Bayonetta 2 - WiiU (Director: Yusuke Hashimoto, Pub: Nintendo, Supervision:Kamiya)
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Thunder Monkey
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It's not exactly a strawman.
If you're opposed to it coming out on WiiU, the only alternative was not. Hell our too reasonable for this forum insider was shocked. He was told unequivocally that it wasn't coming out. That means Sega had said "We pass." Considering the... muted sales of the first, it isn't likely another publisher was going to pick it up.
So it's WiiU or not at all.
thebaroness
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This is truth, but that doesn't mean she's just a low tier co-op partner! She's more than that
I think it is because there are some people (very few, but still some) on this thread who seem very accusational, as if Nintendo stole the franchise from the other platforms. That is just the way I interpret some of the posts on here. It sucks that the game will only be on Wii U, but it is very cool that it is happening at all.
It's a bit of stretch based on people not reacting with "Bayo 2 is being made SO AWESOME!" and instead saying "noooo not WiiU." If people can only post their negative feelings, and nothing positive, people jump to wild conclusions.
I meant a "real" Valkyria, on a home console, and the Wii U controller would work wonderfully with it.
But you are not wrong about SoA 2. After over a decade, I had finally given up hope... sniff...
shinra-bansho
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The strawman is in the implication that expression of displeasure is equivalent to preferring it never come out. It's a running undercurrent in the thread.
There seems to be this idea that one can't be reasonably disappointed.
I'm not opposed to it coming out on the Wii U. I'm fully aware of it being Nintendo funded.
That being said I don't intend to get a Wii U (or any console at launch).
Ergo, I'm mildly disappointed I won't be able to play the sequel to a game I liked. It's all well and good that other people get to play it I guess; but I'm not exactly jumping for joy at that.
Thunder Monkey
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Dreamcast Sega fans got screwed about as bad as Genny era Sega fans... okay... no where close... but we still got screwed.
thebaroness
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How can you tell, I've been trying to figure out gender all day!
EmCeeGramr
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i replaced "fuck" with "shit" in the search and lol east of eastside is still going at his racist rants against nintendo and neogaf
Thunder Monkey
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Which is why I explained not quite a strawman.
I mean, it's a huge oversimplification of motives, but it has enough weight. In that it's purely black and white. Without Nintendo there wouldn't be a Bayonetta 2.
I understand the disappointment part. I understood it from ArjanN earlier.
But to me a series like Shenmue or Bayonetta would be enough to make me go "Okay... at some point I need to own that system."
That guy scared me, I thought he was just a troll but when I learned a little bit more......wow.
in Bayo1, Bayo and Jeanne used the same frame (but Jeanne had smaller boobies and a smaller butt), so they stood exactly the same, with the arms out from their sides and everything
the sage goes into that same posture here
Iwata: Thank you very much for joining me today.
Hashimoto: Thank you for having us.
Kamiya: *sucking pocky*
Iwata: I've come to know both of you quite well during the development of Bayonetta 2,
but perhaps some of our readers have yet to make your acquaintances.
Hashimoto: I'm Yusuke Hashimoto, director of Bayonetta 2. The man to my right is
Hideki Kamiya, the game's supervisor, and the creator of the original Bayonetta.
Kamiya: *tweeting*
Iwata: That says it all about Kamiya-san! *laughs*
Hashimoto: *laughs*
Iwata: Now, Bayonetta 2 is a very special game in the library of the Wii U, but I think
that in order to understand its importance, we must first understand its history. Perhaps
one of you should tell us how the original Bayonetta came to be.
Hashimoto: Well, Bayonetta was the result of a partnership with Sega. Their own games...
Kamiya: Were not selling.
Iwata: *laughs*
Hashimoto: Um, yes... and they wanted a game that would appeal to Western audiences.
At first, they looked to their own teams for ideas, but...
Kamiya: Their own teams are terrible.
Iwata: *laughs, nods, and wipes eyes*
Hashimoto: Well, in any case, Sega met with Kamiya-san and they felt that he had a good
idea. What was the idea again, Kamiya-san?
Kamiya: "Sexy Guns."
Iwata: "Sexy Guns?" That was is it? *laughs*
Hashimoto: Well that idea was just for Sega. When we began work on Bayonetta,
Kamiya-san—and the rest of our team—we took that idea and we improved upon it.
Iwata: I'm not sure I understand. How can you improve upon "Sexy Guns?"
Hashimoto: Well, we thought of Bayonetta as a delicacy—like the blowfish, which is a
poisonous dish that can only be prepared in an experienced kitchen. Bayonetta, like the
blowfish, required a team of skilled chefs to prepare it. So we assembled our chefs, and we
cooked our dish with care: eliminating the poison, adding sauces and seasonings, surrounding
the plate with sushi and vegetables and miso soup. We offered the dish at the same price as
any other plate, but in the end...
Kamiya: Bayonetta sold like week-old tempura.
Iwata: *laughs* I see.
Hashimoto: Still, we were proud of our dish.
Kamiya: We ate it ourselves.
Iwata: But the diners in your restaurant would rather suck pocky.
Kamiya: Right, except the restaurant was Sega's—we were just the cooks. So while we
got fat eating our blowfish, Sega drank water from a hoofprint.
Hashimoto: Naturally, we wanted to feed them.
Iwata: But all you had was blowfish!
Kamiya: Correct, so we began work on Bayonetta 2.
Iwata: *laughs*
Hashimoto: Sega did not laugh.
Kamiya: I spoke to the executives at Sega. I told them our blowfish was the best they'd find.
Hashimoto: Yes, and although they understood that we were skilled chefs, they didn't
want to eat our second dish. We even prepared them a sample and brought it to their offices.
Starving though they were, they still wouldn't eat it.
Iwata: I can't say I blame them!
Hashimoto: No, I can't say I blame them either; the first blowfish didn't sell. So we decided,
collectively, that there would be no more blowfish—Platinum would cook teriyaki, and Sega
would stick to hedgehogs.
Iwata: Hedgehog—a sour platter.
Everyone: *laughs*
*laughter continues*
*Iwata bends over, crying*
Iwata: My, my, where were we?
Kamiya: Blowfish is poison no matter how well it's cut.
Iwata: Wow, that's a startling thought.
Kamiya: Yes, but it's true. So I must say, it was a surprise when you arrived at our studio
months later and told us to prepare you a big plate of Bayonetta 2.
Hashimoto: On that note, I've been meaning to ask... well, what I mean to say is that,
everyone at Platinum has been wondering... why exactly did you order this dish?
Iwata: Well, it really is very simple.
In the past six years, Nintendo has fed nearly 100 Million diners with a little plate called "Wii."
Many of these diners are—you might say—"pocky suckers."
Nevertheless, one man's pocky is another man's blowfish, and so Nintendo enjoyed—for the
first time in years—a reputation as a five-star restaurant.
But some diners don't suck pocky. Their palette is so refined that they consume nothing except
the blowfish. You might say that they love it to the core.
These diners are a minority, but they are a vocal minority... and so they were quite vocal about
their distaste for Wii. They slandered us in food columns. They reported us to the Board of Health.
Worst of all, they began directing our customers to other establishments, telling the world
that our menu was short on fine cuisines like the blowfish.
*pauses*
It was because of these critics that we lost our five-star rating.
*long pause*
Hashimoto: I see... so, by making Bayonetta 2 exclusive to the Wii U, you hope to
gain the favor of that final minority, and persuade them to take a seat at your table.
*tears up*
IWATA: NO. *laughs* I HOPE TO MAKE THEM STARVE.
I'd like to know how they came to that conclusion too, cuz from the trailer I'm convinced it's a dude.
So assuming that this is based off of the canceled version of Bayonetta 2... I just realized that the Wii U pad could actually have a pretty nifty use for the rumored co-op. I imagine it being sorta like that Blops 2 demo where instead of having split screen, one player just plays on the pad. I just hope the game would be able to at least try to keep that smooth 60 FPS!
Oh yeah speaking of the Bayonetta 2 rumors... does anyone have a link to the rumored leaked details about the game? I could swear I remember reading about (spoilers related to the possible plot to those of you who are mega anal abut spoilers)
, but my memory is foggy and I can't seem to find any of the pre-cancellation rumors from a quick google search...
Oh yeah speaking of the Bayonetta 2 rumors... does anyone have a link to the rumored leaked details about the game? I could swear I remember reading about (spoilers related to the possible plot to those of you who are mega anal abut spoilers)
the 2nd character being some sort of guy in the US military, which is really odd since Jeane sounds like the perfect Luigi to Bayonetta's Mario
CadetMahoney
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Is....is this real? I can't tell. Kamiya is snarky and open minded as fuck.
Simply amazing.
Thunder Monkey
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Haha!
I love that damn punchline Vega!
I love that damn punchline Vega!
lmao! perfect
I hope Nintendo secures Bayonetta 2 as a definitive exclusive to Nintendo a la Microsoft and Mass Effect just for the lulz!
edit: probably it will since they're the ones publishing it. Nice
Nintendo tried to do that last generation, but the small-mid size independents either ate the cost in the West or went to alternatives like the PSP in Japan. This generation they may not have those options, especially the Japanese independents. The independents might no longer have the resources to keep up with the graphical arms race, even with middleware.
Mysterious Stranger
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Wii U #winning
AlphaTwo00
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Holy shit that post. Wow.
ThisWreckage
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I can't believe that this announcement garnered 85 pages of discussion. When Nintendo throws a bone to the hardcore gamer minds explode.
MidnightScott
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Really just shows how much our audience is full of babies and manchildren. That's sad and depressing that people can't appreciate that the game series gets to live on instead of being quietly swept under the rug. I feel ashamed to be associated with such people.
Fine Ham Abounds
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VegaNine said:
Thread redeemed.
I dunno about the rest of you but here are my issues with it:
1) It's an exclusive to a new console - meaning I not only have to fork out $60 for a copy, but another $200 for a new console as well just to play it.
2) With the 360/PS3, I know what I'm getting into. It's familiar. The Wii-U still has a lot of unknowns and is unfamiliar: How good is it gonna look? How will the controller handle? Does it being on Wii-U imply motion control (please no)
Edit: I should add too, that Nintendo still has a bit of a stigma on it's head when it comes to the core games. I'm guessing a lot of the hate is that stigma just getting passed on to the Wii-U as well.
1) It's an exclusive to a new console - meaning I not only have to fork out $60 for a copy, but another $200 for a new console as well just to play it.
2) With the 360/PS3, I know what I'm getting into. It's familiar. The Wii-U still has a lot of unknowns and is unfamiliar: How good is it gonna look? How will the controller handle? Does it being on Wii-U imply motion control (please no)
Edit: I should add too, that Nintendo still has a bit of a stigma on it's head when it comes to the core games. I'm guessing a lot of the hate is that stigma just getting passed on to the Wii-U as well.
No, but it should be
The sad part is that I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the people here didn't buy the original game, and just posted here for more console war bullshit
Thunder Monkey
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I bought it!The sad part is that I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the people here didn't buy the original game, and just posted here for more console war bullshit
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for 20 dollars...
Thunder Monkey
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For my brother...
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DICKS AHOY
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Given how badly it sold it wouldn't surprise me if statistically-speaking not everybody on Twitter actually owns the original Bayonetta. You certainly had far less people making a fuss when this game was originally cancelled.The sad part is that I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the people here didn't buy the original game, and just posted here for more console war bullshit
I would be just as excited if this was confirmed for the PS4 or 720 as I am for it being on the Wii U by the way. Only plus being on a Nintendo system is the possibility this'll lead to a PG-developed, Kamiya-directed Star Fox some time in the future.
Crash Station
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My god, this guy is insane if he's legit.
The sad part is that I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the people here didn't buy the original game, and just posted here for more console war bullshit
I ignored Bayonetta entirely when it came out until sometime like March or April or something.
ThatObviousUser
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This was amazingly accurate, right down to the obtuse Japanese-isms.
I hate indulging in stuff like this when everyone's heated/stepping on eggshells, but Vega's post was legitimately amazing. :lol
What's all this about East of Eastside now?
What's all this about East of Eastside now?
Laughing Banana
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"Nintendo stealing our game" is certainly a new level of.... well, something, even on GAF.
Bjoern the Smexy
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Good morniHOLY CRAP this thread has grown fast!
OH MY GOD VegaNine xD
That is the best thing now in this thread!
OH MY GOD VegaNine xD
That is the best thing now in this thread!
It really should. It's so good
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