was not to be found in his tomb and that Jesus Christ had risen." Etc.
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Very few, admittedly. Especially with the majority of constituents as theists. If that's what it took to take religion out of politics I'd still be up for it, though XD

Of course, even if the test was made specifically to be sensitive to religion this representative's quote would still fail him in a number of ways, but such a test would be pretty much worthless.
 
So basically he's implying that if you get pregnant after claiming you got raped, you secretly wanted it?!?

I swear, if this doesn't get young folks voting, I'm not sure what will. The right wing base was voting for him anyway but the vast majority of Missouri can't be this ignorant.
 
H.Protagonist said:
Thank you. Don't live anywhere near this wonderful man and his election area, but as a woman, thank you for making the effort to vote this guy down.
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I think the state is going to go red for sure (in the presidential election) but if we can at least keep this guy out of the senate, it won't be a complete loss for civilization.

Measley said:
I wish more people would realize this. The modern Republican party scares the shit out of me.
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I don't know how anyone could vote for him after this quote. This should (but probably won't) be a campaign ending revelation. It's not even a gaffe; It's "I believe this heinous thing, and now I'm telling you about it".
 
“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

What? 0_o

What the hell is "legitimate" rape? And "shut that whole thing down....". Again....what? 0_o
 
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