Is GAF too strict?

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Mods, since I've been posting here, I've always wondered why this type of trolling/insults is allowed in every XBL thread on GAF: Most Recent XBL Thread

Just curious as to why. It gets annoying, but doesn't really bother me (that's why I only included the quotes, not the GAFers who said them).

Is it because those are not direct insults?

because paying for P2P is foolish honestly though, i know its said a lot in XBL threads, but there's a segment here that things its a poor value. there's usually a few in PSN+ threads reminding people those games aren't "free", likewise.
you can tell them if you see the same people posting that in every related thread, but a policy to ban based on not posting that you don't see the value in a given service? seems a bit much, doesn't it?
 
Err, we ban for that.

For reals? I'm not being obtuse, but every time the subject of thread is a person, most often a woman, the thread is plagued by sexual affirmations. I don't recall anyone ever being banned for it. If this is covered in the TOS I don't see it.

I was just curious. Not really a big deal.
 
No, but some conversation topics are restrictive, especially topics regarding piracy, homebrew, tv-series, torrents, etc.
 
For reals? I'm not being obtuse, but every time the subject of thread is a person, most often a woman, the thread is plagued by sexual affirmations. I don't recall anyone ever being banned for it. If this is covered in the TOS I don't see it.

I was just curious. Not really a big deal.

Not everything is covered in the TOS...it would be too large to account for every usage. It stands to reason that some logical leaps are made by the moderation team. Apparently every ban is peer reviewed anyway...although I'm not sure if it's a real review or just other mods going "Oh yah CrankyJay...let him sit." =P
 
The best case is it's empty, zero-value posting (nobody cares that you want a pony but aren't allowed to have one);

Well "why can't this be on ps3" is empty, but it's also not the best case scenario of port-begging.
There are fair points to be made, sometimes, as to why a certain game would benefit from appearing on a different hardware, and interesting discussions to be had, be it more power for an open world game or a particular controller mechanic (if Project Zero were to be released on ps3 exclusively, you could make a good point about it being a missed opportunity for the wiiU controller, for example).
 
A random sampling of port begging since E3:
Port begging to PC, banned and this guy, presumably, and this guy
Port begging to Mac, banned
Port begging to Vita, banned
Port begging to 360, banned
Port begging to PS3, banned
Port begging to iOS, banned
Port begging to PS3/360 instead of Wii U, and this guy, and this guy, and this guy,
Port begging to PSN/XBLA, banned (bonus points: aggro flameout about Platinum Games working on P-100 instead of Bayonetta 2)
Not really a 3DS port beg, but complaining that a game was made for Vita instead of 3DS

We ban people for port begging to and from every platform.

We also ban people for rude, snippy, "MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS SUPERIOR" stuff for and against every single console. Here's an example of a recent pro-PC ban 1. Anti-PC. Generic master race crap. Pro-PC. Anti-PC. Hysterical and rude defence of Blizzard. Hysterical and rude attacking Blizzard.

Most of those don't seem like that much of an issue. I think GAF may be a little too strict on stuff like this. Most of these statements don't derail threads and who hasn't wished that something would come to their console/handheld of choice at one time or another. Seems pretty harmless.
 
Those should be banned under attack and the same reasoning as port begging.

Agreed.


It's not like those people went into an XBL thread and posted that. The topic title is a question.

you can tell them if you see the same people posting that in every related thread, but a policy to ban based on not posting that you don't see the value in a given service? seems a bit much, doesn't it?

Both of you missed my point, completely. It's not their opinion, but rather the insults.
 
Most of those don't seem like that much of an issue. I think GAF may be a little too strict on stuff like this. Most of these statements don't derail threads and who hasn't wished that something would come to their console/handheld of choice at one time or another. Seems pretty harmless.

Port begging does not derail threads....anymore. Because it's enforced. It was a huge problem.
 
Most of those don't seem like that much of an issue. I think GAF may be a little too strict on stuff like this. Most of these statements don't derail threads and who hasn't wished that something would come to their console/handheld of choice at one time or another. Seems pretty harmless.
Check out this one.
If this constitutes port begging (apparently it does, albiet with not very long a ban) I'd say the bar is pretty low. Best to avoid discussion of any game's potential on another platform.
That's some pretty innocuous stuff. But rules is rules I guess.
 
For reals? I'm not being obtuse, but every time the subject of thread is a person, most often a woman, the thread is plagued by sexual affirmations. I don't recall anyone ever being banned for it. If this is covered in the TOS I don't see it.

I was just curious. Not really a big deal.

We do ban for that sort of thing, but we're not equally strict in every topic; the context of the conversation and the particular topic where it takes place matters and the particulars of an individual post matters.

Though you may well have seen things that might have been moderated were they noticed, I don't know.

I think he means when people post "would" because something in the OP is humpworthy.

Yes, he actually clarified what he meant in a PM.
 
That one might be borderline but a few of the previous Rayman Legends threads were bombarded by port begging, so I'm guessing they wanted to nip it at the bud that time.
Oh yeah, some of the examples were like, "why are they wasting their time on 'X' system" or "this would look much better on..." That's just being a troll, never mind port begging.

But yeah, I think some posters were just making a genuine comment, and got caught out by the zero tolerance policy.

Is it OK to ask rather than request if a game is coming out for another system?
 
Mods, how would a member that was "juniorized" be promoted back to "member" status?

Ultra good behavior? Contribution within threads?

Help a brotha out please.
 
Mods, how would a member that was "juniorized" be promoted back to "member" status?

Ultra good behavior? Contribution within threads?

Help a brotha out please.
By not asking.

And I'm not being facetious, stump specifically stated as such in this very thread.

But otherwise, all the other stuff you said.
 
There's also Google.com

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By not asking.

And I'm not being facetious, stump specifically stated as such in this very thread.

But otherwise, all the other stuff you said.

Helpful "unjuniorized to member" info

Thanks for the info Stump. It has been more than a year for me, but I'll keep being on my bestest behavior and contributing as much as I can.

EDIT: FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I'M A MEMBER!!!!! I thought this day would never come!!! Tears of joy! T_T

Thank you for whoever(s) memberized me! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
 
Thanks for the info Stump. It has been more than a year for me, but I'll keep being on my bestest behavior and contributing as much as I can.

EDIT: FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I'M A MEMBER!!!!! I thought this day would never come!!! Tears of joy! T_T

Thank you for whoever(s) memberized me! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

You're back baby :D

grats!

Let's play Street Fighter
 
A random sampling of port begging since E3:
Port begging to PC, banned and this guy, presumably, and this guy
Port begging to Mac, banned
Port begging to Vita, banned
Port begging to 360, banned
Port begging to PS3, banned
Port begging to iOS, banned
Port begging to PS3/360 instead of Wii U, and this guy, and this guy, and this guy,
Port begging to PSN/XBLA, banned (bonus points: aggro flameout about Platinum Games working on P-100 instead of Bayonetta 2)
Not really a 3DS port beg, but complaining that a game was made for Vita instead of 3DS

We ban people for port begging to and from every platform.

We also ban people for rude, snippy, "MY CONSOLE OF CHOICE IS SUPERIOR" stuff for and against every single console. Here's an example of a recent pro-PC ban 1. Anti-PC. Generic master race crap. Pro-PC. Anti-PC. Hysterical and rude defence of Blizzard. Hysterical and rude attacking Blizzard.

forgive my ignorance, but why is saying that you wish you could play a game on the platform you have a bannable offense? I can understand some of them being justified on account of them being rude, but some of the others seem a bit rough.
I am a junior member and wasn't even aware the practice had been given name, so I don't really know the history of it on GAF
 
forgive my ignorance, but why is saying that you wish you could play a game on the platform you have a bannable offense? I can understand some of them being justified on account of them being rude, but some of the others seem a bit rough.
I am a junior member and wasn't even aware the practice had been given name, so I don't really know the history of it on GAF

It caused thread derailments. :/
 
forgive my ignorance, but why is saying that you wish you could play a game on the platform you have a bannable offense? I can understand some of them being justified on account of them being rude, but some of the others seem a bit rough.
I am a junior member and wasn't even aware the practice had been given name, so I don't really know the history of it on GAF

Visit places that allow it and you'll know why.
 
forgive my ignorance, but why is saying that you wish you could play a game on the platform you have a bannable offense? I can understand some of them being justified on account of them being rude, but some of the others seem a bit rough.
I am a junior member and wasn't even aware the practice had been given name, so I don't really know the history of it on GAF

Long and short of it, because it doesn't really add to actual discussion of a game, and often encourages derailment discussion centred around why the game should/should not be ported and so on. Like, Game X gets announced, or a new trailer is shown, or previews come out, somebody says "I wish the game was on Platform Y", and suddenly everybody is talking about Platform Y and not the game, the trailer, or the previews.
 
Most of those don't seem like that much of an issue. I think GAF may be a little too strict on stuff like this. Most of these statements don't derail threads and who hasn't wished that something would come to their console/handheld of choice at one time or another. Seems pretty harmless.
Nope, keep the bans regarding that going. It can get out of hand really fast where the thread completely derails for stupid shit like this,
 
Long and short of it, because it doesn't really add to actual discussion of a game, and often encourages derailment discussion centred around why the game should/should not be ported and so on. Like, Game X gets announced, or a new trailer is shown, or previews come out, somebody says "I wish the game was on Platform Y", and suddenly everybody is talking about Platform Y and not the game, the trailer, or the previews.

fair enough. cheers for the explaination
 
I am wondering, is it true that some mods/admin have it for certain posters?

All bans are moderated so it wouldn't matter, if a mod did have it in for a poster(s) and kept banning them unnecessarily or giving harsh bans then they would probably be deemed unfit to be a mod.

I think 1-2 mods have it in for joke posters like blame space, Eggman etc (I don't blame them either). blame space was recently pema'd by someone then it was reduced to like 4 months. I guess it was decided he worth worth keeping around, despite the fact he has multiple bannings and is just around to joke and skirt the rules all the time.
 
All bans are moderated so it wouldn't matter, if a mod did have it in for a poster(s) and kept banning them unnecessarily or giving harsh bans then they would probably be deemed unfit to be a mod.

I think 1-2 mods have it in for joke posters like blame space, Eggman etc (I don't blame them either). blame space was recently pema'd by someone then it was reduced to like 4 months. I guess it was decided he worth worth keeping around, despite the fact he has multiple bannings and is just around to joke and skirt the rules all the time.

That´s a huge problem then. Why would you not blame them? Sure, mods can dislike some posters here but that should not mean that they let their dislike of certain posters dictate their actions. The great thing here is that mods don´t ban people who have opposing views from them, or people who are not serious posters.
 
That´s a huge problem then. Why would you not blame them? Sure, mods can dislike some posters here but that should not mean that they let their dislike of certain posters dictate their actions. The great thing here is that mods don´t ban people who have opposing views from them, or people who are not serious posters.

From my point of view joke posters are allowed to get away with things other posters wouldn't, because they are 'funny' and have a character on the forum. I am simply in support of the mods that don't like them because I think it brings joke posters in line with regular posters.

You can see the note on blame spaces last ban. To me is shows at least one mod is tired of his posts breaking the rules.

 
I personally don't like how I can't ignore posts from mods :P

I can understand not being able to ignore administrators and owners and chiefs, but most of the time regular moderators don't post 'in duty'. They get that advantage of "I can be really annoying and irrational and never stop posting about it and you can't ignore me". That's kind of a shame, especially when they take a stance that's bother line unacceptable moral wise.
 
They get that advantage of "I can be really annoying and irrational and never stop posting about it and you can't ignore me".

Amir0x is no longer a mod.




Sometimes mods will post some sort of warning. Like "every post after this one saying __ will be banned" or something like that. Probably don't want to ignore that.
 
I personally don't like how I can't ignore posts from mods :P

I can understand not being able to ignore administrators and owners and chiefs, but most of the time regular moderators don't post 'in duty'. They get that advantage of "I can be really annoying and irrational and never stop posting about it and you can't ignore me". That's kind of a shame, especially when they take a stance that's bother line unacceptable moral wise.

Pretty sure you can alter the Neogaf user highlight script to allow blocking of anyone you want, at least for Firefox. Personally though if I had to go that far just to block mods/admins/evilore then I wouldn't even want to be on the forum. If it has come to that point then I would be questioning why I even bother coming here. Not saying that is the situation for you at all btw.
 

It's ok, I like you ;) I haven't seen you shit up threads or make really stupid joke posts or threads like Eggman and blame space do.

But do you disagree that joke posters get preferential treatment and are allowed to get away with more things than regular members? and if so please tell me why you disagree.
 
Pretty sure you can alter the Neogaf user highlight script to allow blocking of anyone you want, at least for Firefox. Personally though if I had to go that far just to block mods/admins/evilore then I wouldn't even want to be on the forum. If it has come to that point then I would be questioning why I even bother coming here. Not saying that is the situation for you at all btw.
I don't even know what this script thing is, but what you say is true. I'm not suddenly going to do 1000 steps just to make sure I don't see 1 person's posts. It's not like my time here is miserable because I can't ignore someone.

But it's more or less a strange feeling to know that I really like the nice and high morals of the mods and admins, except that I've noticed a really dis-likable one in the bunch with morals completely the opposite my own. I don't think it's bad enough to cry "de-mod!" but I would assume his/her morals would mismatch with other mods as well.

In that sense, I cannot see GAF police as 1 entity, and my first thought with the thread title "Is GAF too strict?" is "depends who's modding at the time". Oh well. Can't go into details, I'm not that kind of person to go all rumor spreading. I already went into conflict at the time and no mod powers were abused anyway. I just wish my ignore power wasn't stolen from me :P
 
I don't even know what this script thing is, but what you say is true. I'm not suddenly going to do 1000 steps just to make sure I don't see 1 person's posts. It's not like my time here is miserable because I can't ignore someone.

But it's more or less a strange feeling to know that I really like the nice and high morals of the mods and admins, except that I've noticed a really dis-likable one in the bunch with morals completely the opposite my own. I don't think it's bad enough to cry "de-mod!" but I would assume his/her morals would mismatch with other mods as well.

In that sense, I cannot see GAF police as 1 entity, and my first though with the thread title "Is GAF too strict?" is "depends who's modding at the time".

Ya it's totally who is modding at the time. Some posters get more slack, some do not. We are all people at the end of the day so it's going to come down to personal discretion. I feel ya though I am not going through some crazy ass steps in a script to block anyone, screw that noise. Rather play a game or something.
 
That´s a huge problem then. Why would you not blame them? Sure, mods can dislike some posters here but that should not mean that they let their dislike of certain posters dictate their actions. The great thing here is that mods don´t ban people who have opposing views from them, or people who are not serious posters.

Well, you can't take each individual post in isolation when deciding whether to ban someone. Past actions and behavior are going to get factored in. And inevitably, sometimes personal dislike will as well. Not much you can do about that as a mod besides try not to let it influence you too much. Or ask another mod's opinion.

But it's more or less a strange feeling to know that I really like the nice and high morals of the mods and admins, except that I've noticed a really dis-likable one in the bunch with morals completely the opposite my own. I don't think it's bad enough to cry "de-mod!" but I would assume his/her morals would mismatch with other mods as well.

This is sort of a weird thing to say. Do you mean that their style of modding seems wrong to you? Or do you literally mean that you think that they, personally, are an immoral human being? Because really, if it doesn't affect their modding, who cares?
 
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