Mother's uterus, her choice if she wants to carry a fetus to term or not. More embryos and fetuses are naturally terminated by nature than humans will ever accomplish, and the number would only go down for human-caused if birth control wasn't viewed as evil.
GOP set to adopt official abortion platform without exceptions for rape and incest
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Mother's uterus, her choice if she wants to carry a fetus to term or not. More embryos and fetuses are naturally terminated by nature than humans will ever accomplish, and the number would only go down for human-caused if birth control wasn't viewed as evil.
So this is the GOP starting as far right as they can, so when they meet in the middle for a compromise it's still favors them, right??!? Too bad this is just too far right, it's akin to going to a car dealership and offering them 50 bucks for a brand new model. You need to make a SERIOUS offer first to start the bargaining process.
There are a myriad of reasons for abortion, and it is the Womans choice as it is her creation. A fetus has no social security number, pays no taxes, and has no rights to speak of, if you want to go that route. America decides that people in Guantanamo have no rights to speak of. Rights are fickle things in this country.
In a modern society, there should be regulations on Abortion at certain time frames, which we have. However, within those time frames, the Woman can decide what she wants to do with any organism she is carrying.
That is what is right. Its unfortunate, but women have miscarriages all the time. Its not really a big deal to abort a fetus, it shouldn't be debated. Its personal. The economy and world war 3 are way more pressing than this bullshit.
And I love that you just know the baby is a he.
What is more important than having millions of unwanted children, is raising kids in a nurturing enviornment so that they are productive healthy citizens. That enviornment doesn't exist in the USA. Welfare systems are a joke, as is education. Thats what the religous side always seems to forget about these instances.
That's the Democrat's view. The Republican's view is after a child is born they're basically not a person and have no rights. Certainly not a right to education, healthcare, or proper diet if they happen to be born into low income families.
I'm a libertarian. One of the first focuses of government should be to pay for unwanted children (and prosecute neglectful parents). How we even get that money is the last of my concern.
But, more importantly, if it's "not a person," then what is it?
The Republicans remove or attempt to remove more and more prenatal and postnatal care for poor women. They already view that woman and her kid as a freeloading parasite. They'll force her to give birth and then call her a welfare queen for the having a kid while being poor.
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Living creature and their way of life as it has evolved is either parasitic or symbiotic. Developing fetus is akin to a parasite.
ElectricBlue187
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and how, exactly, is an unwanted rape baby to a 15 year old impoverished girl going to lead a full and happy life?
Devolution
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He was being sarcastic.
Cuz women are just baby factories. See, I can do it too.
yes, they most certainly do want to overturn roe versus wade. Plenty of GOP candidates want that to happen. The GOP is talking about making abortion illegal for everything, no matter what. If that's not going over RvW, I don't know what is.
And making making a human life have the same rights at conception as a full grown human being is in-fucking-sane. Can you imagine the disaster that would cause to every law book ever
Miscarriages are manslaughter in that case. As is passing a fertilized egg that didn't' attach to the uterus. You'd have to report unborn fetuses as children, which would allow tax breaks as such. It's a nightmare. And, again, insane to think so.
It is a collection of cells and tissue that has the potential to develop into a child. Nothing more. It's the reason why we don't say a woman accidentally murdered somebody when she has a miscarriage.
That and on the Democrats who decided not to vote because they were disappointed with Obama.
A fetus.
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Confiscating people's wealth to support other people whose families won't support them doesn't seem very libertarian.
Devolution
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They can't overturn RvW so the last several years have been trimming down the time available, closing clinics, defunding planned parenthood and passing laws that involve invasive probes and shaming tactics as guilt trips to get women to keep fetuses. All the while doing nothing to educate nor provide (or trying to block provisions) more contraception and birth control which would actually reduce the number of abortions. The GOP don't give an honest shit about life, they want to control what women do.
Is that a lifeform? If so (the answer is "yes"), what species does it belong to?
This, exactly. It's not pro-life, it's strictly an anti-women policy.
Thats what they never cop to. They've convinced themselves that these rape mothers, or people getting abortions due to horrible situations don't exist. That the healthcare system is affordable, so the children will have a great quality of life! I mean, we all know how much the GOP cares about single, minority, women.
Its a harsh pill to swallow. But there is no legal or medical reason to not allow abortions. Its just applying your morals to other people that are too stupid to understand whats good for them.
Yes, but it is not a person. Hence, no rights.
Edit: The mold growing in my shower is a life form too. I don't see anyone arguing for its rights.
Pollux
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Pretty much.
And who does the uterus belong to?
Making abortion illegal in today's world is completely infeasible. We aren't going back to the time of women being subservient baby factories where being forced to carry out a pregnancy against their will would be acceptable.
The current GOP might be crazy enough to try though, which should be another nail in their coffin.
The current GOP might be crazy enough to try though, which should be another nail in their coffin.
Its a human fetus developing inside another human being. It's rights do not trump the rights of the person carrying it. Sorry 'bout 'cha.
Human life is not the same as legal personhood.
As guantanamo proves.
And the silly thing about all of these WAR ON: The will of humanity, is that they just create dangerous, yet thriving underground industries. Preventing abortion will lead to many tragic deaths due to botched procedures.
Jesus. Christ.
Zing!
I am not a woman. Thus I can neither empathize fully nor pretend to understand what it would be carry a pregnancy to term or otherwise especially in situation of rape or incest. And therefore I am a pro-choice individual.
That said, with all things being equal, my stance on pro-choice is inversely proportional to pro-life counting time as the subjected variable? Perhaps this is why I am a staunch supporter of morning after pills.
Also, does this make me an evil person?
That said, with all things being equal, my stance on pro-choice is inversely proportional to pro-life counting time as the subjected variable? Perhaps this is why I am a staunch supporter of morning after pills.
Also, does this make me an evil person?
ClassyPenguin
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"The govt is paying people to have sex"
"You don't need sex to survive"
Also, contraception is always about birth control. Always. There is no medical reason to take birth control pills without it being about sex.
Pro-lifer's are disgusting in my view.
Just had a look at Gallup's polling on Abortion. It makes me a sad panda ..
Dems / The Left need to start fucking owning the pro-choice position with some fierce advocacy asap.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
Dems / The Left need to start fucking owning the pro-choice position with some fierce advocacy asap.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
Sorry if that seemed harsh. I just wanted to convey that I don't think being a life form grants a fetus the rights to force a woman to carry it full term.
GillianSeed79
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As a single man, here's my position on reproductive rights:
A woman giving birth is essentially passing a 5 to 8 pound watermelon from their hoo-hah that may or may not kill them or may or may not have been created by rape or incest. The day I have to pass a kidney stone the size of an orange is the day I can chime in on this issue.
A woman giving birth is essentially passing a 5 to 8 pound watermelon from their hoo-hah that may or may not kill them or may or may not have been created by rape or incest. The day I have to pass a kidney stone the size of an orange is the day I can chime in on this issue.
Black Mamba
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Just had a look at Gallup's polling on Abortion. It makes me a sad panda ..
Dems / The Left need to start fucking owning the pro-choice position with some fierce advocacy asap.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
How the hell does it reverse itself that much in one year?
Lol, you make it sound like Romney has a shred of integrity. He'll flip-flop on anything and everything.
SteveWinwood
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Mold can live on its own. A fetus can't.
I would listen to the pro-lifers if they were actually interested in stopping abortion.
Like I said in the other thread, if you want to stop abortion then up sex ed and have birth control be free and easy to get.
Instead we get less sex ed, restrictions put up around birth control. That just tells me they're not serious about stopping abortion they're only serious about maintaining it as a wedge issue.
Like I said in the other thread, if you want to stop abortion then up sex ed and have birth control be free and easy to get.
Instead we get less sex ed, restrictions put up around birth control. That just tells me they're not serious about stopping abortion they're only serious about maintaining it as a wedge issue.
"Pro-life" is a completely bullshit term anyways, unless they happen to be Jainists.
And the Republicans are the insensitive, crazy, evil ones. Un-fucking-believable.
ClassyPenguin
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Oh yeah, and science has already debunked that women who have abortions end up with PTSD or depression.
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-abortiontrauma.htm
http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-abortiontrauma.htm
Just had a look at Gallup's polling on Abortion. It makes me a sad panda ..
Dems / The Left need to start fucking owning the pro-choice position with some fierce advocacy asap.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
That's a terrible poll question. I'm both pro-life and pro-choice for instance, and I'm guessing it's the default stance of most people.
The one above is more meaningful where legal in all circumstances is leading illegal, and legal in some circumstances is blowing both away.
SteveWinwood
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What? I literally just stated a fact.
Again with the fucking science????? We need to perm-ban people that mention science in GOP threads.
We talking the same republicans that believe theres legitimate rape, right..? That insensitive group...?
In other words, you bet. The party is a joke and couldn't defend itself with any logical argument if it tried.
polyh3dron
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SMALL GOVERNMENT!
That may have been true before, but now they are passing legislation at the State level. It's gone beyond a wedge issue.
Just had a look at Gallup's polling on Abortion. It makes me a sad panda ..
Dems / The Left need to start fucking owning the pro-choice position with some fierce advocacy asap.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1576/abortion.aspx
The dems stand for nothing. Say what you will about the tenets of the republican party, at least it's an ethos!
Seriously though, I hate to be such a pessimist but progressives are totally fucked atm.
Everything is life, an egg is life, a sperm is life. Around the 14th day of a fetus is when, for me, that life becomes a human life.
Whether a woman wishes to abort a fetus or a human life before or after this date should have fuck all to do with what I think. That is a decision she makes with whomever she wants guidance from.
No government nor congressman should EVER implement a law that removes the most private of choices from a woman.
Whether a woman wishes to abort a fetus or a human life before or after this date should have fuck all to do with what I think. That is a decision she makes with whomever she wants guidance from.
No government nor congressman should EVER implement a law that removes the most private of choices from a woman.
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