They are needed by everyone that plays several formats and Wizards will never print them ever again. Therefore $$$.
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They are needed by everyone that plays several formats and Wizards will never print them ever again. Therefore $$$.
kurrptsenate
Banned
I think it was really SCG delving into legacy that caused the huge surge in the format. Duels nearly doubled soon after.
My personal favorite format. Nothing compares IMO
My personal favorite format. Nothing compares IMO
There's a theory that them hosting legacy tournaments was specifically designed to raise their prices on the older power cards. Makes sense.
kurrptsenate
Banned
Well, the price raising was inadvertent, or at least, a product of the them raising the demand on those legacy staples.
I used to think legacy was too expensive. I've since grown to realize that it's actually standard that is way too friggin expensive.
Keru_Shiri
Member
Heh, never thought about it that way, but yeah that does make sense. I would love to get my hands on some duals and compete someday, but for now, I'll just stick to burn.
kurrptsenate
Banned
The legacy burn deck is NASTY! You could get it quite easily. Chain lightning is pretty much the only expensive card, and it's common
Inadvertent? They created legacy tournaments that give out a sizable cash prize, but the amount you have to invest in a deck to compete, for the amount of hopeful new legacy players or players who want new builds, is likely to add up to way more than the prize pool itself.
It's genius really.
Don't have a decent set-up for getting a picture uploaded quickly, but a quick google search says they're apparently revised because they have the tap symbol.
kurrptsenate
Banned
Legacy is really a different beast. Most people build a legacy deck, and tend not to deviate that much from it.
In standard, the format is so meta gamed that the decks are constantly changing.
Once you have a good legacy deck, you're set. You might need to buy 2-4 cards a year.
It's the reason they haven't switched to Modern at least.
kurrptsenate
Banned
By this definition, it would raise the prices of modern. If that were the sole reason behind it, they would have done it already.
Modern blows compared to legacy FYI
Nothing in Modern would ever rise to the level of the duel lands.
And that's far from the popular opinion on modern. I'm sure it's more popular on MTGO.
BlewHedgehog
Member
It was mentioned a couple pages back that the Zendikar fetchlands are going to be in need of a reprint someday to keep modern accessible. If this were true, what do you think they would do with the Onslaught fetches? Obviously, they aren't modern legal, but to have opposing color fetches without allies is counter-intuitive and highly asymmetrical by today's standards. Do you think it's a possibility that they see a reprint too?
kurrptsenate
Banned
um.... Tarmo-what?
It's only more popular on MTGO because you cannot obtain all the cards for legacy on MTGO.
Goyf is already in Legacy and super expensive, it wouldn't rise any further.
kurrptsenate
Banned
you could say that about every card in modern, I'm not sure what your point is. It's a very expensive card that is legal in Modern. I thought those were the parameters.
Also, Bobs, thoughtseize, current shocklands (with blue in it), mutavaults etc.
The first two are on par with a LOT of duels, especially during modern season.
Correct. More specifically, it simply boosts sales. The Legacy tournaments are loss-leaders.
And because Force of Will is essentially on a 1-card reserved list online.
Keru_Shiri
Member
How often to shocklands show up in Legacy lists? I wonder if part of the demand comes from players looking to break into Legacy but looking for a slightly budget alternative.
I will say this though: I expect Modern events to see a huge spike in attendance once RtR hits the shelves.
I will say this though: I expect Modern events to see a huge spike in attendance once RtR hits the shelves.
In serious Legacy? They simply aren't played. Eternal demand (outside of Modern) is mostly casual.
divisionbyzorro
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We all know the shocklands are getting reprinted this season. It has to happen. The real question is when they're going to reprint the Onslaught fetches like they've promised (finally making them modern legal), and what uncommon/common mana fixing will be in RtR and Gatecrash.
I'm also very curious to see what kind of utility lands and/or manlands Ravnica brings us.
Also, FYI:
This is a duel land: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=109739
This is a dual land: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=96923
I'm also very curious to see what kind of utility lands and/or manlands Ravnica brings us.
Also, FYI:
This is a duel land: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=109739
This is a dual land: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=96923
narcosis219
Member
Bwahahaha.
I was thinking the same thing, but I never thought of lands that depicted duelling. I thought of phyrexian arena but that isn't a land =(
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Minor thing but:
It looks like the Gruul signet has been updated. Maybe that's how it first looked before the guild fell?
It looks like the Gruul signet has been updated. Maybe that's how it first looked before the guild fell?
narcosis219
Member
Minor thing but:
It looks like the Gruul signet has been updated. Maybe that's how it first looked before the guild fell?
Changed from a tree trunk to crossed swords?
Huh.
Well, the swords sure do look a lot angrier than a tree trunk lol
Gatekeeper
Member
You are my new best friend.
Minor thing but:
It looks like the Gruul signet has been updated. Maybe that's how it first looked before the guild fell?
A lot of the symbols have changed, Gruul is just more noticeable.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The obvious changes I see are: Boros is no longer inscribed in a circle, Izzet has the wings meeting over his head, and Rakdos looks a little....squashed.
Any I missed?
EDIT: Oh, and the Golgari no longer has snakes circling the insect head? They've been redesigned to look more like legs?
narcosis219
Member
The others were just cleaned up. Gruul however has a pretty big change. It's still burning, but it's no longer a burning tree, which was one of the biggest clans within Gruul. I'd say it's significant enough to point out.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Just finished organizing all my cards! 
Time consuming but hopefully it's worth it while building decks, it was hell before.
Time consuming but hopefully it's worth it while building decks, it was hell before.I build all of my decks using Magic Assistant, then just pull the cards from my collection and put it together when I have it the way I want it. Makes things a lot easier. Especially since I often forget that I own certain cards and/or forget whether or not I'm using them in another deck.Just finished organizing all my cards!
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Well I just meant pulling them. Sorting through multiple multiple copies of cards in a set for one card is exhausting. I can pull the cards to put in the deck quicker, I make a list first.
Ah.
When I got back into the game, the first thing I did was organize my cards. Whenever I get new cards, the first thing I do, when i get them home, is add them to my database and file them away. It makes finding things so much easier.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Yup, that's what I've been doing for the last week for convenience. Glad to finally do it.
narcosis219
Member
Wow, I topdeck more land than I ever have in my life during today's daily.
Also, i got double counterspelled on prismatic strands. REALLY?
Also, i got double counterspelled on prismatic strands. REALLY?
narcosis219
Member
You get a set of cards that are part of a "planeswalker" set. You can make duels of the planes walkers type decks that you can play casually. These cards are separate from your actual collection cause they can't be traded.
Other than that, everything will cost you money.
divisionbyzorro
Member
I've been having a lot of fun playing this BW token deck - mostly because when I side into Blood Artists, nobody expects it!
Maindeck:
Sideboard:
Blood Artist takes everybody by surprise out of the sideboard; the highlight of the night so far was dropping him into a field of 5 spirit tokens, then seeing a "
" in the chat as my opponent was forced to whipflare. Only time will tell if he's really all that good, but so far he's been a lot of fun to play with.
Maindeck:
Code:
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Doomed Traveler
4x Honor of the Pure
4x Intangible Virtue
4x Gather the Townsfolk
2x Go for the Throat
2x Oblivion Ring
4x Midnight Haunting
4x Lingering Souls
3x Hero of Bladehold
4x Isolated Chapel
4x Vault of the Archangel
12x Plains
4x Swamp
1x Evolving WildsSideboard:
Code:
3x Blood Artist
3x Mortarpod
3x Celestial Purge
2x Oblivion Ring
2x Go for the Throat
2x Angel of JublicationBlood Artist takes everybody by surprise out of the sideboard; the highlight of the night so far was dropping him into a field of 5 spirit tokens, then seeing a "
" in the chat as my opponent was forced to whipflare. Only time will tell if he's really all that good, but so far he's been a lot of fun to play with.So, I built a GW Humans/Equipment EDH deck, but it feels like it's missing something to put me over the edge. I don't have much of an end-game if I don't have Champion of Lambholt or Odric out. Anyone have any ideas for something to lock a game in or keep opponent's from pushing me back?
Ven, I had Riders in the initial pool but it didn't make the cut. I'm starting to think it may make it back in though after a couple games yesterday.
The Paladin/Collar/Mortarpod is great. Nice!
Ratchet Bomb?
The Paladin/Collar/Mortarpod is great. Nice!
Ratchet Bomb?
Another artifact for metalcraft and it can blow up stuff!
Trading Post would be another good card, not so much of a win condition though.
I just figured there was another application I wasn't seeing. It really is a great card, but part of the problem is my playgroup recently discovered that Avacyn is a great commander, so now I'm dealing with boards of indestructables in front of me.
Instead of constantly killing her, I figured I'd just scoot past her, lock her down, something. That collar/Mortarpod combo is perfect.
wow I didn't know this existed and now I want to put my cards and decks on the data base... but what a daunting task
narcosis219
Member
I just recently sorted my entire collection and it was quite a lot of work. I don't think entering all of that into a data base would have been much fun either lol.
Hell, if I had to enter in my draft pools every week I think I'd be out a lot of time.
I'd probably only enter in rares and playable uncommons, but that's what I have my binders for
Gatekeeper
Member
I get the feeling this combo doesn't work like you think it does.
Yea this even holds true for Fog Banks which is annoying.
Really? I thought Fog Bank blocked all combat damage. Only really play limited though so I guess it doesn't apply as much to me.
kurrptsenate
Banned
The combo is just two cards (mortar pod, collar). The paladin is just for overall equipment synergy.
FYI if blockers are declared, but the blocker is destroyed before damage, all trample damage is assigned to the player.
Also, if a creature has death touch and trample, only a single point of damage is considered lethal
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