Netanyahu: World has no "moral right" to stop Israel from attacking Iran

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Prime Minister Netanyahu is right in my view... I am against war but didn't the Iranian President claim that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map?

Perfectly understandable why Israel would be fearful of a Nuclear Iran.
 
Can't say. The only thing that has seemingly succeeded in making any impact on the rate of Iran's progress to nuke-dom was Stuxnet.

I would disagree with this fence sitting and say, unequivocally, that sanctions have put them further behind.

Of course, you can debate how much further behind. It could be 1 month, 1 year, or 5 years. But I don't think there is any question that they have been delayed; only a question of how much.

But again, if the reality is that delay is the only outcome -- whether through diplomacy, sanctions, or war -- they why not leverage the approach that doesn't actually put lives on the line?

Why give the Islamists another propaganda tool and a cause to fight for?
 
If ahmadinejad would stop calling them germs, denying the holocaust, brooding over them, and, most of all, constantly predicting their demise at every venue, home or abroad, then Israel probably wouldn't give two shits about Iran. I would be worried too.
 
Also, lol, is there any part of "historic" Israel that's currently part of Iran? If so, then Israel might have some territory in mind.
 
Prime Minister Netanyahu is right in my view... I am against war but didn't the Iranian President claim that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map?

Perfectly understandable why Israel would be fearful of a Nuclear Iran.

Not really. In Farsi he said Israel will be wiped from the pages of time, ala the Soviet Union. Not that they want to massacre millions of Jews.
 
As has been stated many times, the fear of a potential Iranian government strike is of secondary concern.

Everyone seems to be good at telling Israel what not to do, but the only suggestions for what to do are "keep waiting, maybe sanctions might work one of these years" or "give up your own nuclear arsenal/deterrent, can't hurt right?"

Yeah, that's called diplomacy. It involves sometimes not attacking people right away, which I understand is a confusing new idea for you. Is your primary goal controlling Iran, or neutralizing and preventing military threats to Israel? Because the best way to do the second one is through diplomatic engagement, encouragement of moderation and adherence to the IAEA principles, and if absolutely necessary creation of an international coalition to oversee any required military action. And I guess continued covert assassination of scientists, if you feel like that's necessary, and I suspect you do.

Also Bibi is the Prime Minister of Israel, not Iran. The safety and well-being of the Israeli people is kinda his no 1 priority.

If that were true, he would be recognizing Palestine and making peace with the Arab world.
 
Prime Minister Netanyahu is right in my view... I am against war but didn't the Iranian President claim that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map?

Perfectly understandable why Israel would be fearful of a Nuclear Iran.

I'm pretty sure it was shown to be a mistranslation. Even if not, it's Ahmadinejad, he says stupid shit and isn't the real power in that country.

I view their rhetoric in the same vain as hawkish rhetoric anywhere else. Iran isn't an irrational actor. They know the consequences of their actions and they, like other countries, also know the value of having nuclear capabilities.
 
I would disagree with this fence sitting and say, unequivocally, that sanctions have put them further behind.

Of course, you can debate how much further behind. It could be 1 month, 1 year, or 5 years. But I don't think there is any question that they have been delayed; only a question of how much.

But again, if the reality is that delay is the only outcome -- whether through diplomacy, sanctions, or war -- they why not leverage the approach that doesn't actually put lives on the line?

Why give the Islamists another propaganda tool and a cause to fight for?

Well you could be right, I would suppose Bibi would argue a military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities would be a considerably longer term delay rather than any short term delay that may have been bought via sanctions.

The US, for what it's worth, aren't necessarily against this kind of military action at all. Only presently, choosing to wait for a little longer instead, presumably to ride out elections etc.

Also bare in mind, the Saudis are probably more against Iran getting nukes than even Israel. The Arab World is very divided, especially as Iran continues to prop up Assad as his regime continues to ruthlessly slaughter thousands of their own civilians.

Didn't that fuck up eventually? I thought I'd heard that the virus "got loose"

Kinda, though it did do some good to begin with, by Iran's own admission it stalled them for a year or so.
 
Not really. In Farsi he said Israel will be wiped from the pages of time, ala the Soviet Union. Not that they want to massacre millions of Jews.

Arabs see israelis as colonizers; I think they believe that the israelis will eventually leave in the same manner that the british and the turks did.
 
Not really. In Farsi he said Israel will be wiped from the pages of time, ala the Soviet Union. Not that they want to massacre millions of Jews.

Lots of mistranslations

Sky news

Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called Israel's existence an "insult to all humanity", in one of his sharpest attacks yet on the Jewish state.

As Israel openly debates whether to attack Iran over its nuclear programme, Mr Ahmadinejad launched the stinging rebuke, saying confronting Israel is an effort to "protect the dignity of all human beings".

"The existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to all humanity," Mr Ahmadinejad said, in a speech to mark Quds (Jerusalem) Day, an anti-Israeli demonstration in solidarity with Palestinians.

Mr Ahmadinejad said that Israel is a "cancerous tumour" that will soon be finished off.

His address to worshippers at Tehran University was broadcast live on state television as part of nationwide government-organised protests.

Quds Day has been an annual event during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan in Iran ever since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

State television said millions of Iranians joined the marches across the country this year. Some demonstrators carried a coffin with pictures of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders.

Iranian protesters also shouted "Death to America, death to Israel" and burned American and Israeli flags in the rallies.

In his speech, Mr Ahmadinejad called for Muslim unity to foil Western support for Israel.

"You want a new Middle East? We do too, but in the new Middle East ... there will be no trace of the American presence and the Zionists," he said.

Mr Ahmadinejad called Israel "a corrupt, anti-human organised minority group standing up to all divine values".

"Today, confronting the existence of the fabricated Zionist regime is in fact protecting the rights and dignity of all human beings," he said, with a black and white scarf, which many Palestinians wear, around his neck.

Israel, thought to be the Middle East's only nuclear-armed power, sees Iran's nuclear activities as a threat to its existence and has repeatedly threatened military action if diplomacy fails to resolve the issue.

Mr Ahmadinejad, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other Iranian leaders have made repeated calls for Israel's destruction.

Iran has denied allegations that it is seeking to build nuclear weapons, saying its nuclear programme is peaceful and aimed at producing electricity and radioisotopes used to treat cancer patients.

Iran has warned it would hit back at Israel if it is attacked, also threatening to strike at American interests in the region.

Israel and Iran have been bitter enemies for decades, but tensions have intensified since 2005 when Mr Ahmadinejad said that Israel will one day be "wiped off the map".


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Khamenei: Zionist regime will disappear from map

With the US sending clear public signals to Israel that it is opposed to military action now against Iran, and a cacophonous debate on the matter in Israel, senior Iranian officials continue to threaten Israel with destruction.

Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei said Wednesday that he was confident "the fake Zionist (regime) will disappear from the landscape of geography,” Iran's Mehr News Agency reported.

Khamenei made the comments during a meeting with veterans of the Iran-Iraq War.

"The light of hope will shine on the Palestinian issue, and this Islamic land will certainly be returned to the Palestinian nation," Khamenei was quoted as saying.

Earlier on Wednesday Brig.- Gen. Gholamreza Jalali, the head of Iran's Passive (civil) Defense Organization and a former commander of the Revolutionary Guards, during a speech ahead of Al-Quds Day, an anti-Israel event initiated by Iran, said that in order to liberate Palestine there was no other option but to destroy Israel.

"[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel," Jalali said, according to a report by Iran's ISNA news agency.

The report was also picked up by other news outlets including Mashregh News, which is affiliated to the Revolutionary Guards.

Al-Quds Day is an annual Iranian anti-Zionist event established in 1979 by Ayatollah Khomeini and which falls this year on August 17. Iran also seeks to export the event to other Muslim countries.

Jalali said that the message of Khomeini's Al-Quds Day initiative was that the Muslim world must support the "oppressed people of Palestine" in a show of resistance against "the Zionist usurpers."

The Passive Defense Organization head added that the Islamic Revolution was a "beacon of light" and that the plight of the Palestinians was not forgotten.

Calling on Muslims to rally on Al-Quds Day, he expressed hope that the Islamic world would be "strong against the Zionist threat," adding that the "Islamic front in Syria has been strengthened," presumably a reference to Iran's support for Syrian President Bashar Assad's regime.

An Israeli government official responded to Jalali's comments by saying it was simply a "reaffirmation of what we continually hear from the Iranian leadership."

The official said that the statement was "not an aberration," and that Israel was taking the Iranian threat very seriously. "We urge others to do the same," he said. "The Iranians use unequivocal language, and their words speak for themselves."

The official said that it would be in the interest of Iran's leadership to rein in these comments in at this time to reduce international pressure, and the fact that Iran's leaders continue to utter such remarks just shows the degree to which they actually believe them.

The official, meanwhile, dismissed a report on a left-wing, anti-Netanyahu blog called Tikun Olam Wednesday purporting to have "an Israeli briefing document outlining Israel's war plans against Iran." The blogger, Richard Silverstein, said the document "feels" like it came "from the shop of national security advisor Yaakov Amidror, a former general, settler true believer and Bibi confidant. It could also have been produced by Defense Minister Barak, another pro-war booster."

According to Silverstein the document talks about a coordinated strike that will include an "unprecedented cyber-attack" that will totally paralyze the Iranian regime, as well as a barrage of ballistic missiles launched from Israel and Israeli submarines near the Persian Gulf. IAF planes, according to the "document," will be armed with electronic warfare gear previously unknown even to the US that will render the planes "invisible."

One government official said there is "a lot of press speculation out there, and everyone has their 'secret source.' It is not the government's policy to comment on any piece of speculation."

Ynetnews

Iran commander 'welcomes' possible Israeli strike

Head of Revolutionary Guard's air force says Israeli strike against Iran's nuclear facilities would give Tehran a reason to retaliate and 'get rid of' Jewish state 'forever'
A senior Iranian commander says a possible Israeli airstrike against his country's nuclear facilities is "welcome" because it would give Iran a reason to retaliate and "get rid of" the Jewish state "forever."

The remarks by Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, head of the Revolutionary Guard's air force, were reported Saturday by the official IRNA news agency.

Hajizadeh says in the event of an Israeli strike, Iran's response would be "swift, decisive and destructive."

But he also claims Israeli threats of a strike are just part of a psychological war against Iran.

His comments are the latest in a war of words between the archenemies.

On Friday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denounced Israel and said that "The very existence of the Zionist regime is an insult to humanity."

In the speech which was broadcast live on Iranian TV in honor of al-Quds Day Ahmadinejad added that "The western powers cannot tolerate criticism of the Zionist regime. They feel compelled to defend it."
 
There were reports that they actually provided Israel with fuel for its jets during the 2006 Lebanon war. I don't see this as that far fetched. KSA and Israel have been dealing under the table for a while now.

I wouldn't be surprised about this. also KSA government have spent millions buying weapons and aircraft from America and others for years now.

they buy all these weapons but refuse to use them.

Read this

http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/a...udi-arabia-western-lackeys-have-had-their-day
 
If there were no sanctions, do you believe that Iran would be further ahead, further behind, or exactly where they are now?

History has typically shown in many cases that sanctions do nothing but hurt the innocent civilian population while the ruling class and Military do just fine.
 
There's no chance Iran will attack Israel directly, with conventional weapons let alone nuclear.

As someone rightfully pointed out to me earlier in the thread it's all about low-level state sponsored terrorism.

And, as sad as it is to say it, retaliating for that with massive military intervention, let alone a war is the wrong thing to do.

EDIT: Is it not sad that the only solutions being tabled are killing people or weak sanctions?
 
If ahmadinejad would stop calling them germs, denying the holocaust, brooding over them, and, most of all, constantly predicting their demise at every venue, home or abroad, then Israel probably wouldn't give two shits about Iran. I would be worried too.

Ahmadinejad has virtually no real power in Iran.
 
That one's old hat, here he is saying pretty specifically what he thinks of Jews and what will happen to them. Also with amusing picture.


Zionists =/= Jews.

He wishes the Israeli regime death like the rest of the world wishes the Iranian regime death.
 
Zionists =/= Jews.

He wishes the Israeli regime death like the rest of the world wishes the Iranian regime death.

Uh, there's like millions of Zionists in Israel dude. Most Jews there are Zionists. Hell there's quite a few Christian Zionists and Druze Zionists. Are you ok with him getting rid of them?

“The Zionist regime and the Zionists are a cancerous tumour..

The nations of the region will soon finish off the usurper Zionists in the Palestinian land…. A new Middle East will definitely be formed. With the grace of God and help of the nations, in the new Middle East there will be no trace of the Americans and Zionists,”
 
Uh, there's like millions of Zionists in Israel dude. Most Jews there are Zionists. Hell there's quite a few Christian Zionists and Druze Zionists. Are you ok with him getting rid of them?

Isn't every jew in Israel a zionist?

But, yeah, even some bedouins are zionist.
 
Arabs see israelis as colonizers; I think they believe that the israelis will eventually leave in the same manner that the british and the turks did.

Well the Arabs who decided to revolt against the Ottoman Khilafah state by so helping the British made themselves look real stupid.

The Ottoman caliphate was not a foreign occupying force.

It was a Islamic state and not a Turkish one.

Also Muslims worldwide see Israel as an illegal occupying state. its not just Arabs who have a problem with the Israeli state's existence.
 
But then again, Israel can't defy the words of both Russia and China at the same time.

Iran is backed by Russia and China

Israel backed by USA and Europe

No one is going to attack anyone between Iran and Israel.
 
Well the Arabs who decided to revolt against the Ottoman Khilafah state by so helping the British made themselves look real stupid.

The Ottoman caliphate was not a foreign occupying force.

It was a Islamic state and not a Turkish one.

Also Muslims worldwide see Israel as an illegal occupying state. its not just Arabs who have a problem with the Israeli state's existence.

If they aren't bedouin then they generally consider themselves palestinian, and, you know, not ottoman. Considering that, it makes perfect sense that they overthrew the ottomans with the British.
 
Not really. In Farsi he said Israel will be wiped from the pages of time, ala the Soviet Union. Not that they want to massacre millions of Jews.

I'm pretty sure it was shown to be a mistranslation. Even if not, it's Ahmadinejad, he says stupid shit and isn't the real power in that country.

I view their rhetoric in the same vain as hawkish rhetoric anywhere else. Iran isn't an irrational actor. They know the consequences of their actions and they, like other countries, also know the value of having nuclear capabilities.

M.D. listed plenty of examples that Israel would be understandably worried about.


Zionism is a belief in the context he is using it so no, not every Jew in Israel is a Zionist
True not all Jewish people are Zionists, however why is Zionism/ Zionists considered so bad?Alls Zionism is, is the belief in a Jewish-state, given the persecution of Jewish people throughout history do you not think a safe haven is warranted?

Can we please stop kissing Israel's ass

So support for a country that is considered one of our most important allies is "kissing ***"? Also I have not even seen people say they support the US invading Iran or praising Prime Minister Netanyahu's statement but would understand Israel attempting to prevent Iran from gaining Nuclear warheads.
 
Uh, there's like millions of Zionists in Israel dude. Most Jews there are Zionists. Hell there's quite a few Christian Zionists and Druze Zionists. Are you ok with him getting rid of them?

Ah yes you're right, he's also referring to the Israeli population I guess.
 
Uh, there's like millions of Zionists in Israel dude. Most Jews there are Zionists. Hell there's quite a few Christian Zionists and Druze Zionists. Are you ok with him getting rid of them?

Again though, let's be rational here, as inflammatory as it is it's rhetoric.

Ahmadinejad is not the supreme leader, he doesn't call all the shots, he's mostly a figure head when it comes to international decision making and foreign policy.

Iran is a rational actor. Even if they acquired a nuke they aren't dumb enough to use it. They want one for the leverage it brings with it. I'm all for stalling or trying eliminate it but brute force is the wrong answer right now. It will create a shitstorm that if it doesn't lead to a direct war immediately will lead to a longterm unconventional conflict of proxy wars and terrorism. Dragging untold lives and resources and will have unforeseen consequences for at least a generation. Bombing Iran is one dangerous path to go down.
 
M.D. listed plenty of examples that Israel would be understandably worried about.



True not all Jewish people are Zionists, however why is Zionism/ Zionists considered so bad?Alls Zionism is, is the belief in a Jewish-state, given the persecution of Jewish people throughout history do you not think a safe haven is warranted?

Again, if that rhetoric had teeth and Iran was as irrational as their rhetoric paints them we would already have a war by now somewhere and somehow.
 
Again though, let's be rational here, as inflammatory as it is it's rhetoric.

Ahmadinejad is not the supreme leader, he doesn't call all the shots, he's mostly a figure head when it comes to international decision making and foreign policy.

Iran is a rational actor. Even if they acquired a nuke they aren't dumb enough to use it. They want one for the leverage it brings with it. I'm all for stalling or trying eliminate it but brute force is the wrong answer right now. It will create a shitstorm that if it doesn't lead to a direct war immediately will lead to a longterm unconventional conflict of proxy wars and terrorism. Dragging untold lives and resources and will have unforeseen consequences for at least a generation. Bombing Iran is one dangerous path to go down.

Still, Ahmadinejad shouldn't be saying that kind of shit. But, Israel realizes that they aren't about to go to war with Iran unless they want to go to war with Iran. The real problem is that it will be harder for the Iranian people to revolt against the theocracy in place if the country's leadership obtains nuclear arms. Israel doesn't give a fuck about that, though.
 
Iran gaining the bomb would not be good for the region or the world. Non proliferation is an absolute priority (I'm not war mongering by saying this, or advocating strikes, I'm just stating the obvious). Beyond that, reducing nuclear arsenals à la START, and even persuading countries to give up their nuclear arsenal should be encouraged.

In this context, Iran should put the pressure right back on Israel and publicly announce that they will only enter negotiations to stop their nuclear ambitions if the IAEA are allowed free access to both countries stocks. Iran really need some better PR guys.

Or of course Israel could be the "bigger man" and offer to sign the NPT and a treaty with Iran, allowing IAEA full access to both countries. That's all it would take, either Israel or Iran to stop the brinkmanship, take a chance and be the bigger man. Drawing comparisons between the countries is pointless, but Israel being a heavily armed, westernised democracy with the USA slurping on their proverbial dick, should really be better than this.
 
True not all Jewish people are Zionists, however why is Zionism/ Zionists considered so bad?Alls Zionism is, is the belief in a Jewish-state, given the persecution of Jewish people throughout history do you not think a safe haven is warranted?

Because the area that the Zionists selected for their safe haven happened to contain a large number of people who were neither Zionist nor Jewish who weren't all that interested in living in a state that wasn't for them.
 
Again though, let's be rational here, as inflammatory as it is it's rhetoric.

Ahmadinejad is not the supreme leader, he doesn't call all the shots, he's mostly a figure head when it comes to international decision making and foreign policy.

Iran is a rational actor. Even if they acquired a nuke they aren't dumb enough to use it. They want one for the leverage it brings with it. I'm all for stalling or trying eliminate it but brute force is the wrong answer right now. It will create a shitstorm that if it doesn't lead to a direct war immediately will lead to a longterm unconventional conflict of proxy wars and terrorism. Dragging untold lives and resources and will have unforeseen consequences for at least a generation. Bombing Iran is one dangerous path to go down.

Khomeini is the real power behind the machine, of course. Here's a good breakdown of all the anti-Israel/Zionist/Jews rhetoric from both him and Ahmadinejad in the last month alone.

But yeah, it IS just rhetoric as you say. Still I personally (and I'm sure you would agree with me) can understand why Bibi is so adamant that Iran not have nuclear weapons given this rhetoric and the horrific consequences such a development would have on the Middle East as a whole.

Bombing Iran is dangerous and I really don't want Israel to go to war. The only other option presumably is to tighten sanctions and indeed start stating red lines to put the pressure on. That is what Bibi is after for the moment IMO.

Because the area that the Zionists selected for their safe haven happened to contain a large number of people who were neither Zionist nor Jewish who weren't all that interested in living in a state that wasn't for them.

It also happened to contain a large number of people who were both Zionist and Jewish.
 
I hope Iran gets nukes for the simple reason that israel will think twice before attacking another neighbouring country. Nukes are like your ultimate shield. The guy accross the room will think twice before fuckin with you
 
Again, if that rhetoric had teeth and Iran was as irrational as their rhetoric paints them we would already have a war by now somewhere and somehow.

Its easy to sit back and criticize Israel but they are in a situation where rockets fire into their country and many countries have a target on their back. Of course they are going to take threats from a country that makes all those statements more serious when said country is pursuing a nuclear program.

I am just saying I think people are being unfair in condemning Israel.
 
Its easy to sit back and criticize Israel but they are in a situation where rockets fire into their country and many countries have a target on their back. Of course they are going to take threats from a country that makes all those statements more serious when said country is pursuing a nuclear program.

I am just saying I think people are being unfair in condemning Israel.

Country-ism?

Bibby-ism?
 
Its easy to sit back and criticize Israel but they are in a situation where rockets fire into their country and many countries have a target on their back. Of course they are going to take threats from a country that makes all those statements more serious when said country is pursuing a nuclear program.

I am just saying I think people are being unfair in condemning Israel.

In case you never heard, israel got the most advanced military in the middle east and they are sitting on land they colonised from 70 years ago and to this day hold a million people hostage in gaza.

And you really ought to pay attention if you seriously think iran is stupid enough to attack israel with or without nukes. Israel has enough nukes to vapourise the entire middle east. And yet you call them the victim?
 
Bombing Iran is dangerous and I really don't want Israel to go to war. The only other option presumably is to tighten sanctions and indeed start stating red lines to put the pressure on. That is what Bibi is after for the moment IMO.

Tightening sanctions would only make the centrifuges spin harder. Iran isn't going to make the same mistake as Qadaffi.

Iran has been willing to negotiate with the US for over a decade (even willing to drop Hamas/Hezbollah and make proper relations with Israel; Iran Grand Bargain 2003). The only thing US has to do is come up with a good deal that would benefit both parties.
 
Iran gaining the bomb would not be good for the region or the world. Non proliferation is an absolute priority (I'm not war mongering by saying this, or advocating strikes, I'm just stating the obvious). Beyond that, reducing nuclear arsenals à la START, and even persuading countries to give up their nuclear arsenal should be encouraged.

In this context, Iran should put the pressure right back on Israel and publicly announce that they will only enter negotiations to stop their nuclear ambitions if the IAEA are allowed free access to both countries stocks. Iran really need some better PR guys.

Or of course Israel could be the "bigger man" and offer to sign the NPT and a treaty with Iran, allowing IAEA full access to both countries. That's all it would take, either Israel or Iran to stop the brinkmanship, take a chance and be the bigger man. Drawing comparisons between the countries is pointless, but Israel being a heavily armed, westernised democracy with the USA slurping on their proverbial dick, should really be better than this.

You know why people first fought with hands, then with rocks, then with hand made weapons, then with swords, spears, halberds, then with guns, then with chemicals? If you want to absolute nuclear non proliferation you've to give the people an even more dangerous weapon. Killing each other is a part of human nature and it's only more driven by various platforms.

Realistically, there is a much greater chance of a war between the countries before another nuclear bomb is decommissioned. The question is, will US back Israel under Obama administration, if a preemptive strike was initiated by them? Can US afford to get tangled in another un-winnable war? Granted the PMCs and private weapons manufacturers will make an ungodly amount of money from the bloodshed but what about the rest of tax paying public?
 
True not all Jewish people are Zionists, however why is Zionism/ Zionists considered so bad?Alls Zionism is, is the belief in a Jewish-state, given the persecution of Jewish people throughout history do you not think a safe haven is warranted?

The issue is that Zionism is a belief in a Jewish only state, which combined with Israels policies, causes apartheid

Obviously Israel deserves a country and I cant even blame them for their extreme hawkishness considering the circumstances. If anything, the Western powers are to blame for creating the situation, but Israels actions towards the Palestinians are so extremely cruel and their attitude towards the rest of the world is so spiteful that something must be done
 
So support for a country that is considered one of our most important allies is "kissing ***"? Also I have not even seen people say they support the US invading Iran or praising Prime Minister Netanyahu's statement but would understand Israel attempting to prevent Iran from gaining Nuclear warheads.

Well, I don't see any way our alliance with Israel benefits us. All I've seen them give us in return are headaches.
 
It also happened to contain a large number of people who were both Zionist and Jewish.

Eventually it did, after concerted efforts to make that happen.

That's not really relevant to the point, though. If black people living in Mississippi decided that Mississippi should be their safe haven, be renamed Blackistan, and should forever remain majority-black, I'd expect white people living there to be a bit put out.
 
The issue is that Zionism is a belief in a Jewish only state, which combined with Israels policies, causes apartheid

That's not actually zionism at all, but a strawman. Zionism is nothing more than the support for a Jewish nation state in the land of Israel. Nothing about Jewish "only", especially given the near-2 million Israeli citizens who aren't actually Jewish.

Tightening sanctions would only make the centrifuges spin harder. Iran isn't going to make the same mistake as Qadaffi.

Iran has been willing to negotiate with the US for over a decade (even willing to drop Hamas/Hezbollah and make proper relations with Israel; Iran Grand Bargain 2003). The only thing US has to do is come up with a good deal that would benefit both parties.

I agree to an extent, but it just seems like they want to keep playing the sanctions game :\

Eventually it did, after concerted efforts to make that happen.

That's not really relevant to the point, though. If black people living in Mississippi decided that Mississippi should be their safe haven, be renamed Blackistan, and should forever remain majority-black, I'd expect white people living there to be a bit put out.

No eventually about it. Jews were a majority in Jerusalem for centuries and aliyah, Jews moving to live in the land of Israel, started long before the state came around; See here.

EDIT: Indeed, the Arabs complained quite a bit to the British Mandate to get them to LIMIT aliyah rates, given how many were moving there. All pre-state.
 
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