Hindsight bias...
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Hindsight bias...
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Deleted member 81567
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Stet's probably on some crystal blue sensation right now.
You've been projecting the audience's knowledge onto Hank.
I'd hate to have watched this show through your eyes.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Nope. Those subtle looks from Hank have everything to do with him suspecting Walt and Skylar aren't telling him and Marie the entire truth about their problems or where they got the money for cars and shit from.
There has never been any slight hint that he suspected him of being Heisenberg. Not once until right now.
Including himself?! What a plot twist that would have been!
near
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This was the best episode of the season - so far - and perhaps one of the best in the series. The directing, the soundtrack, the writing and dialogue, everything from how each scene built up to the following sequence was genius imo. No complaints what so ever about the ending, it was something set up to be simple yet made complete sense. The best scene was at Hanks house where Walter and Hank are sat down having a drink. I love how that scene ended and it gave an indication to where the story 'seemed' to be heading.
Hank: "I've been thinking about that job more and more lately, maybe I should have enjoyed it more? Tagging trees is a lot better than chasing monsters." Walter: "I use to love to go camping." Both of them are identifying a change of pace, and when Walter finally announces he's out to Skyler, the one thing that prevents he's happy ending was he's sense of achievement and pride in the life he once lead and I think that was by keeping that book. It's poetic much like Leaves of Grass.
I also found the scene where he was having a scan interesting. I'm guessing it was to reaffirm he still had a future. I cannot wait to watch how the series ends, if this episode was any indication of how good of writers these guys are the series finale will not disappoint.
Hank: "I've been thinking about that job more and more lately, maybe I should have enjoyed it more? Tagging trees is a lot better than chasing monsters." Walter: "I use to love to go camping." Both of them are identifying a change of pace, and when Walter finally announces he's out to Skyler, the one thing that prevents he's happy ending was he's sense of achievement and pride in the life he once lead and I think that was by keeping that book. It's poetic much like Leaves of Grass.
I also found the scene where he was having a scan interesting. I'm guessing it was to reaffirm he still had a future. I cannot wait to watch how the series ends, if this episode was any indication of how good of writers these guys are the series finale will not disappoint.
Robot Pants
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Willkiller
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He wanted some help because he physically couldn't do it himself. Nothing more. Even when Walt purposely crashed there was little to no suspicion on Hank's part.
Must be, i cant see how anybody watching the same show as the rest of us can jump to all those conclusions.
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or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I dunno... I'd say it's just as likely that it affirms he does not have a future.
TrumanBurbank
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July 2013 is just crazy. Should have just filmed a 13 episode final season for season 5 instead of torturing us like this.
SCULLIBUNDO
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You're welcome.
Robot Pants
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Also we can assume his cancer is back right? After that MRI, we assume it was him that punched a dent into the towel holder.
Unless it was some other unlucky fellow who got bad news before Walt walked in there.
Unless it was some other unlucky fellow who got bad news before Walt walked in there.
Yes, everybody else is obviously an idiot and missed out on Hank's master plan to catch Walt by feeding Walt inside information into his investigation at every step. You're right.
And I'm the one watching the wrong show.
Christ, I guess Dean's wrong too. I should stop watching how actors play characters.
Infinite Justice
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Huh? he was joking like he usually does when he talks to Walt.
The only scene that could remotely pass was after Gus died and Hank's superior officer was talking. And even then the only hint he got was that it could be someone he least have expected.
SCULLIBUNDO
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What? That was from the first time Walt found out he was clean. The hospital staff are just lazy and never replaced it.
That dent is from S1
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Deleted member 81567
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That's called speculation not delusion.
A weird chemist with the initials "W.W." who was oddly interested in a methamphetamine bust, interrupts multiple important police activities involving Hank, has had massive health and family issues, who comes into possession of a business after working dead-end jobs, and is always right in the back of Hank's mind. Not contrived at all that he finds fairly conclusive evidence (the most important aspect of which has never been seen before) in the mid-season finale of the final season while on the toilet. On a show with clear examples of writer's tomfoolery and an ending in mind with no end-date. Opinion is from Neptune confirmed.
Robot Pants
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Oh well shit, I don't remember that at all. Was a long time ago.
My bad.
Willkiller
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Oh c'mon we're just discussing it. The fact that there is so much to interpret in the characters motivation is part of why I love this show so much.
I just think in the case of you thinking Hank has suspected Walt as Heisenberg before the infamous shit you've simply mis-interpreted some scenes.
It was Hank that planted the crushed dispenser.
Now you know and knowing is half the battle.
Gonna quote this again because people seem to be selectively ignoring it.
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Subconsciously, sure. He never truly shows it though.
Read the final sentence, its Deans opinion based on facts the character has no access to.
Again you seem to inject information to the chacters and judge their actions on that.
near
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I mean in terms of where the story seemed to be heading with him tying up all he's loose ends before announcing he's out that's what that scene seem to imply to me. But I guess you can look at it from both perspectives, in the end he's out of luck and he's future looks bleak.
Willkiller
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Actors have opinions too. That doesn't make them fact. At this point they know just as much as us.
Part of acting is having subconscious influences. I'm not saying I'm right. Sorry that I read a character's glances the way an actor played him, but I guess I'm as wrong as Dean. That's all I'm saying. It's pretty awful for people to say "WHAT SHOW HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING" and "UGH I'D HATE TO WATCH THROUGH YOUR EYES" when I'm watching the characterization an actor gives his role.
"There has never been any slight hint that he suspected him of being Heisenberg. Not once until right now."
Okay? I didn't post that.
TheChewyWaffles
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It's hard to argue it was suspicion in Hank's eyes. Very hard.
The last 5 minutes were really effective TV. Walt's out of the business, has made amends with Jesse and informed his wife of his decision. All seems well for just a few minutes, but you know it isn't going to last. I was on the edge of my seat during the dinner party. I thought maybe Walt couldn't resist dropping one more ego-inflating comment that might get Hank suspicious, I and was really cheering for him not to. He didn't, thank God. The book discovery in the restroom is just one piece of a larger puzzle that Hank is going to have to piece together during the next 8 episodes. He won't even mention anything to Walt before they leave the dinner party (if the series picks up there next year), he'll just go away quietly and start to investigate the case surreptitiously. And as others have mentioned, he'll have doubts and concerns over whether or not he's doing the right thing, etc etc. and that internal struggle will make for really good drama. I can't wait!
His influence clearly adds to the tension, but that doesn't do anything for the plausibility that Hank at any point had a legitamate reason to think Walt is Heisenberg.
If you look back through the thread when that episode aired a lot of people were hypothethizing that Hank knew all along, but it has never made any sense whatsoever.
He's never said it was the writers' intentions. Only that he interpreted the character's actions in the same way in which the actor that plays said character does. Your comment is grasping at straws to try to pin something on him. At least that's how it appeared to me.
And that's why you shouldn't take artist (whether actor or writer or producer) with anything but a grain of salt. Dean Norris was playing it that way, but that doesn't mean that's where the total sum of the show has been. It's been clear for a while now that gears are turning in Hank's head about Walt, but whether that was a general "wtf is up with this guy" or a "could he be W.W.?" was open to interpretation. Now we know that it was almost certainly the former.
Even Vince's "Mr. Chips to Scarface" quote should be taken with a grain of salt. If the show goes a different direction because of the sum of everything involved in making it or because of how the audience interprets it, that's life.
SCULLIBUNDO
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WALT WANTED ME TO BRING HIM COFFEE IN THE MCU
Willkiller
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Yes but again that doesn't make it the directors intention. If we were supposed to think Hank has suspected Walt before you can bet Vince would have made sure of it, it seems clear to me that he never intended for that until now. The fact that you are in the minority in having this opinion must surely stand for something too, unless we're all missing out on something.
I'll concede that I think the thought has crossed hank's mind before the toilet, when he was in the office talking with his boss about the case that was 'right under his nose' then there was almost the same look on Hank's face that he had when he read the book. That was intentional, I think we were supposed to think 'oh shit' then. That was the first moment and the toilet was the second.
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It's such an interesting dynamic going forward. Hank knows that Walt is Heisenberg, but what he doesn't know is EVERYTHING Walt has done, how he has done it, and so on. And Walt has no idea that Hank knows anything right now.
Anxiously awaiting their confrontation when everything is out on the table. Which Walt are we gonna see at that point.
Anxiously awaiting their confrontation when everything is out on the table. Which Walt are we gonna see at that point.
Personally, I think Hank was written to be oblivious until last night, but that Norris played him with a subconscious awareness. The scenarios that Hank was placed in with Walt gave Norris plenty of room give that impression. I think either viewpoint is correct.
But to me, the moment Hank looks up from the book (and we see the flashback to the scene where Hank pokes at Walt) is Hank realizing that his buried intuition was right all along.
But to me, the moment Hank looks up from the book (and we see the flashback to the scene where Hank pokes at Walt) is Hank realizing that his buried intuition was right all along.
The Janitor
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I'm the one grasping at straws here? Okie dokie.
Post quoted for the new page. I'd like one of the people who've said or insinuated that I'm trolling respond to it.
I think that this is very different from what you were saying before. Yeah, this I can agree with, but to say that Hank gave Walt advance notice (which would give Walt the opportunity to cover his tracks, as he did in the show) in order to see if he slips is absurd. If Hank truly suspected Walt (consciously), there's no way that he would take Walt into confidence as he did. Hank could have had anyone else drive him around and he might've made some real inroads in his investigation. On the other hand, what are the two most probable outcomes of showing his hand to Walt? 1. Walt covers up all of the evidence, as he did; 2. Walt has Hank killed.
But sure, Hank suspecting him at a subconscious level is reasonable.
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