Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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googleplex said:
Here's the problem though. What the fuck is Hank going to do? Ruin his family, his niece, nephew, sister-in-law and his own carrier just to get Heisenberg?
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What's his alternative? Do nothing, and leave his sister-in-law, his niece, and his nephew unknowingly (he has no reason to assume Skyler knows) living with a meth kingpin who can be tied to a string of murders?

I think Hank directly referring to the people behind the prison murders as 'monsters' is important--Heisenberg, in his mind, is the worst of the worst. No way he leaves Holly, Jr., and Skyler with a monster just to protect his career.
 
maharg said:
Lawl at the notion Walt is actually out. He said it himself, he's not in the meth business, he's in the empire business. He has his empire and there's no way he'd stop the train. He's just not shovelling the coal anymore. Todd is. Mixed metaphors are fun.

Good season. Look forward to the last.
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"We had money. Why'd we keep it? Why'd we have to have the world's shittiest RV?"

"Inertia."
 
If you think Hank is not going after Walt then I think you see his character all wrong. He has been obsessed with this case from day 1 and I doubt that even if he now suspects/knows Walter is Heisenberg he would not go after him. He has ego too you know. He has been tricked. Very hard. He's gonna bust him.

Obviously needs more evidence though!
 
Just got around to watching this last episode, incredible...the string of murders, the ending...can't wait for the last batch of episodes.
 
iammeiam said:
What's his alternative? Do nothing, and leave his sister-in-law, his niece, and his nephew unknowingly (he has no reason to assume Skyler knows) living with a meth kingpin who can be tied to a string of murders?

I think Hank directly referring to the people behind the prison murders as 'monsters' is important--Heisenberg, in his mind, is the worst of the worst. No way he leaves Holly, Jr., and Skyler with a monster just to protect his career.
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That face Walt gave Hank when he called Heisenberg a monster...

I can't believe people are anti-Hank. He is the hero of the whole tale, you can't expect Walt to get away with the injustice he has done to those kids.

TeamWalt is all over "This is the meth business" as justification for the death of some of these guys, but are all over Hank for wanting to book a criminal. The "But Walt Jr and Holly!" excuses are horrid, Hank is THE man, he is the exact opposite of Heisenberg, and just as good as him. In my book, Hank is just as bad ass.

"All in the game man"
 
GavinGT said:
So, the horrible thing that was supposed to happen in Holly's presence. Was it either -

a) a red herring from Dean Norris
b) a scene that got bumped to next year

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No idea. If it's option A then he's a genius, my heart was beating so fast when Jr was pushing her near the pool, I though the ricin might come into it too.
 
iammeiam said:
What's his alternative? Do nothing, and leave his sister-in-law, his niece, and his nephew unknowingly (he has no reason to assume Skyler knows) living with a meth kingpin who can be tied to a string of murders?

I think Hank directly referring to the people behind the prison murders as 'monsters' is important--Heisenberg, in his mind, is the worst of the worst. No way he leaves Holly, Jr., and Skyler with a monster just to protect his career.
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Hank's options are two fold:

1. Arrest Walter
2. Kill Water

Option 1. Ruins his own career and drags Walts family name through the mud and financially ruins them.

Option 2. Hanks keeps his career but then he's now a murderer and the man the took his Niece and Nephews father from them.

Both options also just allows someone (possibly) worst then Heisenberg to fill the power vacuum with a much worst product. The people will still get their Meth and allow the cartel to move right back in.

Then there's option 3. Work with Walt. Allow Heisenberg to continue to operate. Control the business from both sides of the law, reduce the violence, and make millions of dollars.
 
I loved the part where Jesse goes off screen before answering the door, I thought that was a bit weird, but after all is done and Walt leaves, he pulls out the gun he was concealing and breathes a sigh of relief. Really powerful, how even with all their chemistry (no pun) he was still prepared and afraid of Mr. White. After all he did just take out all those inmates, so I guess Jesse had even more of a reason to fear for his life.

Also, is that lady dead? I thought he drugged her with the ricin but they never showed the aftermath with her, so I assume he had just brought it with him planning to kill her, but then she revealed her usefulness.
 
Sentry said:
Also, is that lady dead? I thought he drugged her with the ricin but they never showed the aftermath with her, so I assume he had just brought it with him planning to kill her, but then she revealed her usefulness.
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Still alive yeah. Was planning on killing her with it and getting the list but then everything changed.
 
I understand most of the plotlines, but am still slightly confused by the one where Walt wanted to poison Brock with rycin. Did he really want to do it on purpose and bailed out because the flower allergy struck Brock first?
 
King Of Fuh said:
I'm not ruling out that he is lying. He is not a trustworthy fellow. But every one of his other lies was framed differently in this show which is why my hunch is that he was sincere about quitting here. But it is only a hunch.
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But WHY? Why, after all the shit he's been through, after all his speeches and rationalizations, through all of his rampant egotism, would he suddenly and sincerely leave?

The only thing I can think of is something happened with that last hospital scan, either the cancer is back, or irony of ironies, he's developed another cancer or a brain tumor.
 
Carecrow said:
Still alive yeah. Was planning on killing her with it and getting the list but then everything changed.
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What a motherfucker. Even when he explicitly says (something along the lines of) "what do you think i'm going to get the list and kill you right here, after I swore on my children I'd protect you". God damn.

Whatever he's got coming, you can't exactly say he doesn't deserve it. :lol
 
corporate cheerleader said:
I understand most of the plotlines, but am still slightly confused by the one where Walt wanted to poison Brock with rycin. Did he really want to do it on purpose and bailed out because the flower allergy struck Brock first?
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Wanted to make it look like Gus did poison Brock 'to prove a point to Jesse' or something along those lines as Gus allowed kids to be 'used' in the past. He knew what he was doing with the flowers. Could end up on killing the kid.

He never had any plans to use the ricin on the kid as that would kill him for sure. Saul grabs it from Jesse so that made it look like Gus was behind it.
 
But Walt is out, right? He's made enough money, and he's done.

It would have been best if that had happened without Mike dying. I'm not too troubled about 10 snitches getting whacked, but Mike still hurts. Still, Walt is out of the game, and with a relatively low body-count in his wake.

Leaving him to live out his days in peace seems like a perfectly viable option, IMO.

CrunchyFrog said:
But WHY? Why, after all the shit he's been through, after all his speeches and rationalizations, through all of his rampant egotism, would he suddenly and sincerely leave?

The only thing I can think of is something happened with that last hospital scan, either the cancer is back, or irony of ironies, he's developed another cancer or a brain tumor.
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He has enough money and has realized that he'd rather be with his kids than have even more money that he could never possibly spend.
 
Sentry said:
What a motherfucker. Even when he explicitly says (something along the lines of) "what do you think i'm going to get the list and kill you right here, after I swore on my children I'd protect you". God damn.

Whatever he's got coming, you can't exactly say he doesn't deserve it. :lol
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Oh, don't shed any tears for her ether! She was the one that was advocating killing two innocent train operators to steal chemicals.
 
Carecrow said:
Wanted to make it look like Gus did poison Brock 'to prove a point to Jesse' or something along those lines as Gus allowed kids to be 'used' in the past. He knew what he was doing with the flowers. Could end up on killing the kid.

He never had any plans to use the ricin on the kid as that would kill him for sure. Saul grabs it from Jesse so that made it look like Gus was behind it.
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Yeah, but was it possible for Walt to know about his allergy to flowers?
 
So how long into Skylar's chainsmoking depression till she flips out and kicks the bedside table that knocks the power panel off the wall and finds another handy cigarette to smoke?
 
CrunchyFrog said:
But WHY? Why, after all the shit he's been through, after all his speeches and rationalizations, through all of his rampant egotism, would he suddenly and sincerely leave?

The only thing I can think of is something happened with that last hospital scan, either the cancer is back, or irony of ironies, he's developed another cancer or a brain tumor.
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I think the cancer's back, but I think the montage was also supposed to show that being the boss of everything stopped being fun/exciting. Walt's got his territory on lockdown, but is completely cut off from all the action. He doesn't distribute, he has no competitors, he goes in, makes meth, has Todd do the actual drop-offs, picks up money. It doesn't make him feel alive anymore, and Skyler confronted him with evidence that making more money was pointless.

Then Skyler basically offers him his family back if he'll just stop.

If the cancer really did come back, his choices were basically punching a clock for useless money, or having the family he lost back for whatever time he has left. And Holly is, like, super-cute.
 
iammeiam said:
I think the cancer's back, but I think the montage was also supposed to show that being the boss of everything stopped being fun/exciting. Walt's got his territory on lockdown, but is completely cut off from all the action. He doesn't distribute, he has no competitors, he goes in, makes meth, has Todd do the actual drop-offs, picks up money. It doesn't make him feel alive anymore, and Skyler confronted him with evidence that making more money was pointless.

Then Skyler basically offers him his family back if he'll just stop.

If the cancer really did come back, his choices were basically punching a clock for useless money, or having the family he lost back for whatever time he has left. And Holly is, like, super-cute.
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Lydia gave him another option though, which was to put a great distance between himself and the product that would have allowed him to live a relatively normal life while still growing his empire. Todd would also have been able to handle the local stuff, if necessary, without requiring Walt to do anything. From Walt's point of view, that's a win-win. His empire flourishes and he doesn't have to be so personally involved in it anymore.
 
googleplex said:
Hank's options are two fold:

1. Arrest Walter
2. Kill Water

Option 1. Ruins his own career and drags Walts family name through the mud and financially ruins them.

Option 2. Hanks keeps his career but then he's now a murderer and the man the took his Niece and Nephews father from them.

Both options also just allows someone (possibly) worst then Heisenberg to fill the power vacuum with a much worst product. The people will still get their Meth and allow the cartel to move right back in.

Then there's option 3. Work with Walt. Allow Heisenberg to continue to operate. Control the business from both sides of the law, reduce the violence, and make millions of dollars.
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Hank getting in the wrong side of the law ? Never happening.
 
googleplex said:
Oh, don't shed any tears for her ether! She was the one that was advocating killing two innocent train operators to steal chemicals.
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Don't get me wrong, I think I hate her even more than Walt, but him throwing his kids into the sentence and all that, is low.

I wonder how much of Jesse we'll be seeing from here on out, though.. I already missed him too much this season tbh.
 
Heres how I see season 5.2 playing out.

- Hank rips out page from book to analyze handwriting
- Walt notices
- Walt calls the cleaner and goes on the run
- His cancer is back
- Hank turns to Jesse
- Walt comes back guns ablazin' to save Jesse
- there's also the possibility that those new meth dealers we were introduced to kidnap Jesse, since they know he's a cook too.
 
SeanR1221 said:
Heres how I see season 5.2 playing out.

- Hank rips out page from book to analyze handwriting
- Walt notices
- Walt calls the cleaner and goes on the run
- His cancer is back
- Hank turns to Jesse
- Walt comes back guns ablazin' to save Jesse
- there's also the possibility that those new meth dealers we were introduced to kidnap Jesse, since they know he's a cook too.
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I want this so much. #WaltRedemption /bromance
 
I wonder how Jesse feels about the ten guys who just got offed. He didn't seem horribly disgusted by it, but you could tell it affected him to some degree. Would he have been willing to take a hefty prison sentence if it meant that those ten guys could stay alive? I'm honestly not sure.
 
America is a joke.

2 minutes of bloody violent prison stabfest and setting human beings on fire = OK!

4 seconds of Janet Jackson showing 82% of her breast = WTF OMG THEOFEWJWDJWF)(!@E)!@)E!!! GThe CHIDLREN!!!
 
YoungHav said:
America is a joke.

2 minutes of bloody violent prison stabfest and setting human beings on fire = OK!

4 seconds of Janet Jackson showing 82% of her breast = WTF OMG THEOFEWJWDJWF)(!@E)!@)E!!! GThe CHIDLREN!!!
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The same people that complained about that don't watch Breaking Bad.
 
YoungHav said:
America is a joke.

2 minutes of bloody violent prison stabfest and setting human beings on fire = OK!

4 seconds of Janet Jackson showing 82% of her breast = WTF OMG THEOFEWJWDJWF)(!@E)!@)E!!! GThe CHIDLREN!!!
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I am relatively sure that airing the Prison Murder Montage during the Superbowl Halftime Show eight years ago would have drawn quite a bit of criticism.
 
Just saw it and will surely be echoing everybody by saying this but... the wait for next year is going to be excruciating.

For the first time this season I felt Walt was actually being honest when saying he was out, and being nice to Jesse. Genuine happiness at the end between Skylar and the family. Seems to me that the cancer's back and has changed his outlook. Plus he has stupid amounts of money and isn't finding excitement anymore, as shown by the monotony in the montage. Whatever the cause is, I believed him, which is a tough call as Walt has been so, so fake this season.

Also, I LOVE thank Hank is going to be after Walt for the whole second half. I've been hoping this season would end with Hank putting the pieces together, and I got my wish :D
 
YoungHav said:
America is a joke.

2 minutes of bloody violent prison stabfest and setting human beings on fire = OK!

4 seconds of Janet Jackson showing 82% of her breast = WTF OMG THEOFEWJWDJWF)(!@E)!@)E!!! GThe CHIDLREN!!!
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Err...a better comparison is why does the word fuck get censored when all those murders are ok.
 
re: the timeframe

It seems like several months have passed since Hank's limp is seemingly gone towards the end. Great episode, the book was framed perfectly for the reveal when Walt was in the bathroom.
 
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Puddles said:
I wonder how Jesse feels about the ten guys who just got offed. He didn't seem horribly disgusted by it, but you could tell it affected him to some degree. Would he have been willing to take a hefty prison sentence if it meant that those ten guys could stay alive? I'm honestly not sure.
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Well it obviously affected him considering he had a gun ready in self defense.
 
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH don't post that, I'm going to have nightmares.
I rarely recoil from violence but for some reason those shankings just made me want to curl into a ball.
I also felt like I nearly had a fit watching the episode expecting to see some of the possible crazy shit we've been expecting.
I do wonder how the hell Walter thought he was going to get that ricin into her drink with her noticing.
 
Snuggler said:
Was anyone else laughing uncontrollably during this scene? The dude was all like "no no no no" then FWOOM.
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Laughing? No. Whole sequence was far more tense and uncomfortable than 95% of film and television violence...and that was good as it should be shocking, IMO. Not a fan of .gifs of it on a forum, though.

Also, yeah, it's stupid that cussing, nudity, and sex gets more scrutiny and censorship than on-screen violence. It's been that way forever...America, man.
 
Man. The tension build up for me was enormous when they all sat near the pool laughing. Everyone seemed happy but you just knew something mindblowing was going to happen.
 
MightyHedgehog said:
Laughing? No. Whole sequence was far more tense and uncomfortable than 95% of film and television violence...and that was good as it should be shocking, IMO. Not a fan of .gifs of it on a forum, though.

Also, yeah, it's stupid that cussing, nudity, and sex gets more scrutiny and censorship than on-screen violence. It's been that way forever...America, man.
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What'd you expect? Violence is engrained in culture and religion. Kids learn very early on the bloody sacrifice of Jesus and the story of god's wrath and destruction, but sex is bad and the body is a sinister temptress to sin and corruption. This is the heart of history, even outside America.

(Though personally, I think we've gone too far with both)
 
In a sense I think Walt is gonna enjoy getting caught. That recognition he's gonna get when people find out HE'S THE GREAT HEISENBERG will please him.
 
YoungHav said:
America is a joke.

2 minutes of bloody violent prison stabfest and setting human beings on fire = OK!

4 seconds of Janet Jackson showing 82% of her breast = WTF OMG THEOFEWJWDJWF)(!@E)!@)E!!! GThe CHIDLREN!!!
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I like how a few episodes ago they pixelated a note because it contained a rude word. Then today we get a 2 minute montage of stabbing and murder that doesn't hold back at all.

Edit: I guess I should have refreshed as someone above already mentioned the note.
 
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