Breaking Bad - Season 5, Part 1 - Sundays on AMC

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VegaNine said:
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In the season 5 opener, he takes on the maiden name of Skyler and arranges his birthday bacon just the way she did.
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Ithil said:
Right after shooting him, he realised he could have gotten the names from Lydia the whole time and he needn't have confronted Mike about them, he could have let him escape without incident. He even tries to apologise to Mike before he's told to shut up.

Him sitting staring into space at the start of the episode is a totally diffferent reaction to any other recent death on the show, too. He was on top of the world after killing Gus, whistling uncaring after the kid died, but he was sitting morosely after killing Mike, like he wished he'd handled it differently, whereas he's normally fully assured he did everything perfectly.

Same deal with him missing Jesse and seemingly losing his enthusiasm for cooking, he's lost a lot of the "uncaring kingpin" deal he's been proudly using all season. That might be from cancer returning, or the lack of gratification that ultimately was coming from the business, or whatever, but he has taken a few steps back over the course of the episode (of course he had the people in prison killed, but they're just names on a piece of paper to him, he didn't know any of them, so he is uncaring).
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Well you said throughout this episode and I just don't see it. The sitting staring at the fly maybe, since that's a callback to his reaction to killing Jane. But from there I think he still seemed pretty into continuing the kingpin image until Skylar showed him the pile of money and basically said the only way he'd get his kids back would be to take it as enough. So he at the very least made it seem like he was satisfied now. I don't think he is, but he knows this is the easiest way to get his kids back.
 
maharg, do you think he's gonna continue? Don't you think he grew tired of it after 3 months of no progression?
 
shagg_187 said:
Yep. Walt fucked up. How can he not burn that paper the moment he had the W.W. intervention, it boggles my mind.
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This is the same guy who upon hearing that the DEA was convinced that Heisenberg was dead, proceeded to drunkenly brag that Gale was a hack and the real Heisenberg was still out there, which lead to Hank finding out about Gus, which nearly got the entire White family killed.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
This is the same guy who upon hearing that the DEA was convinced that Heisenberg was dead, proceeded to drunkenly brag that Gale was a hack and the real Heisenberg was still out there, which lead to Hank finding out about Gus, which nearly got the entire White family killed.
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Agree. His ego is what fucked him up.

So... Next episode is a year away? Fuck off, AMC.
 
Huh. Listening to The Ones Who Knock (slashfilm podcast), I forgot Gretchen's full name is Gretchen Black. Imagine if the book is really from her? Would explain Walt's haphazardness with it AND be pretty funny that a complete coincidence is what finally puts Hank on Walt's trail.
 
shadyspace said:
Huh. Listening to The Ones Who Knock (slashfilm podcast), I forgot Gretchen's full name is Gretchen Black. Imagine if the book is really from her? Would explain Walt's haphazardness with it AND be pretty funny that a complete coincidence is what finally puts Hank on Walt's trail.
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Ok.

My mind is full of fuck right now.
 
shadyspace said:
Huh. Listening to The Ones Who Knock (slashfilm podcast), I forgot Gretchen's full name is Gretchen Black. Imagine if the book is really from her? Would explain Walt's haphazardness with it AND be pretty funny that a complete coincidence is what finally puts Hank on Walt's trail.
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Wut. It's Gretchen Schwartz. Schwartz means "black" in German. It's Gale.
 
Av Club review does a good job of explaining why Walt would want to be out at this point.

Not just disappointed, though. Tired. As Heisenberg puts back on his hat and heads back to work, he already looks like a man who has discovered that the prize he worked for isn’t what he imagined. It doesn’t feel like freedom. In fact, it’s a job, and like all jobs, it’s a never-ending treadmill. To the tune of Tommy James and the Shondells’ delicate “Crystal Blue Persuasion,” as an aerial shot shows us tented home after tented home dotting the suburban landscape right up to the desert’s edge, Walt cooks, weighs, divvies up cash, sinks bags of meth in barrels of goop, meets Lydia’s guy, gets loose cash in a straw bag, bundles it, drops it off at the car wash hidden in stacks of soda cans, lathers, rinses, repeats. The barrels fly off to the Czech Republic, cash comes back. Walt’s the boss and the cook and one of only two remaining employees of the operation. He’s not having any fun. He’s beat.


So when Skyler takes him to a storage unit and shows him a hot-tub-sized pile of cash covered with a sheet—cash she says she couldn’t keep up with even to count, much less launder; “more money than we could spend in ten lifetimes”—he’s ready to hear the message. The endless duplication of effort, all to feed the bottomless appetite of an invisible overseas market, has taken its toll. In the end, being the kingpin is just another grind.


So, it would seem, is Skyler’s self-appointed position of enemy within. After three months of visiting the kids at Marie and Hank’s place, she’s ready to seize the opening that Hank’s exhaustion presents to offer a permanent peace treaty. Take the giant pile of money, get out of the meth business, and the kids can come back home so their old life can resume. Walt was too good at what he set out to do. He built the business he dreamed of, but it didn’t give him the sense of power and freedom he had expected. Just like that, he’s ready to stop playing games and readjust his dreams back to what he originally wanted. Family. Security. Peace.
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shadyspace said:
Huh. Listening to The Ones Who Knock (slashfilm podcast), I forgot Gretchen's full name is Gretchen Black. Imagine if the book is really from her? Would explain Walt's haphazardness with it AND be pretty funny that a complete coincidence is what finally puts Hank on Walt's trail.
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Nah...it said "To my OTHER W.W."
The Gale note Hank remembered said "To W.W"

I know you can spin it to be her but I seriously doubt it.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
Av Club review does a good job of explaining why Walt would want to be out at this point.
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You could also compare it with Hank's tree story, which I'm sure is why they put it in the episode. Hank had a job that payed well and was easy, but the daily grind got to him and became boring.

I think Walt misses being constantly in danger by outside forces like he was in Seasons 1-4.
 
OK so I just saw the finale. I could write thousands of words but whatever I would write has probably already been said. That, and I can't really accurately put into words exactly how I feel. Just....

Holy shit
 
Just realized: Hank's Blog should be pretty interesting this week (unless they don't post one), considering how it always plays off the previous episode. Although sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that reads it... I just get a kick out of imagining it with Hank's voice/likeness.
 
vatstep said:
Just realized: Hank's Blog should be pretty interesting this week (unless they don't post one), considering how it always plays off the previous episode. Although sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that reads it... I just get a kick out of imagining it with Hank's voice/likeness.
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You think he updated it while in the bathroom?
 
If Breaking Bad was a novel, Gus' death was the climax of the series and Season 5 is the epilogue. Doesn't it feel like that? All we've seen in season 5 is the fallout of S4's finale. Walt tries to fill the power void, achieves this but is left unsatisfied. There is no antagonist left (besides Hank I guess, but he's just law enforcement). We're just finding out Walt's fate. I'm still enjoying S5, but it feels like the S4 finale could have been the series finale.
 
Fei said:
If Breaking Bad was a novel, Gus' death was the climax of the series and Season 5 is the epilogue. Doesn't it feel like that? All we've seen in season 5 is the fallout of S4's finale. Walt tries to fill the power void, achieves this but is left unsatisfied. There is no antagonist left (besides Hank I guess, but he's just law enforcement). We're just finding out Walt's fate. I'm still enjoying S5, but it feels like the S4 finale could have been the series finale.
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Not true.
 
Dr Eggman said:
maharg, do you think he's gonna continue? Don't you think he grew tired of it after 3 months of no progression?
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Maybe he got tired/bored of the grind but that just means he'd seek the next challenge. Nothing in his character to date leads me to think that he'd have 10 people killed and then just go "oh, hey, this isn't fun anymore I'mma stop now."

He's in the empire business. Cooking being boring doesn't mean the empire is boring.
 
There's no doubt Walt wants to be out of the cooking business. But the empire business? That's less convincing at this stage. Todd is presumably capable enough of cooking on his own now, and Lydia offered Walt the perfect out - a way to basically have his cake and eat it too.
 
Fei said:
If Breaking Bad was a novel, Gus' death was the climax of the series and Season 5 is the epilogue. Doesn't it feel like that? All we've seen in season 5 is the fallout of S4's finale. Walt tries to fill the power void, achieves this but is left unsatisfied. There is no antagonist left (besides Hank I guess, but he's just law enforcement). We're just finding out Walt's fate. I'm still enjoying S5, but it feels like the S4 finale could have been the series finale.
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S1-4 was Walt's climb to power and S5 is his fall.
 
Finally got to watch the finally after coming home from work. Excellent episode and almost literally the calm before the storm. I could barely take the fucking suspense during the pool scene. I figured they were going to get attacked or Holly would somehow drown in the pool.

I'm so glad that Hank finally found out, even if it was by pure coincidence. Hank already felt it in his gut, but now he knows!
 
maharg said:
Maybe he got tired/bored of the grind but that just means he'd seek the next challenge. Nothing in his character to date leads me to think that he'd have 10 people killed and then just go "oh, hey, this isn't fun anymore I'mma stop now."

He's in the empire business. Cooking being boring doesn't mean the empire is boring.
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well he didn't kill them then say fuck it. He killed them then basked in ultimate success for 3 months.

From the Sepinwall review:

When Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept for there were no more worlds to conquer.
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- Hans Gruber in Die Hard.

Of course now he has a new challenge, Hank. But it's one with massive implications/complications.
 
Perfect closer to the first half. Season so far has been incredible, even more consistent than 4. Year long wait for those final episodes is going to be rough.
 
maharg said:
Maybe he got tired/bored of the grind but that just means he'd seek the next challenge. Nothing in his character to date leads me to think that he'd have 10 people killed and then just go "oh, hey, this isn't fun anymore I'mma stop now."

He's in the empire business. Cooking being boring doesn't mean the empire is boring.
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Zeliard said:
There's no doubt Walt wants to be out of the cooking business. But the empire business? That's less convincing at this stage. Todd is presumably capable enough of cooking on his own now, and Lydia offered Walt the perfect out - a way to basically have his cake and eat it too.
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Hmm, you both have a point. I just still think letting Todd cook his product would hurt his pride, even if it was for him. I also can't think of any other way he can expand. It's like he reached that ceiling he first dreamed of when starting out the meth business.
 
-Pyromaniac- said:
well he didn't kill them then say fuck it. He killed them then basked in ultimate success for 3 months.

From the Sepinwall review:

- Hans Gruber in Die Hard.

Of course now he has a new challenge, Hank. But it's one with massive implications/complications.
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The idea that he's achieved ultimate success is silly. He's got millions, more money than he can do anything with, but for people like Walt that's not enough. It also doesn't even remotely match the success of Grey Matter that he lusts after.

And he doesn't *know* that Hank is going to be his new challenge.

Again, no one disputes he's not cooking anymore. But the blue meth is almost certainly still being made and he's almost certainly still in charge of it. Anything else would be ridiculous. Saying otherwise is like saying S4 had a happy 'Walt's done" ending. Which people did, I feel compelled to point out.
 
maharg said:
The idea that he's achieved ultimate success is silly. He's got millions, more money than he can do anything with, but for people like Walt that's not enough. It also doesn't even remotely match the success of Grey Matter that he lusts after.

And he doesn't *know* that Hank is going to be his new challenge.

Again, no one disputes he's not cooking anymore. But the blue meth is almost certainly still being made and he's almost certainly still in charge of it. Anything else would be ridiculous. Saying otherwise is like saying S4 had a happy 'Walt's done" ending. Which people did, I feel compelled to point out.
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the millions don't matter. He wanted the money but that's not why he did it. He did it for the power, to be on top. And now he is. Unobstructed. Hank's case is dead (in his view), he is working with his competitors, no one there to stop him. Jesse is out, Mike is dead. There is literally nothing for him anymore to get his juices flowing. That's what he lived off of.

I'd call the midseason finale a bitersweet one going off of what we know. He re-examines his life, wants out, goes out, then his life unravels as Hank finds out.
 
HOLY SHIT!!!!!! Just watched yesterday episode and damn, it delivered .... it's going to be a loooooong wait until the next year.
 
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