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[You Are Viewtiful]

What? They are nothing alike. Everyone uses the words 'nice try'.

Plus my edit makes it different >_>

 

[Zombie James]

You find the truth obnoxious?

If so, you might want to not look at this gem:

Bu bu but teh natural progression!!!!!11 Round bases are teh obvious evolution of small form factor desktop computers!!!!

The one with SAMSUNG written on it is the Mac Mini, right?

 

[CharminUltra]

The one with SAMSUNG written on it is the Mac Mini, right?

Yup. The Samsung product that's desperately trying to look like an Apple product. You've got a good eye there, sir.

 

[Kinitari]

more ish

See, this is what I am talking about. This might just be me, but I don't think anyone is going to take you seriously if you talk like that. Maybe if you try to word your arguments in a way that people actually want to read and not just skim over and think "fuck, it's this guy again" - you might actually connect with people. But right now you're just acting petulant.

I will make your point for you because behind all the stuff you are saying there is a nugget of an argument:

"Samsung's desire to borrow from Apple's success in appealing to the masses aesthetically has - in my opinion - crossed a line. So I feel the court ruling was a very good decision. Some of you might not understand the full extent of how much Samsung borrows from Apples aesthetics, so here are some images I feel really capture the 'line crossing' I spoke of earlier

*few images with a caption or two*

Now if you want to make an argument for software patents, that's neither here nor there, my opinion on them is [I don't know what your opinion on them is] - regardless, I feel that this particular result is a net positive"

I mean, you don't have to word yourself this way, but trust me when I tell you that you will engage in much more constructive arguments this way. You can even be more passionate than that and people will give you some respect in how they respond to you.

Now... if you just want to run back and forth through this thread 'loling' and making sarcastic jokes that are basically a step above rage comics, go for it... I can't really tell you what to do, but seriously - you can make good points and people might actually listen to you if you put some effort into sounding like an adult.

That came off a bit more 'holier than though' than I was going for, I just get exhausted coming into this thread - I honestly want to sometimes come in and talk about this shit seriously but I see these sorts of posts fill up 3/4ths (not just from ridley, from so many people) and I just can't be bothered. I just wish everyone put a bit more effort into actually attempting to have some form.

 

[KevinRo]

You find the truth obnoxious?

If so, you might want to not look at this gem:

The Samsung product looks better.

They're computers in smaller mini itx cases. Try a google search on that. OMG TEH ROUND EDGEZZ

Try harder.

Next.

 

[mescalineeyes]

The Samsung product looks better.

They're computers in smaller mini itx cases. Try a google search on that. OMG TEH ROUND EDGEZZ

Try harder.

Next.

Ok guys, this is the point where we should take a good hard look at ourselves and think real hard about who here is "blinded".

It's one thing to argue about the patents being held up but to deny that Samsung is shamelessly copying Apple where they can is disingenuous.

 

[matty2Dfraud]

I just ordered a Galaxy S III. I was trying to hold out, but Apple forced my hand. Thank you Apple.

 

[mescalineeyes]

I just ordered a Galaxy S III. I was trying to hold out, but Apple forced my hand. Thank you Apple.

If you choose the inferior product over some legal shenanigans 2 companies are involved in then I don't know what to tell you. But have fun with ugly ass touch-wiz and apps that make pre App-Store web-apps look like god's gift to computing.

 

[badcrumble]

I just ordered a Galaxy S III. I was trying to hold out, but Apple forced my hand. Thank you Apple.

i'm sure apple hq is wiping their tears away with hundred dollar bills

 

[Woz]

The Samsung product looks better.

They're computers in smaller mini itx cases. Try a google search on that. OMG TEH ROUND EDGEZZ

Try harder.

Next.

Very few round corners, sir... And many various design iterations:
http://www.google.it/search?tbm=isc...b=wi&q=mini itx case&sa=N&biw=320&bih=416#p=0

Try harder.

 

[Freestyler]

I'm late to the party but stoked at the verdict. Hopefully Samsung will stop their merciless copying of Apple's products. It's not fair that Apple spends millions on R&D and marketing and then has a competitor steal everything.

 

[Moppet13]

I'm late to the party but stoked at the verdict. Hopefully Samsung will stop their merciless copying of Apple's products. It's not fair that Apple spends millions on R&D and marketing and then has a competitor steal everything.

Because Apple hasn't stolen any of their competitors ideas?

 

[maharg]

Are you saying the iPhone did not change everything?

Well it must have, because the iphone4 changed everything ALL OVER AGAIN!

 

[mescalineeyes]

Well it must have, because the iphone4 changed everything ALL OVER AGAIN!

For creative baristas all over the world!

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

I don't know if this thread is real or not

I've not actually seen that mini Samsung PC before. LMAO at how much of a rip off it is

Samsung = Mr Me Too

Reminds me of those Linux and windows users who use themes to look like Mac OS

 

[samus i am]

I don't know if this thread is real or not

I've not actually seen that mini Samsung PC before. LMAO at how much of a rip off it is

Samsung = Mr Me Too

Reminds me of those Linux and windows users who use themes to look like Mac OS

And those iPhone users that have to jailbreak their phones to install widgets like Android users.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

The jury members need to stop talking to the media. At the rate they are going, by September 20th a mistrial declaration will be inevitable.

 

[Castor Krieg]

The Galaxy S? I'm pretty sure I have, unless they were iPhones. Kinda hard to tell them apart.

Pro-tip: one has Apple written on the back, the other one Samsung in front. I guess that is too difficult to tell for some people.

 

[mescalineeyes]

And those iPhone users that have to jailbreak their phones to install widgets like Android users.

I don't think anyone gives a shit about widgets, except for Android users who want to feel some fake sense of superiority.

Now, the notification drawer, that's where it's really at. Apple ripped that off and it's still not as good as the original.

 

[Wiktor]

I find it interesting that Samsung makes some really obvious clones of Apple products (tablets, their older phones, mini PCs) and at the same time when most companies make ultrabooks that are bassicaly complete Air rip-offs Samgun is one of the few ones who have laptops in this category that look absoltely nothing like anything Apple has ever made.
I guess Samsung copies when they’re fresh to the market and once they gain enough clout they gain courage to make their own designs?

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I don't think anyone gives a shit about widgets, except for Android users who want to feel some fake sense of superiority.

Spoken like someone who's never actually used widgets before. I have more widgets decorating my homescreens than I have icons. They are very useful and analagous to the Live Tiles used by Windows Phone but with much more flexibility.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Spoken like someone who's never actually used widgets before. I have more widgets decorating my homescreens than I have icons. They are very useful and analagous to the Live Tiles used by Windows Phone but with much more flexibility.

I like my Google Play Music widget, that's about it.
Everything else is either ugly (most calendar widgets) or useless (weather).

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I find it interesting that Samsung makes some really obvious clones of Apple products (tablets, their older phones, mini PCs) and at the same time when most companies make ultrabooks that are bassicaly complete Air rip-offs Samgun is one of the few ones who have laptops in this category that look absoltely nothing like anything Apple has ever made.
I guess Samsung copies when they’re fresh to the market and once they gain enough clout they gain courage to make their own designs?

Entering a new market by copying existing products has been a Korean MO for decades. However, in the last decade or so, the Koreans have been aggressively improving on their products after entry dramatically and then becoming so competitive they actually push existing players out of markets.

They did it to the Japanese in TVs and other personal electronics, eviscerating Sony and other large Japanese companies in the process. They did it large home appliances and companies like Whirlpool and Maytag are reeling from the Korean assault. Most people don't realize that Samsung has become one of the largest commercial shipbuilders in the world, or that they have moved aggressively into making medical equipment. They are one of the largest semiconductor manufacturers in the world now, which is why Apple is basically married to them whether they like it or not because nobody else has the capacity to make Ax SoCs for iDevices.

One market where Samsung has literally come from nowhere to dominance in just a few years is SSDs. Since they have semiconductor experience and capacity, they can manufacture their own flash memory for SSDs and other flash-based devices. Since they have experience in SoCs and drive controllers from their hard drive business, they are almost the only SSD manufacturer who makes their own controllers. Put all that together and you get the only SSD on the market which is manufactured from raw components to final product by one company. Samsung has basically eaten Intel alive in a nascent market which Intel really should have been more competitive in, and all the other traditional memory manufacturers have to rely on third-party controllers. It helps that Samsung entered a market which was being flooded by terrible OCZ products though, simply by demonstrating reliability better than OCZ (not hard) and excellent performance, they have been able to establish a dominating position almost overnight.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I like my Google Play Music widget, that's about it.
Everything else is either ugly (most calendar widgets) or useless (weather).

Widgets on my homescreens:
- Google+
- Facebook
- Engadget
- stock Android control widget (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.)
- Beautiful Widgets (clock, weather)
- Beautiful Widgets controls (Silence, Vibrate, Plane Mode, Timed Silence)
- Battery Left widget (shows battery life to 1% increments)
- SetCPU
- PowerAMP

I wish The Verge had a widget for their app, I've come to love the Engadget widget which scrolls through the new stories and hitting a story I want to read opens the Engadget app and loads the story. I hope The Verge implements a widget for their app soon like the Engadget app widget.

 

[mescalineeyes]

Widgets on my homescreens:
- Google+
- Facebook
- Engadget
- stock Android control widget (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.)
- Beautiful Widgets (clock, weather)
- Beautiful Widgets controls (Silence, Vibrate, Plane Mode, Timed Silence)
- Battery Left widget (shows battery life to 1% increments)
- SetCPU
- PowerAMP

I wish The Verge had a widget for their app, I've come to love the Engadget widget which scrolls through the new stories and hitting a story I want to read opens the Engadget app and loads the story. I hope The Verge implements a widget for their app soon like the Engadget app widget.

Battery Widget Reborn is amazing. Might wanna look into that instead of the abomination that is Battery Left.

but yeah, every single Widget you happen to use looks like ass. I'd rather not have that functionality than for it to look like that...

 

[Fugu]

I don't think anyone gives a shit about widgets, except for Android users who want to feel some fake sense of superiority.

Well, you got me. I actually do only like widgets because they make me feel superior to iPhone users. Not just in terms of cellphone ownership, but in terms of life. When I see that alarm clock, I don't just know that I've made the right decisions; more importantly, I know that every last iPhone owner has made the wrong decisions, and that's what's really important.

Is that the kind of response you were hoping for when you wrote this moronic post?

 

[Technosteve]

Look, even if you and others claims about software patents are correct, if you were hoping for this case to bring a revamp of the patent system, this wasn't going to be the case. IIRC, Samsung wasn't even spending time arguing that pinch to zoom, etc. were obvious, vague, or whatever, they based their case against patents on prior art that dealt with things like table top projector prototypes.

The jurors are mostly going to deal with the arguments made by Samsung, and Samsung, despite a bit of grandstanding rhetoric, was not making the case for patent invalidity.

You know what Samsung was doing instead of spending all their arguments against the validity of Apple's patents? They were arguing and putting on paid experts to talk about why their patents were valid--patents such as one for playing music in the background while web surfing, or sending an email with a photo attachment. And they were trying to use FRAND patents offensively and arguing why they should be able to charge Apple for patents on Intel chips when Intel had already paid for them. It's really hard to argue against the patent system in one breath while in the next breath Samsung is putting on highly credentialed and highly paid experts to argue about why Samsung's patents for emailing a photo or listening to an MP3 in the background are valid. This is probably why they weren't vigorously arguing the "obviousness" factor of pinch to zoom, etc. They'd look like hypocrites and risk invalidating their own patents.

Jurors can really only work with the arguments the lawyers present. And if Samsung itself is putting on academic experts to tell the jury why listening to music in the background or emailing photos are valid patents, Apple is also putting up experts to tell you about why their patents are valid, and neither side putting up a Richard Stallman to say, "a pox on both houses, software patents are bad." With both sides spending millions of dollars on experts to tell the jury that "software patents are good, especially the ones owned by the party that I'm arguing for, just not the patents of the other side, they're bad," or, the other party's patents are good, but my party isn't infringing them because of these specific differences from implementation," you are mostly going come away convinced that software patents are ok.

Maybe you could've changed the system if Samsung wasn't countersuing with software patents of their own, so they could spend their time arguing about why all such patents are bad instead of spending their time arguing why their patents are good. But that's the litigation strategy of all these companies--fight patents with patents. They've become deeply invested in the system and are not going to upend it because that overturns a lot of their side businesses in cross-licensing or risks zeroing out the money they spent on prior patents.

This is what you're going to see in the Google v. Apple case that was recently filed (Google sued Apple over patents over things like location-based reminders, video players, and email notification) if it goes to trial. Google will put up highly credentialed experts and highly paid experts to argue that their software patents are valid, Apple will put on experts to argue why they're patents are valid, neither side will put up an RMS type guy that will argue against the system. This is not the way that you're going to convince jurors that software patents are bad.

Jurors only work with what the attorneys give them, and it's not a good expectation that they will disrupt the software patent system when both sides are constantly telling them about the validity of their own software patents. They aren't morons when they're only responding to what both sides' attorneys and their experts have constantly reinforced throughout trial--software patents are good, software patents are important, especially our software patents.

Google vs Apple will be very interesting, google will have to open its books about android development. Or it will become a boring software patent Dick waving.

 

[Souless_PJ]

I don't think anyone gives a shit about widgets, except for Android users who want to feel some fake sense of superiority.

For real. If most Android phones didn't have shit battery life you wouldn't need widgets to toggle every last battery saving / kill application setting on and off every 5 mins from the home screen or be able to see 3 different versions of a clock face / weather report.

Exhibit A

stock Android control widget (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.)
- Beautiful Widgets (clock, weather)
- Beautiful Widgets controls (Silence, Vibrate, Plane Mode, Timed Silence)
- Battery Left widget (shows battery life to 1% increments)
- SetCPU
- PowerAMP

 

[Nicktendo86]

If you choose the inferior product over some legal shenanigans 2 companies are involved in then I don't know what to tell you. But have fun with ugly ass touch-wiz and apps that make pre App-Store web-apps look like god's gift to computing.

Your first ever post I actually agree with.

Spoiler

should have got a nexus

 

[mescalineeyes]

For real. If most Android phones didn't have shit battery life you wouldn't need widgets to toggle every last battery saving / kill application setting on and off every 5 mins from the home screen or be able to see 3 different versions of a clock face / weather report.

That + a lockscreen worth a damn.

Your first ever post I actually agree with.

Spoiler

should have got a nexus

He totally should have. Love my Tuna.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

I like my Google Play Music widget, that's about it.
Everything else is either ugly (most calendar widgets) or useless (weather).

Listen, Android is an open platform. The fact fact that the only widget you like is Google Play Music doesn't mean there aren't any worthwhile widgets. I've had my current phone since 2009 and I'm still very pleased with it. It's smooth because of highly optimised custom roms, and I change the appearence of my phone every once in a while. Having said that, my phones UI looks generations ahead of any other platform availible, ESPECIALLY iOS. The amount of customisation options can result into great looking things. Just have a peak at the Android Customisation thread, a lot of gems in there.

Having customisation options is gold. Nullifying that by saying that most customisation materials suck is pretty dumb.

 

[mescalineeyes]

The amount of customisation options can result into great looking things. Just have a peak at the Android Customisation thread, a lot of gems in there.

I go there all the time but not after lunch.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

For real. If most Android phones didn't have shit battery life you wouldn't need widgets to toggle every last battery saving / kill application setting on and off every 5 mins from the home screen or be able to see 3 different versions of a clock face / weather report.

Exhibit A

stock Android control widget (WiFi, Bluetooth, etc.)
- Beautiful Widgets (clock, weather)
- Beautiful Widgets controls (Silence, Vibrate, Plane Mode, Timed Silence)
- Battery Left widget (shows battery life to 1% increments)
- SetCPU
- PowerAMP

What the..? People use widgets to make their battery last longer? Dude, please stop. Just.. stop. Stop.

 

[mescalineeyes]

What the..? People use widgets to make their battery last longer? Dude, please stop. Just.. stop. Stop.

yo hitman, let's go for a walk and then you try to call someone on your phone.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

yo hitman, let's go for a walk and then you try to call someone on your phone.

What is that supposed to mean?

 

[mescalineeyes]

What is that supposed to mean?

I don't know, I can't see your post on the "SUPER AMOLED" screen of my Galaxy Nexus either.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

I don't know, I can't see your post on the "SUPER AMOLED" screen of my Galaxy Nexus either.

You don't know the meaning of your words because you can't see my post. I see.

 

[MarkMclovin]

Ok guys, this is the point where we should take a good hard look at ourselves and think real hard about who here is "blinded".

If you choose the inferior product over some legal shenanigans 2 companies are involved in then I don't know what to tell you. But have fun with ugly ass touch-wiz and apps that make pre App-Store web-apps look like god's gift to computing.

Seems like you need to listen to your own advice.

And if this is where the topic is heading, it's time to bail, people!

 

[jorma]

It's one thing to argue about the patents being held up but to deny that Samsung is shamelessly copying Apple where they can is disingenuous.

I thought apple were ordered to publish the message "samsung did not copy us" on their website?

 

[mescalineeyes]

I thought apple were ordered to publish the message "samsung did not copy us" on their website?

Different court/country/verdict.

 

[Angst]

I don't know, I can't see your post on the "SUPER AMOLED" screen of my Galaxy Nexus either.

If you have him on ignore, why do you focus so much on him? I smell a secret love story here

 

[jorma]

Different court/country/verdict.

I know. And? You were calling that verdict "disingenuous" because an american court is the only objective court? I struggle to understand that claim.

 

[mescalineeyes]

I know. And? You were calling that verdict "disingenuous" because an american court is the only objective court? I struggle to understand that claim.

no, because I have eyes.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

If you have him on ignore, why do you focus so much on him? I smell a secret love story here

I think he/she is somehow trying to downplay the Galaxy Nexus and the underlying screen technology by blaming the screen for not beeing able to see my post. In any case, it is not funny or accurate.

 

[numble]

I thought apple were ordered to publish the message "samsung did not copy us" on their website?

Both courts have the same verdict--Samsung didn't copy Apple's iPad for its tablet.

 

[mescalineeyes]

I think he/she is somehow trying to downplay the Galaxy Nexus and the underlying screen technology by blaming the screen for not beeing able to see my post. In any case, it is not funny or accurate.

At least you didn't call me an "it". If you're unsure of someone's gender, you can use their name. If I was lexi you'd probably be banned right now.

And while it might not be funny (it's really rather sad) it is very much a fact that I can't see my Galaxy Nexus' screen outside while I could see my iPhone's screen significantly better.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

no, because I have eyes.

Everyone with eyes can conclude that the Galaxy S is trying to look like an iPhone. But what you, and many other are doing, is selectively seeking for screenshots/images that suggest that the devices are inseparable. The Galaxy S in your image is a Galaxy S withing the App Drawer, with no background. Also, if the UI of Android is so bad and slow and fugly, how come people supposedly confuse it with the almighty buttery smooth epitome of design called iOS?

 

[Always-honest]

Everyone with eyes can conclude that the Galaxy S is trying to look like an iPhone. But what you, and many other are doing, is selectively seeking for screenshots/images that suggest that the devices are inseparable. The Galaxy S in your image is a Galaxy S withing the App Drawer, with no background. Also, if the UI of Android is so bad and slow and fugly, how come people supposedly confuse it with the almighty buttery smooth epitome of design called iOS?

i don't think they do. It's night and day.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

At least you didn't call me an "it". If you're unsure of someone's gender, you can use their name. If I was lexi you'd probably be banned right now.

And while it might not be funny (it's really rather sad) it is very much a fact that I can't see my Galaxy Nexus' screen outside while I could see my iPhone's screen significantly better.

Or you could just give a heads up like you did. I pretty new to the forum and banning someone for that is pretty harsh imo. Oh well, I'm not a mod and if it's a rule then I suppose I should be banned for that.

And when it comes to screen, I have no knowledge about the underlying screen technology of both devices, but I do know that the Lumia 800/900 (also sporting Amoled screens) have taken top spots when it comes to outdoor readability tests. So you're experience with the handset might be an anomaly.

i don't think they do. It's night and day.

Which is, and it is my point. Apart from the exterior looks (which only fool you for a split second) there is no sane person in the world that will buy a GS thinking it's an iPhone. That accounted for Apple accusations towards Samsung by the way.

wtf? what exactly was the problem here?

I honestly don't know :lol

 

[jorma]

At least you didn't call me an "it". If you're unsure of someone's gender, you can use their name. If I was lexi you'd probably be banned right now.

wtf? what exactly was the problem here?