What is it that people enjoy about MMA/Cage fighting
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GillianSeed79
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I personally prefer boxing just because I find it more compelling to watch and watching a really skilled fighter gives you an appreciation for the sweet science as they say.
That said, people who characterize MMA as just human cockfighting with unskilled brawlers are misinformed. I'm old enough to remember the first three or so UFC PPV events. Sure you had guys like Tank Abott, but the guy that dominated was Royce Gracie. Guy was a Brazilian jujitsu fighter that probably weighed 150 pounds and 90 percent of his bouts consisted of hugging a guy on the ground waiting either to choke them out or put them in an arm bar.
Granted, I haven't watched MMA in like a decade but it's much more than just two crazy dudes in a cage.
It's no worse than football or boxing. We are like the Romans in a lot of ways. We love watching gladiator-like sports, we just don't fancy people actually getting killed. Football is actually pretty brutal yet you can't throw a baseball in any small town or city without hitting a football stadium.
That said, people who characterize MMA as just human cockfighting with unskilled brawlers are misinformed. I'm old enough to remember the first three or so UFC PPV events. Sure you had guys like Tank Abott, but the guy that dominated was Royce Gracie. Guy was a Brazilian jujitsu fighter that probably weighed 150 pounds and 90 percent of his bouts consisted of hugging a guy on the ground waiting either to choke them out or put them in an arm bar.
Granted, I haven't watched MMA in like a decade but it's much more than just two crazy dudes in a cage.
It's no worse than football or boxing. We are like the Romans in a lot of ways. We love watching gladiator-like sports, we just don't fancy people actually getting killed. Football is actually pretty brutal yet you can't throw a baseball in any small town or city without hitting a football stadium.
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I have watched boxing longer than MMA, and when boxing is strong it's a great sport. Sad thing is, it hasn't been that way since the mid 90's or so. You're guaranteed a decision in almost every major boxing fight, and when that decision comes, there are decent odds of a ridiculous screwjob (like Pacquaio-Bradley.)
I don't even know the last time boxing had a notable knockout artist. It's turned in to total point fighting and guys looking for paychecks.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I'd watch this.
GillianSeed79
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This is true though. The last fighter I really enjoyed watching was Roy Jones. It used to be just the heavyweight division that sucked post 90s, but now it seems like all the divisions are snooze fests. With MMA's popularity, I wouldn't be surprised if more young fighters that would have gotten into traditional boxing 20 years ago now just decide to get into MMA.
billy beane
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You'd think a sport where Brock Lesnar could get legit killed twice would be banned. It's ridiculous.
Emerson
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I love how people say stuff like this as if anybody wants to watch people play chess.
Onion_Relish
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There are three benefits to MMA:
1: it is brutal. It reminds people of a kind of simulacrum, where men settled their differences with fists instead of weapons (although weapons have been used for eons and are not a recent occurrence)
2: less susceptible to Shitty judging: if your ass gets knocked out or choked out or your arm broken, not much to judge. This is the single reason why boxing is so ass nowadays.
3: likeable fighters. Everyone has a favorite. Some like gsp, some like titi or mir or Silva or machida or whoever. But because of the nature of the sport, it is easier to achieve longevity through health, so the good guys stay in the game and get to become fan favorites or even legends. This doesn't mean they are guaranteed success as the divisions are highly competitive, and any man can win on any night, which always leads to suspense.
I'm not an avid follower of MMA, but even I know who is good and who sucks. It is a but brutal for my taste personally, but I really like the tactical matches because it has the same strategic element as boxing but it can turn in a second.
1: it is brutal. It reminds people of a kind of simulacrum, where men settled their differences with fists instead of weapons (although weapons have been used for eons and are not a recent occurrence)
2: less susceptible to Shitty judging: if your ass gets knocked out or choked out or your arm broken, not much to judge. This is the single reason why boxing is so ass nowadays.
3: likeable fighters. Everyone has a favorite. Some like gsp, some like titi or mir or Silva or machida or whoever. But because of the nature of the sport, it is easier to achieve longevity through health, so the good guys stay in the game and get to become fan favorites or even legends. This doesn't mean they are guaranteed success as the divisions are highly competitive, and any man can win on any night, which always leads to suspense.
I'm not an avid follower of MMA, but even I know who is good and who sucks. It is a but brutal for my taste personally, but I really like the tactical matches because it has the same strategic element as boxing but it can turn in a second.
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arglebargle
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i believe this. though that gsp fight looked like the whole thing and it was just a blowout. the henderson vs rua fight was like extended highlights, but it seemed henderson was winning most of the match and rua came back a bit in the end. not enough though.
TheNatural
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As bad as you think MMA judging is Capt, boxing seriously is 20 times worse. I've seen more bad boxing decisions this year than the history of MMA.
MyAbsolution
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This thread is a shining example of how misunderstood MMA really is.
I_D
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You must not be very good at chess.
Escape Goat
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Sweaty, muscled, half-naked guys grappling each others well sculpted bodies is entertaining a fuck. By entertaining I mean erotic.
Onion_Relish
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I never said MMA doesn't have Shitty judging (because I've seen some awful decisions before) but like I said... "less susceptible"
And Jon Jones is cool, sonnen is a cantanketous, undeniably narcissistic troll. Read between the lines on that one.
Emerson
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Only people who are good at chess enjoy watching it? Sounds like a good example of my point. Watching chess has a very limited appeal, and is thus a poor comparison for any sport millions of people watch on national television.
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
It's not the cage, it's the techniques! I'm a disciple of Gung Fu, Muay Thai, and JuJutsu, and I like to see how my techniques fare against other disciplines.
Our club is affiliated with Rickson Gracie, and several professional MMA fighters.
Our club is affiliated with Rickson Gracie, and several professional MMA fighters.
I don't know... I guess they like seeing sex positions implemented in fighting.
Did you know that they basically renamed sex positions to sound cool in a fight??
For example, we have the north and south position (google it), but what it really is is the "69".
Then we have the other positions:
half-guard - missionary
rear-naked-choke - cat rape
Full-mount - reverse cowboy with ground and pound
j/k
Did you know that they basically renamed sex positions to sound cool in a fight??
For example, we have the north and south position (google it), but what it really is is the "69".
Then we have the other positions:
half-guard - missionary
rear-naked-choke - cat rape
Full-mount - reverse cowboy with ground and pound
j/k
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
When I first heard "Mix Martial Arts" I was hoping to see like a Shaolin Monk take on a specially trained Navy Seal or something. Basically I wanted a real life Street Fighter.
From what little I've seen its nothing like that so screw it.
From what little I've seen its nothing like that so screw it.
BadAss2961
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There is some truth to MMA becoming more it's own style of fighting rather than the Street Fighter, your craft vs mine.
That's how the first few UFCs were.
These days everyone knows what the best disciplines are (what actually works and isn't some BS Kung Fu from a McDojo) and they all have training in those areas.
Ninja Scooter
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Well people were uninformed and ignorant, and were rightly called on it.
I could go on.
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Or people making acusations of fans getting off on the fighters because they aren't fully clothed. It goes both ways so don't even go there.
You're high nobody beats up on unconscious dudes like what the fuck you on?
AlimNassor
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How is it barbaric? Every sport is dangerous and leads to serve injuries. if people want to suffer injuries, why do we tell them no?
How is it sickening? They aren't truly hurt. I don't understand how anyone can find it sickening.
polyh3dron
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arglebargle
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that kongo vs barry fight was weird. one guy was winning for like 45 seconds and then the other guy dropped him.
i remember very early on it was advertised this way. it sounded cool but i never really watched it. then i learned that the brazilian jiu jitsu guys were just destroying everyone.
and i am completely willing to admit i am ignorant and uninformed. that is why i am trying to avoid value judgments and stick to how i experience it (while wincing, for the most part)
edit: it is also why i am trying to watch some of what people are recommending. educating my ignorant ass, if you will.
i remember very early on it was advertised this way. it sounded cool but i never really watched it. then i learned that the brazilian jiu jitsu guys were just destroying everyone.
and i am completely willing to admit i am ignorant and uninformed. that is why i am trying to avoid value judgments and stick to how i experience it (while wincing, for the most part)
edit: it is also why i am trying to watch some of what people are recommending. educating my ignorant ass, if you will.
polyh3dron
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In the two fights between Mauricio "Shogun" Rua vs. Lyoto Machida, it was effectively Ryu vs. Sagat, or Karate vs. Muay Thai
AlimNassor
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this was the worst knockout i've seen in person
Holy crap?! Is that real? When did that happen? Why wasn't that on the news?
SMT
this show is not Breaking Bad why is it not Breaking Bad? it should be Breaking Bad dammit Breaking Bad
Don't make me laugh at you.
Because MMA also allows boxers to compete with their craft. In fact MMA implements techniques from boxing as well as other martial arts.
HERPA DERP - The uninformed.
No, that's fake. But, the black dude did do that to his wife though.
Jesus, OP. The guys voluntarily engage in this sport, don't feel sorry for them.
I watch it for the full-contact. Flash KO's, ground n pound, kicks, submissions and the short length of the fights.
In boxing, there's less damage delivered per punch, so a lot of times you don't even get a finish to the fight. Going to the judges is one of the worst things in combat sports. I watch to see fights finished. It's the same as watching a real fight on the streets. You want to see someone get ko'd.
If a boxing match is boring, you're usually stuck watching 10-12 rounds of boredom. If an MMA match is boring, it's usually over in ~17 minutes.
There's just a larger array of moves and styles at work, and it's fun to watch different matchups. Plus, everyone has a puncher's chance in MMA, so there's always the threat of a late haymaker. Not so much in boxing.
If you're worried about guys getting hurt, then combat sports aren't for you. Even in boxing matches, the guys take sustained blows to the head. They don't have to wear a crimson mask for those punches to do their damage. In some way, MMA is safer. PEACE.
I watch it for the full-contact. Flash KO's, ground n pound, kicks, submissions and the short length of the fights.
In boxing, there's less damage delivered per punch, so a lot of times you don't even get a finish to the fight. Going to the judges is one of the worst things in combat sports. I watch to see fights finished. It's the same as watching a real fight on the streets. You want to see someone get ko'd.
If a boxing match is boring, you're usually stuck watching 10-12 rounds of boredom. If an MMA match is boring, it's usually over in ~17 minutes.
There's just a larger array of moves and styles at work, and it's fun to watch different matchups. Plus, everyone has a puncher's chance in MMA, so there's always the threat of a late haymaker. Not so much in boxing.
If you're worried about guys getting hurt, then combat sports aren't for you. Even in boxing matches, the guys take sustained blows to the head. They don't have to wear a crimson mask for those punches to do their damage. In some way, MMA is safer. PEACE.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Alligatorjandro
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Its too violent for me
for the unintiated, here's an example:
Here is MMA legend Dan "Hendo" Henderson in the white trunks knocking out some random chunky scrub from Russia. I can't even remember the guy's name, maybe someone can help me out. Anyway, notice how after Hendo knocks the dude's block off and his fat, out of shape carcass slams to the mat, the ref immediately steps in to stop it. If this were boxing, he would have been given a standing 8 count to gather himself and proceed to potentially suffer more damage and blows to his already sensitive brain. If it were football, he could have lied to his coach about his symptoms and be allowed back in the game to, again, cause more damage to his tender brain. MMA saved this Russian can's life so that he could be healthy enough to grace future shitty cards with his presence.
HHH could take him down in the first round
SiteSeer
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This thread in an uninformed circle jerk started by someone known to troll from time to time.
Just sayin.
As for MMA, if you don't have a basic understanding of the sport it can look a little strange, the stand-up not so much but clinch, wrestling and particularly ju-jitsu require some working knowledge to enjoy fully.
Those two guys "rolling round on the floor" are playing a game of speed chess where every single tiny movement they make is considered lest they give up a better position or submission, on top of that they are trained to a point they could pull the average guy to the floor and turn him into a pretzel in a heartbeat, hardly "rolling around".
I tend to find there are two camps in MMAHaterade Gaf:
1. Homophobes (herp derp grappling looks gai)
2. Idiots who like to think Boxing, NFL, Rugby and Hockey are not far more dangerous, brutal and have more long term and short term injury's and deaths.
Just sayin.
As for MMA, if you don't have a basic understanding of the sport it can look a little strange, the stand-up not so much but clinch, wrestling and particularly ju-jitsu require some working knowledge to enjoy fully.
Those two guys "rolling round on the floor" are playing a game of speed chess where every single tiny movement they make is considered lest they give up a better position or submission, on top of that they are trained to a point they could pull the average guy to the floor and turn him into a pretzel in a heartbeat, hardly "rolling around".
I tend to find there are two camps in MMAHaterade Gaf:
1. Homophobes (herp derp grappling looks gai)
2. Idiots who like to think Boxing, NFL, Rugby and Hockey are not far more dangerous, brutal and have more long term and short term injury's and deaths.
GungHo
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Yeah, they do that. There's plenty of mix. However, no one really goes in with a single style, because the sport doesn't really allow single-stylists to survive. When the sport started out, it was like that... and it led to folks like Kamekona from Hawaii Five-0 (no... really... he was on UFC 1) getting beaten to a pulp by people who had a more complete game.
Now, people will actually mix their martial arts up. So, you'll see a guy like Georges St Pierre or Lyoto Machida take their karate base and add in wrestling and jujutsu to suppliment their ground game. Or folks like Dan Henderson take their amateur wrestling base and add in boxing and muay thai to suppliment their stand up. If you're experienced in the martial arts... or hell, even if you're someone who plays a lot of Street Fighter, as you note, or Virtua Fighter, you can clearly see all the different influences in someone's style, such as where they picked up that spinning backfist or where they picked up their armbars (which can look different depending on whether or not they had a strong Japanese or Brazilian base).
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Yeah, they do that. There's plenty of mix. However, no one really goes in with a single style, because the sport doesn't really allow single-stylists to survive. When the sport started out, it was like that... and it led to folks like Kamekona from Hawaii Five-0 (no... really... he was on UFC 1) getting beaten to a pulp by people who had a more complete game.
Then you have Joe Son Do and that is all you need.
How is calling the huggibears out being ignorant and uninformed? Most of the matches I've seen involved a great deal of trying to get the opponent into some sort of submission or trying to escape one with some hits interspersed here and there.
Joel Was Right
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What is Dragon Lily's record at right now?
Jokes aside, here is some good ol' female MMA:
Am I seeing this correctly? Did that arm snap?
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
How was Bork Laser in UFC?
Like was he any good?
Like was he any good?
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