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[divisionbyzorro]

It's Broodmate Wurm!

 

[OnPoint]

I would still prefer Thragtusk in that situation.
But it will be fantastic in limited.

Absolutely would prefer Montie Thraggerson, but this wouldn't be bad to include if someone cooked up a deck around Resto Angel and Cloudshift.

 

[divisionbyzorro]

We have the whole set spoiled folks! The last two came in just now. And the last one is amazing

Spoiler

ly weird

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Conjured Currency 5U
Enchantment

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may exchange control of Conjured Currency and target permanent you neither own or control.

 

[OnPoint]

So exchange it then destroy it? That's all I can figure

 

[ultron87]

Looks fun for multiplayer.

 

[WanderingWind]

So exchange it then destroy it? That's all I can figure

Sacrifice? Will this let you sac something they used to control?

 

[OnPoint]

Sacrifice? Will this let you sac something they used to control?

Sure, you can definitely sacrifice their stuff. But you're trading it with them, so they get to trade it with something of yours if they still have it. I don't think you'd want to play a game of tradesies over and over.

 

[ultron87]

Sweet combo with Venser. Trade, then +2 it to get it back over and over.

 

[WanderingWind]

Sure, you can definitely sacrifice their stuff. But you're trading it with them, so they get to trade it with something of yours if they still have it. I don't think you'd want to play a game of tradesies over and over.

It's too expensive, but being able to trade, say, your germ token with their Sigarda then sac it to bloodthrone would be nifty.

 

[kirblar]

This probably has Legacy implications.

 

[Venfayth]

Are we gonna do a google word doc and rate each card? I didn't contribute last time, but this time I'd like to :>

 

[WanderingWind]

Are we gonna do a google word doc and rate each card? I didn't contribute last time, but this time I'd like to :>

All Golgari cards: A+++
All Azorious cards: F-

 

[Keru_Shiri]

Oooh, does any one have a link to the AVR google doc we did? I want to see how the predictions panned out. And yeah, I would totally be down for doing this for RtR.

 

[ultron87]

All Golgari cards: A+++
All Azorious cards: F-

 

[WanderingWind]

Posting pics of the 3rd best of the new Doctors doesn't help your case.

 

[ultron87]

Posting pics of the 3rd best of the new Doctors doesn't help your case.

I don't totally disagree with you on that. This was just the best Doctor face that summed up all my feelings towards your post.

 

[Sinatar]

This probably has Legacy implications.

For 6 mana? Unlikely.

 

[Negator]

I wasn't around for the AVR spreadsheet, I would love to contribute to the RTR one

 

[Venfayth]

I found the AVR one.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XGwZT2a5nZ5jf3feZlddnYujmaiWeLHTaDRLjW2Yca8/edit

I can try to work on an RTR one today, since it doesn't look like there'll much to be done at work

 

[Keru_Shiri]

New announcement regarding the EDH Banned list:

http://mtgcommander.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12253

To summarize: Primeval Titan and Worldfire are now banned.

Kokusho, the Evening Star is now only banned as a General.

 

[Owlowiscious]

We have the whole set spoiled folks! The last two came in just now. And the last one is amazing

Spoiler

ly weird

.

Conjured Currency 5U
Enchantment

At the beginning of your upkeep, you may exchange control of Conjured Currency and target permanent you neither own or control.

Cast it, then another turn when you use it, add this:

 

[Venfayth]

Alright, I did a quick one with just the mythics/rares. Didn't seem there was too much commentary on the uncommons and commons in AVR, but if people want em I'll go through and add them.

RTR Gaf Review:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1USirVB8T1jdSQZRIAwvTecl70qQBZAdJv7Y3j7e_QeM/edit

edit: also didn't bother with shocklands, though technically they are rares also

 

[divisionbyzorro]

Uncommons are probably going to be more interesting in this set than AVR.

 

[Venfayth]

True, starting to work on them now.

Might even do commons... Maybe... Trying to format it real pretty

 

[red13th]

Golgari and Selesnya are pretty good, being a green player I'm okay. Penis wurm seems crazy.

 

[ultron87]

Excellent. I will grace that doc with my terrible card evaluations for sure.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Those commander bannings are absolute jokes.

 

[Haly]

I think I would've preferred a more descriptive scale such as:
Filler
Limited Fodder
Windmill Pick
Overhyped
Sleeper Rare
Auto 4-of
$30

Spoiler

Jokes, will contribute when I'm not tired.

 

[An-Det]

Banned & Restricted List Announcement

Announcement Date: September 20, 2012
Effective Date: October 1, 2012

Standard, Extended, Legacy
No changes

Modern
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle is Unbanned.

Vintage
Burning Wish is Unrestricted.

Weird to see Burning Wish finally come off. Relatively harmless now that the way Wishes work is different, but still odd after seeing it be broken in the old Long decks.

Explanation:

Explanation of September 20, 2012, B&R Changes
Erik Lauer

Recent Modern tournaments have been diverse, with no deck dominating the metagame. Since Modern is a non-rotating format, banned cards never rotate out. The DCI is unbanning a card to see how that affects the format. We looked for cards that were on the initial banned list for Pro Tour Philadelphia. We wanted a card that would not easily slot into an existing top deck and also wanted to enable a deck with a different play pattern than the current top decks. After examining the options, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle was selected as the card to unban.

While Vintage tournaments have also been fairly diverse, there has been a paucity of combination decks. Burning Wish is a strong combination enabler. It was first printed in Judgment in May 2002 and restricted in January 2004. At the time, quick-kill combo decks were dominating. Since then, the DCI has unrestricted many Vintage cards, and the restricted list is smaller today than it was in 2000 or any time since then. Continuing in this long-term trend, Burning Wish is unrestricted.

We are moving!

Going forward, Banned and Restricted updates will by synchronized with set releases. For each set, starting with Gatecrash, the announcement will be the Monday after the Prerelease, and the effective date will be the same as the release date of the set.

There are several advantages to this. First, this means there is no longer a date you have to remember. Second, it is less disruptive to deck management. Most players find it is a good time to update their decks when a set releases. Finally, this answers odd questions as to whether a banning has taken place if the update date occurs in the middle of a tournament.

 

[Hero]

Burning Wish was already seeing a price increased due to Legacy decks using them more, Vintage being able to have 4x of them means the demand just got greater. Buy these up if you see them at reasonable levels.

 

[ultron87]

So there are also new trigger rules for tournament play. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=9059346&postcount=1

[For Competitive+ REL only] You now need to announce *all* your triggers.
In the past, there was a subclass of triggers (“No Visual Effect”) that did not require announcing because they didn’t have an impact on the visual state of the board or require choices. Think Goldnight Commander or Kruin Striker. However, with the simplifying of the trigger rules, those now have to be announced.

Simplified Trigger Rules: You cannot “forget” your triggers. Your opponent is not required to remind you. If your opponent misses a trigger and you want it to happen, call a judge (and you’ll get to make happen if it’s still within a turn). If you miss your trigger unintentionally and the opponent doesn’t want it to happen, it won’t happen.

That seems tedious. But I guess being clear about everything is good.

 

[The Technomancer]

So there are also new trigger rules for tournament play. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=9059346&postcount=1



That seems tedious. But I guess being clear about everything is good.

Wait, you have to announce Goldknight Commander in tournament games? But its not even a "may" effect

 

[An-Det]

So there are also new trigger rules for tournament play. http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=9059346&postcount=1



That seems tedious. But I guess being clear about everything is good.

Wait, you have to announce Goldknight Commander in tournament games? But its not even a "may" effect

Yeah that seems awkward. I get it for the sake of clarifying the game state, but anyone that's going to respond to the trigger will know about it anyway. I wonder if you can get a missed trigger warning under this new rule for May triggers. Seems poor wording.

The second one makes sense for required triggers.

 

[kirblar]

They've been trying to decrease "gotcha" moments in tournament play.

 

[siddx]

When did the DOTP 2013 expansion come out? Just noticed it today. Have only played against the selesnya deck so far but it seems like a fun mass token generator deck.

 

[archnemesis]

It came out yesterday on Steam and the day before on XBLA. I beat the first five campaign duels with the Selesnya deck and it's quite fun to play.

 

[ultron87]

The Golgari and Rakdos decks in DOTP seem the most immediately powerful and interesting to me.

Selesnya seems to suffer from lack of removal, but it has 2 Swords Plowshares to unlock which would obviously go a long way.

They've been trying to decrease "gotcha" moments in tournament play.

That is a fine goal. But (at least to me) it seems like we should expect people playing competitively to know when stuff like Exalted and Battlecry are going to trigger without being told.

 

[siddx]

The Golgari and Rakdos decks in DOTP seem the most immediately powerful and interesting to me.

Selesnya seems to suffer from lack of removal, but it has 2 Swords Plowshares to unlock which would obviously go a long way.




That is a fine goal. But (at least to me) it seems like we should expect people playing competitively to know when stuff like Exalted and Battlecry are going to trigger without being told.

Yeah, triggers like those should be obvious, and if you forget your opponent has a creature on the board with a trigger like that, you need to go back to playing some more table top games because you are not ready for competitive play.

 

[Hex]

FUUUUUUU

After my swearing and promising never to do boxes again...
I am down for two japanese boxes for myself and one english box for my gf of RtR

 

[ultron87]

This article on the The Verge about the Player's Championship is actually pretty good: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/20/3326708/magic-the-gathering-players-championship

Nice to see a nice big piece of coverage on somewhere slightly more mainstream than usual.

FUUUUUUU

After my swearing and promising never to do boxes again...
I am down for two japanese boxes for myself and one english box for my gf of RtR

Lol, that's a pretty wild swing.

 

[Hex]

This article on the The Verge about the Player's Championship is actually pretty good: http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/20/3326708/magic-the-gathering-players-championship

Nice to see a nice big piece of coverage on somewhere slightly more mainstream than usual.



Lol, that's a pretty wild swing.

There is just something about opening packs.
Takes you me back to when I first started playing, and there is nothing like it.
It is momentary, and it is over pretty damned quick but for that moment it is the greatest.
I was able to avoid the bug with M13, though now need to catch up a little but RtR is just too good.

 

[f0rk]

RtR does look like a great set to open. Did you have to pay much extra for the Japanese boxes?

 

[Jarate]

There is just something about opening packs.
Takes you me back to when I first started playing, and there is nothing like it.
It is momentary, and it is over pretty damned quick but for that moment it is the greatest.
I was able to avoid the bug with M13, though now need to catch up a little but RtR is just too good.

you will never be able to stop your addiction, it will only facilitate until you're on the street corners begging for packs of m13 to satiate your needs

 

[Hex]

RtR does look like a great set to open. Did you have to pay much extra for the Japanese boxes?

No, luckily my local shop takes care of me as long as I get the order in early enough.
Once a shop hits a certain level with Wizards they can get a certain amount of foreign for the same price as normal boxes depending on how many normal boxes they do.
I used to end up paying about $15 more for japanese online at Channel Fireball before having access locally.

 

[Hex]

you will never be able to stop your addiction, it will only facilitate until you're on the street corners begging for packs of m13 to satiate your needs

Sad reality on the cardboard crack streets

Edit:
I guess I will pick up the DotP 2013 DLC tonight for PSN which will give me an excuse to play through it again.
I beat it on Steam, but haven't touched it yet on PSN

 

[Yeef]

There is just something about opening packs.
Takes you me back to when I first started playing, and there is nothing like it.
It is momentary, and it is over pretty damned quick but for that moment it is the greatest.
I was able to avoid the bug with M13, though now need to catch up a little but RtR is just too good.

Might as well do some limited games with them. Limited play, in my opinion, is generally more interesting than constructed, in my opinion. That is, assuming someone doesn't get super lucky.*

*

Spoiler

Played a sealed game with a friend a couple weeks ago, 2 packs each of M13, Avacyn and Innistrad. That jack ass got a Sigarda, and Thragtusk and an Angelic Overseer. :|

 

[Hex]

Might as well do some limited games with them. Limited play, in my opinion, is generally more interesting than constructed, in my opinion. That is, assuming someone doesn't get super lucky.*

*

Spoiler

Played a sealed game with a friend a couple weeks ago, 2 packs each of M13, Avacyn and Innistrad. That jack ass got a Sigarda, and Thragtusk and an Angelic Overseer. :|

You have just stated why I will not do that lol.
It is bad enough that my gf will probably have better pulls out of her one box than I will out of my two.
We usually have drafts at our lgs on Sunday nights, and Tuesdays except when league is active.

 

[Negator]

you will never be able to stop your addiction, it will only facilitate until you're on the street corners begging for packs of m13 to satiate your needs

Eww gross, M13 packs? Might as well open packs of Worldwake

 

[Sinatar]

Eww gross, M13 packs? Might as well open packs of Worldwake

You might get Jace TMS from worldwake though...

 

[ZZMitch]

Why buy Japanese packs, cheaper?