Spike Spiegel
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Indeed. Must be all those 90s inspired grimdark comics people read. :|
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COMICS! l OT l September in 3, 2, 1, Zero issues
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BenjaminBirdie
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I like my comics blobby and fun.
Make it like Marvel Zombies, except everyone is just hounding his ass like a Wolf on a McRib sandwich.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
We just need to bond together against a common threat like Gary Whittaker doing comics now.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Let's try to cheer up. Free Daredevil #1 at Comixology of Waid/Rivera Run.
Look at the cover and click.
Look at the cover and click.
0 issues making everyone crazy?
Supermanisdead
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Marvel Now, insanity later.
Face it Tiger..
Banned
That would sound good, but doesn't the bulk of Marvel NOW! start in November?
Supermanisdead
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Marvel Now should have been all in one month. Are there any good Halloween issues next month?
I'm still blaming agreeing with whoever said that Marvel annoucements are making people angry. I think we'll be angry the entire year now.
So I finally read "The Dark Knight Returns" over the weekend. I'm certain I can't say anything about it that hasn't been said a million times. Nonetheless, it was awesome.
Also took advantage of the comixology sale and checked out Bendis's "Powers". It's entertaining, but Sweet Christmas @ all the dialogue. I knew what I was in for (it is Bendis), but I think this is the first time the overuse of dialogue (which sounds the same for everyone, naturally) has really stood in my way of enjoying something from him. Such a shame because I love the concept, the stories, and Oeming's artwork. But I just don't see myself reading more of it.
Also took advantage of the comixology sale and checked out Bendis's "Powers". It's entertaining, but Sweet Christmas @ all the dialogue. I knew what I was in for (it is Bendis), but I think this is the first time the overuse of dialogue (which sounds the same for everyone, naturally) has really stood in my way of enjoying something from him. Such a shame because I love the concept, the stories, and Oeming's artwork. But I just don't see myself reading more of it.
Spike Spiegel
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Spreading the releases out gives them best odds at shutting DC out of the top five for an extended period.
Disagree. I think that was the biggest problem with the new-52. Very few could afford to buy everything so they had to decide beforehand. Titles were ignored and eliminated before they were launched.
Marvel NOW can give each title their moment in the spotlight and spreading them out makes it affordable to try everything. Doesn't mean fans will continue with every title, but I bet the #1 issues sell real well.
Jedeye Sniv
Banned
So I read Nightwing 0 on the way home, and man are DC really missing the point with the Robins. The tease of a backup in Batman the other week was a fascinating glance at a truely new idea in the Bat-verse - that all the Robins could well have been active at the same time. In the Batman backup they all seemed to be similar ages and at similar levels of closeness to becoming Robin. The Nightwing origin played it super straight though, I was a bit let down by it.
I wonder if DC actually have this Team Robin idea being kicked around? It would be amazing, can you imagine a book where Dick, Jason and Tim are all Robin at the same time in Bat-school? Teaming up, trying to get one over on each other, all looking for the approval of Bat-dad... it would rock.
Of course the Nightwing origin doesn't preclude this happening, but it seems that there isn't a concrete idea for what the deal is with the Robins, and so there just this halfassed fumbling of retold origins. I want Team Robin and I want it now dammit!
Speaking of the issue - I really don't like Eddy Barrows at all but did anyone get strong Norm Breyfogle vibes from that first image of the (ugly) Robin costume? Actually, that costume reminded me a lot of some of the designs in the old Brotherhood of the Bat elseworlds (I am showing my age here, I bet most of you kids don't remember it
). It also looks similar to some of the original Neal Adams designs for Tim's costume. But it still sucks.
Reading this issue also reminded me a lot of the old zero issues and how awesome they were. Robin 0 was great, as was the Zero Hour crossover where Tim meets young Dick Grayson. Of course, that Tim doesn't exist any more
I wonder if DC actually have this Team Robin idea being kicked around? It would be amazing, can you imagine a book where Dick, Jason and Tim are all Robin at the same time in Bat-school? Teaming up, trying to get one over on each other, all looking for the approval of Bat-dad... it would rock.
Of course the Nightwing origin doesn't preclude this happening, but it seems that there isn't a concrete idea for what the deal is with the Robins, and so there just this halfassed fumbling of retold origins. I want Team Robin and I want it now dammit!
Speaking of the issue - I really don't like Eddy Barrows at all but did anyone get strong Norm Breyfogle vibes from that first image of the (ugly) Robin costume? Actually, that costume reminded me a lot of some of the designs in the old Brotherhood of the Bat elseworlds (I am showing my age here, I bet most of you kids don't remember it
). It also looks similar to some of the original Neal Adams designs for Tim's costume. But it still sucks.Reading this issue also reminded me a lot of the old zero issues and how awesome they were. Robin 0 was great, as was the Zero Hour crossover where Tim meets young Dick Grayson. Of course, that Tim doesn't exist any more
I hope Marvel uses Marvel NOW to really run with the notion of seasons. Restarting the numbering (but not the continuity) every year or so.
So I like the side of the "event" that feels like cold and rational calculation, like, dropping new pieces of the "season" puzzle every month, icreasing bit by bit, but everything with kind of fresh beggining, then if it becomes bloated and complex, whatever, it will just restart next year anyway (and what works, keep working because continuity is there).
Now they editorial should just start fucking respecting the awesome people who works for them and everything will be all right. There should be clear communication to the creators that their run in this specific title will last at least the entire season; after that, who knows, everything will always be new forever.
So I like the side of the "event" that feels like cold and rational calculation, like, dropping new pieces of the "season" puzzle every month, icreasing bit by bit, but everything with kind of fresh beggining, then if it becomes bloated and complex, whatever, it will just restart next year anyway (and what works, keep working because continuity is there).
Now they editorial should just start fucking respecting the awesome people who works for them and everything will be all right. There should be clear communication to the creators that their run in this specific title will last at least the entire season; after that, who knows, everything will always be new forever.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
That would be great. Stuff like Avengers Academy (or what was it called?) and Cable & X-Force seem perfectly designed to that approach. Basically 12 issue maxiserieses disguised as ongoings.
Okay, so after reading this it got me excited to read Daredevil, but I have no idea where to start. Any recommendations?
Supermanisdead
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They used to do that with the Ultimates series and later Ultimate Avengers. It is really great if you've got a good writer who plans out the year's story and can pull off a good ending while leaving opening for another story, but sometimes you will get Ultimates 3. A 5 issue mess dragged on forever with an absolute balls story that basically destroyed the whole line.
EDIT: Avengers Initiative kinda had that too, with classes that were graduating after a while and then introducing new recruits. It didn't reset the numbering though.
EDIT: Avengers Initiative kinda had that too, with classes that were graduating after a while and then introducing new recruits. It didn't reset the numbering though.
krypt0nian
Banned
I'm all for the seasons approach. Tons of books are put out that really should have been a maxi-series (and would really work well as such), but instead are shoehorned into a monthly. And when the fanbase is not there for the long run, they are damaged goods and shelved for a few more years. Defenders and Alpha Flight would be excellent seasonal runs.
Both Marvel and DC would do well to look at things like Inhumans and see that fringe properties can shine when spotlighted, rather than added to the monthly glut.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
AvX11=Awesome. Yeah I know I have little of the comic background and experience that others have here, but man did I love it....and not just because I hate Cyclops.
I believe Brevoort's implied that this is likely (although probably not quite as often as annually).
As much as we bitch about these Marvel events not being well elaborated, superpeople punching each other is always good. The punch-fest in Civil War was excellent; The Central Park battle in Secret Invasion was every kind of awesome and whatever the hell happened in AvX 11 was very cool, too.
Marvel can always punch its way back into being the coolest thing in the world.
I was just talking about this with a friend a few weeks ago. Specifically in reference to how a book like Phantom Stranger would probably be a great maxi-series, but it's hard imagining there being enough material for an on going monthly.
krypt0nian
Banned
Perfect example. Tell the story you need to tell. Get in, get out.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
It is, it really is. However, I really liked Charles just talking with Scott and shutting him down emotionally.
Hulk launching Wolverine was awesome though. I loved how it was set up.
BuddyJoeHooker
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Um yeah Daredevil... okay.
The Man without Fear - Miller/Romita
Daredevil: Yellow - Loeb/Sale
Guardian Devil - Smith/Quesada
Entire Bendis Run
Entire Brubaker Run
Entire Diggle Run
Finally Waid's Run
Yep.
And in the end, here's what I think it should be the norm:
Books that sell just do whatever they do, the number on the cover is irrelevant. Books that don't sell, even if they actually suck, should at least finish their story, not just the arc, but whatever was planned for the season.
I don't know the financial side of keep banking a book that flops right out of the gate, but this is the approach I feel are better for the creators, the fans and new readers wanting to jump in.
Of All Trades
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I feel that the Diggle run can be skipped entirely. Just get to the end of Brubaker, say "and then things got even worse, somehow", and move onto the Waid run.
Thanks for the list. I'm hoping that they're all collected.
DonasaurusRex
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Supermanisdead
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Don't read the Diggle run or anything related to Shadowland. Just skip from Brubaker to Waid.
BuddyJoeHooker
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I can understand the dislike for the Diggle run, but once you finish Brubakers you want to know what happens next. I guess you could also just read a plot summary...
Manos: The Hans of Fate
Banned
Oh yeah what should I buy? No, everything is not an option. lol
http://www.comixology.com/Thanos-Sale/comics-collection/653
http://www.comixology.com/Thanos-Sale/comics-collection/653
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I think "and then shit gets even WORSE SOMEHOW" Hour covers it. I think that was the biggest takeaway from Shadowland
Infinity Gauntlet is boss.
Supermanisdead
Member
I really believe that Diggle purposefully sabotaged Daredevil so that Marvel pet, Tchalla, could have good publicity for taking over that shit. I'm here exposing Marvel all day.
I remember being excited to see some Black Panther kicking ass, but it ended up being nothing special.
Supermanisdead
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Don't ever get excited for Bore Panther.
You just read a #1. You already started.
I hope everything you attempt crumbles and you never prosper in life and all the bad things there ever were happen only to you.
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krypt0nian
Banned
I hope everything you attempt crumbles and you never prosper in life and all the bad things there ever were happen only to you.
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I do like Panther in the Avengers cartoon. Hopefully he'll make the jump to the new series.
Please put him in the Marvel Movie Universe somewhere.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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including the entire diggle run but not the original frank miller run? What kind if madness is this.
Filthy Slug
Crowd screaming like hounds at the heat of the chase/ All the colors of the rainbow flood my face
..Speaking of the issue - I really don't like Eddy Barrows at all but did anyone get strong Norm Breyfogle vibes from that first image of the (ugly) Robin costume? Actually, that costume reminded me a lot of some of the designs in the old Brotherhood of the Bat elseworlds (I am showing my age here, I bet most of you kids don't remember it
Trevor McCarthy would be perfect for the series. Dude is incredibly talented and he works well with Higgins. Barrows is alright--nothing spectacular but never offensive.
Would be nice but everyone's already talking about 20+ issue runs. Avengers is going to be at least 63 issues, double shipping, half filler + New Avengers. Barf.
DonasaurusRex
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yeah but cyclops is an idiot for thinking he could get hope, or he himself could control the phoenix force. He already knows its too much , emma frost should know its too much but yet he persisted like a nut.
What has Dr. Strange been doing during AvX? It seems like most aspects of the Marvel Uni have been involved now. I mean, Cosmic Marvel had Epicfailnova, and EVERYBODY is an Avenger, so what's Dr. Strange been doing? And has anybody kept Franklin Richards as far from it as possible? Not that he NEEDS it, but the Phoenix does seem to like blonde psychics when it can't get redheads.
So like, is Dr. Strange just kinda getting stoned with Wong while all of this is going on?
Yeah I'll never really understand that. "Hey Scott, that thing that's driven two of your wives insane and scares your daughter and has also hijacked the body of your current lover is burning a path of devastation across the universe toward planet Earth less than four years after the Shi'ar royally failed to kill it. What are you going to do?"
"Even though the Phoenix has categorically resulted in the death of someone I love every time it has come to Earth, I'm now going to trust this little girl with it!/ Namor with it!/ A woman who has already proven incapable of handling it with it!/ Myself with it!/ NOT THE AVENGERS WITH IT!"
So like, is Dr. Strange just kinda getting stoned with Wong while all of this is going on?
Yeah I'll never really understand that. "Hey Scott, that thing that's driven two of your wives insane and scares your daughter and has also hijacked the body of your current lover is burning a path of devastation across the universe toward planet Earth less than four years after the Shi'ar royally failed to kill it. What are you going to do?"
"Even though the Phoenix has categorically resulted in the death of someone I love every time it has come to Earth, I'm now going to trust this little girl with it!/ Namor with it!/ A woman who has already proven incapable of handling it with it!/ Myself with it!/ NOT THE AVENGERS WITH IT!"
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Dr. Strange was in the earlier issues when he got beat by Magik. Plus he's right THERE behind Cyclops holding him down in the latest issue
Although I like the image that Strange walks around his pad like Anna Paquin in 25th Hour
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