Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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Fei said:
If Breaking Bad was a novel, Gus' death was the climax of the series and Season 5 is the epilogue. Doesn't it feel like that? All we've seen in season 5 is the fallout of S4's finale. Walt tries to fill the power void, achieves this but is left unsatisfied. There is no antagonist left (besides Hank I guess, but he's just law enforcement). We're just finding out Walt's fate. I'm still enjoying S5, but it feels like the S4 finale could have been the series finale.
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Season 5 is in no sense the epilogue, it's the falling action of the plot that's causally related to the tragic climax in the Shakespearean asthetic. What sort of novels do you read that simply cease to expound upon the consequences of actions taken preceding the climax? Probably not very good ones.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I feel bad for the people who just caught up. The amateur waiters. I'm professional by now. They are used to cranken em out!
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There's a whole year now for even more people to catch on. The last eight episodes will definitely need an OT2 (if the 20,000 post rule still stands as it does now). Hell, maybe per-episode threads would be better.

If people are planning on re-watching the series before next summer, you could watch roughly one episode per week (with a handful of multi-episode weeks) ahead of the E09 premiere (assuming it starts in July again). Would be a good way to keep scratching the BB itch during the hiatus, although I get that it can be hard to watch just one at a time when you have them all at your disposal.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
the millions don't matter. He wanted the money but that's not why he did it. He did it for the power, to be on top. And now he is. Unobstructed. Hank's case is dead (in his view), he is working with his competitors, no one there to stop him. Jesse is out, Mike is dead. There is literally nothing for him anymore to get his juices flowing. That's what he lived off of.

I'd call the midseason finale a bitersweet one going off of what we know. He re-examines his life, wants out, goes out, then his life unravels as Hank finds out.
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So he wanted power, then when he got it he just decided it wasn't for him and he gave it away? I don't see how you could think that. Walt would never give up power once attained. Nothing he's ever done has indicated that he'd do this.

And again, unobstructed my ass. He can continue to expand his empire, just like every emperor before him. MacBeth didn't go "LOL, jk. Have the crown Malcolm!"

But anyways, we won't find out who's right for a year. I don't know why you're willing to take what Walt says at face value, but it's clear you are. I'm not. Ever. We're arguing from very different understandings of this character and we'll never reconcile that.
 
Just watched the finale, decent episode. Interesting now that Hank knows about Walt.. AFTER Walt quits the game. So now his investigation will be following the money, which I'm sure they'll use as line somewhere in that 'always follow the money'.
 
Is it within the realms of possibility that an agreement can be reached to extend the next season/half of season? I've read interviews where Vince has said when he went back into the writing process he realised 16 episodes isn't quite enough, but that was the agreement and they will have to work to that end.

Also, there were the tweets and general insinuations from the cast that the next part isn't being called Season 5 Part 2, it's now regarded as Season 6.
 
Superimposer said:
Is it within the realms of possibility that an agreement can be reached to extend the next season/half of season? I've read interviews where Vince has said when he went back into the writing process he realised 16 episodes isn't quite enough, but that was the agreement and they will have to work to that end.
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Gotta save some material for the movie
and video game
 
StuBurns said:
Lydia is hot.
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And well-equipped:

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Watching Sunset(S03E06) and Walt is reading the copy "Leaves of Grass" when Hank calls him to ask of Jesse's whereabouts. He tells Walt Jesse is now selling Meth, using an RV as a roving laboratory. This of course allows Walt to get ahead of the situation, ultimately making Hank believe Marie has been in a car accident so they have enough time to destroy the RV.

Also in the same episode Gale quotes a poem to Walt.

When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer by Walt Whitman:

When I heard the learn'd astronomer,
When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me,
When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide,
and measure them,
When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with
much applause in the lecture-room,
How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick,
Till rising and gliding out I wander'd off by myself,
In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time,
Look'd up in perfect silence at the stars.

Amazing, how things come around in this show.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
the millions don't matter. He wanted the money but that's not why he did it. He did it for the power, to be on top. And now he is. Unobstructed. Hank's case is dead (in his view), he is working with his competitors, no one there to stop him. Jesse is out, Mike is dead. There is literally nothing for him anymore to get his juices flowing. That's what he lived off of.
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This is close to what Gilligan and Cranston say in the Inside 508 video.
 
I guess it was kind of abrupt for Walt to finish cooking and halt his empire so abruptly. Damn, this ambiguity is gonna kill me until next year.
 
So, wait ...Walt was Heisenberg all along?!!?
Holy FUCK.

I <3 this show so hard, can't believe we gotta wait til forever to see the last 8 episodes.
T_T 8 episodes, wtf.
 
That theory a few pages ago about walt taking on the attributes of people: goddamn. Goddamn goddamn.
PandaJones said:
So, wait ...Walt was Heisenberg all along?!!?
Holy FUCK.

I <3 this show so hard, can't believe we gotta wait til forever to see the last 8 episodes.
T_T 8 episodes, wtf.
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..huh
 
I like that Vince says Jesse means a lot to Walt, more than he thought. that's something some people here have tried to deny. Yes he has used him but man lets face it, they are bros.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
I like that Vince says Jesse means a lot to Walt, more than he thought. that's something some people here have tried to deny. Yes he has used him but man lets face it, they are bros.
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I don't think he meant it in a good way lol.
 
It was such a relief seeing Walt and Skyler getting along well again. Fuck me, it was the best thing about the episode.
 
I don't understand at all why Walt would ever leave that book in an open place like the bathroom? Considering how incredibly smart and careful he is, that seems incredibly out of character, moronic, and not exactly believable.

On a different note... I can't be the only one who thought that Hank was going to take a big dump, clog the toilet, and to attempt to fix it, lift the back cover of the toilet to find a left over secret cell phone. The book caught me off guard.
 
GremlinFool said:
Sigh.
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sigh what. Vince Gilligan says it, the episode itself pretty much shows it when he goes to visit. They aren't exactly best friends, but these are 2 dudes that have been through a lot together. Walt has done a lot for Jesse and Jesse and has done a lot for Walt. They share a bond that is more complicated than LOLEVILMONSTER WALT MANIPULATING THE JESSEZ.

Has Walt done bad things to jesse, of course. He's done bad things to everybody in his life :P Doesn't mean he doesn't give a shit about anybody. Just means he is insane.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
why? All he is saying that losing Jesse effects him more than he thinks it would/more than he thinks it should. Because obviously there's something there.
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Yeah there was definitely nostalgia, but it was mostly Walt missing how he always did what he told him to do.
 
Dr Eggman said:
Yeah there was definitely nostalgia, but it was mostly Walt missing how he always did what he told him to do.
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now we're reaching. He didn't visit him because he missed manipulating him. There have been many a times throughout the series where we see examples of a connection they share, including Walt referring to his own son as Jesse, among more.

He visited him because there's something there, he mentions it, they been through a lot together, shared ridiculous moments in pivotal moments in both their lives. That's something you don't forget just because you're crazy ol' heisenberg. A theme throughout the episode was Walt taking stock of his own life, and clearly because of the visit and the money he leaves him, he is acknowledging him in a positive way, despite all the bad blood.
 
Fry8 said:
It was such a relief seeing Walt and Skyler getting along well again. Fuck me, it was the best thing about the episode.
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I didn't see them as getting along well, simply coexisting. They weren't at each others throats, but I could never see them getting back together.
Dr. Feel Good said:
I don't understand at all why Walt would ever leave that book in an open place like the bathroom? Considering how incredibly smart and careful he is, that seems incredibly out of character, moronic, and not exactly believable.

On a different note... I can't be the only one who thought that Hank was going to take a big dump, clog the toilet, and to attempt to fix it, lift the back cover of the toilet to find a left over secret cell phone. The book caught me off guard.
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He left it in a drawer in his bedroom. Over the course of three months it moved into the bathroom. which isn't unreasonable considering, during those 3 months, the DEA was completely off Walt's tail. the prison murders tied up loose ends and Hank's higher ups made him pursue other cases. He wasn't in any immediate danger, so it might not have been totally unreasonable to move a book he enjoyed to a bathroom temporarily.
plus, Walt was NEVER careful. he's been fully characterized as rash, short-sighted, and occasionally ingenious.

as for Hank taking a gigantic shit...uh I didn't think of that and that would have been a very long weird scene for all that to happen. maybe someone else did though.

-Pyromaniac- said:
now we're reaching. He didn't visit him because he missed manipulating him. There have been many a times throughout the series where we see examples of a connection they share, including Walt referring to his own son as Jesse, among more.

He visited him because there's something there, he mentions it, they been through a lot together, shared ridiculous moments in pivotal moments in both their lives. That's something you don't forget just because you're crazy ol' heisenberg.
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You're right. Heisenberg completely took walt over and I don't think they could ever continue to get along, but that scene said to me that Walt was maybe beginning to realize how he's changed and what he lost. He'll never be able to get it back and he might never realize fully how destructive he was, but he's beginning to be partially conscious.
 
Dr Eggman said:
Yeah there was definitely nostalgia, but it was mostly Walt missing how he always did what he told him to do.
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I don't think so. Walt and Jessie have a father/son relationship. For a moment Jessie was the only thing he had left (remember when Jessie gave him that watch as a gift?). It's pretty interesting to see how their relationship has evolved throughout the show.
 
IceCold said:
I don't think so. Walt and Jessie have a father/son relationship. For a moment Jessie was the only thing he had left (remember when Jessie gave him that watch as a gift?). It's pretty interesting to see how their relationship has evolved throughout the show.
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Seasons 4 and 5 were a lot about Jesse (no "I" man, please, please no I. there is no I in jesse. he's a male. a male whose name is "jesse") and his "two dads" to me. Mike versus Walt. Jesse was closer to Walt, but his relationship with him was much more abusive and manipulative. And Jesse began to realize that when the two separated, but there is still something there.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
now we're reaching. He didn't visit him because he missed manipulating him. There have been many a times throughout the series where we see examples of a connection they share, including Walt referring to his own son as Jesse, among more.

He visited him because there's something there, he mentions it, they been through a lot together, shared ridiculous moments in pivotal moments in both their lives. That's something you don't forget just because you're crazy ol' heisenberg. A theme throughout the episode was Walt taking stock of his own life, and clearly because of the visit and the money he leaves him, he is acknowledging him in a positive way, despite all the bad blood.
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IceCold said:
I don't think so. Walt and Jessie have a father/son relationship. For a moment Jessie was the only thing he had left (remember when Jessie gave him that watch as a gift?). It's pretty interesting to see how their relationship has evolved throughout the show.
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I agree there's a father/son relationship, but in a very distorted way. They shared amazing moments together, but in the end Walt misses Jesse as a partner as he's more soulful and has more character than Todd. And a partner for Walt is someone that will listen and do whatever he says. He went there with the slight hope Jesse might come back, but left disappointed.
 
I just realized I will have to unsubscribe from this thread if I'm gonna maintain my sanity throughout the next year. I can't be thinking about this show every day!
 
I don't think Whalt went to Jessie's house wanting him to start up again.

They're little recounting of the RV showed they were in a bromance for a short time.

Jessey obviously still fears Waltr though, so I think there are prisoner overtures to their relationship.

I, like others, still want to see a flashback with Jessy and Mr. Whyte in highschool.
 
big ander said:
Seasons 4 and 5 were a lot about Jesse (no "I" man, please, please no I. there is no I in jesse. he's a male. a male whose name is "jesse") and his "two dads" to me. Mike versus Walt. Jesse was closer to Walt, but his relationship with him was much more abusive and manipulative. And Jesse began to realize that when the two separated, but there is still something there.
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Dr Eggman said:
I agree there's a father/son relationship, but in a very distorted way. They shared amazing moments together, but in the end Walt misses Jesse as a partner as he's more soulful and has more character than Todd. And a partner for Walt is someone that will listen and do whatever he says. He went there with the slight hope Jesse might come back, but left disappointed.
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For sure. It was more like a abusive relationship. Mike and Jesse's relationship is interesting to me because it wasn't genuine in the beginning. Gus was using Mike to distance Jesse from Walt. But in the end you could tell Mike had feelings for the kid.
 
All I want to see is the news report in which all the characters like the assistant principal, Bogdan, students, and Albuquerque residents all react to the news that the dorky chemistry teacher who got a lot of charity money for lung cancer was actually a murderer and meth producer.
 
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
 
Saty said:
Such a weak episode to end the season with. And such a terrible ending. Do we really need any more evidence that the show is overrated and has huge writing flaws that would have been ripped apart in every other show?

They should have ended the season with last week's episode. It would have served as a way better season finale. And this episode would have served much better at next season's opener.

The ending was crap. Deux ex machina all over the place. The writers have provided Hank with a present. 'Oh hey, we reached the final season and Hank is no where close to catching Walt so let's drop the evidence into his lap'. Pft.

Who will leave such an evidence lying there in the bathroom that serves anybody who visits the house, including his wife's sister's husband who is the head of the DEA. The both know about the notebook and the dedication written by Gale, but Walter doesn't mind leaving a book with the same style of dedication signed by the initials of a drug-cooker.

The same Walter who dumped half of his house in the opening episode so there won't be any possibility of connecting Gus' death with him, and even dumping the whole poisonous plant.
When it suits the writing team Walt is the cleverest guy in the world. And when it suits them elsewhere Walt is the dumbest guy in the world.
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